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MartianDust
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in UFO's? Would like to know what your thoughts/ideas/opinions are. Guessing since most of you are scientists you'll be disbelievers.
I thought I saw something a very long time ago when I was around 7. I won't go into details but whatever it was amazed me. Less someone else here was in London, Shepperton around 23 odd yrs ago and saw something lol. :)
Anyway I saw this prog the other week about the Military making UFO's. Was very interesting and am more swayed to the fact that perhaps what I saw was from the Military. Who knows.
But I'd like to know what you peeps think on the whole subject and why Area 51 has such huge coverups whatever they are doing, alien or otherwise. :)
I thought I saw something a very long time ago when I was around 7. I won't go into details but whatever it was amazed me. Less someone else here was in London, Shepperton around 23 odd yrs ago and saw something lol. :)
Anyway I saw this prog the other week about the Military making UFO's. Was very interesting and am more swayed to the fact that perhaps what I saw was from the Military. Who knows.
But I'd like to know what you peeps think on the whole subject and why Area 51 has such huge coverups whatever they are doing, alien or otherwise. :)
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concider this: The military had SR-71 blackbirds during/shortly after WW2.
we KNOW about the Aurora, or Hypersonic plane. we know what it looks like, and that it's top speed is anywhere from mach 10 to 23.
if we KNOW about it, it's already old, and they have something better.
so who knows WHAT they have now.
I do believe that there are other inteligent life forms out there and are capable of interstaller travel. As for earth being the centre of attenion with them, I think thats bull shit.
[B]concider this: The military had SR-71 blackbirds during/shortly after WW2.[/b][/quote]
They did?
[quote][b]we KNOW about the Aurora, or Hypersonic plane. we know what it looks like, and that it's top speed is anywhere from mach 10 to 23. [/b][/quote]
We do?
[B]I think there are other life forms out there. but I don't think they came to earth.
concider this: The military had SR-71 blackbirds during/shortly after WW2.
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The SR-71 "Blackbird" was introduced in 1966...no where NEAR the 40s. :)
Every ufo sighting cant be aliens. Not even after dismissing the obvious fakes.
[B]The SR-71 "Blackbird" was introduced in 1966...no where NEAR the 40s. :) [/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's what I thought. Jet technology wasn't anywhere near ready to produce something like the Blackbird during WW2.
Do i believe in UFOs? I'm open to the idea, though most of the sightings are created by things from our planet (alcohol/drugs, military test vehicles, lightreflecting in wheatherballons,...)
Also, we've got to consider all the dimensions of our universe: time is, as near as we can tell, infinite, and the chances of two sentient lifeforms existing inside the same geometric dot on the timeline of the universe depend entirely on the above question.
I do not, however, believe in UFOs. I don't buy into the idea that a more advanced species would rather observe or manipulate us than meet us: I think that all sentient creatures would possess a desire for knowledge, or how else could they be considered sentient? I believe that any species capable of recognizing us as a fellow sentience (all my bases covered now, just in case the Buggers come :p) would make itself known to us.
[B]though most of the sightings are created by things from our planet (alcohol/drugs, military test vehicles, lightreflecting in wheatherballons,...) [/B][/QUOTE]
Or because of morning/evening star=Venus.
There are bacteries in cracks of bedrock even under couple kms under surface, and in geysirs whose water is hot and contains some "poisonous" compounds.
There are over 100 know exos and we are only able to find them from closest stars and we can't even find small earthlike planets yet so there might be lot of those.
But the real question is would any advanced race capable to interstellar travel want to contact us, we use all possible technologies to make killing of others "more efficient".
[B]But the real question is would any advanced race capable to interstellar travel want to contact us, we use all possible technologies to make killing of others "more efficient". [/B][/QUOTE]
What makes us think that we're unique in that aspect?
[B]What makes us think that we're unique in that aspect? [/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah, it would be consistent considering world situation that any civilization taking contact would want to conquer earth.
I believe in UFOs, because there are plenty of unidentified objects in our atmosphere all the time. A completely different question is whether or not those objects have extraterrestrial origin...
It is fairly certain that there is intelligent life outside our solar system, because they haven't made a public entrance yet.
As far as sentient life in the galaxy, sure I believe there is or was. but even if they have visited earth, I think their evaluation would be that of The Hitchhickers Guide: Mostly Harmless.
Jake
BTW: Speaking of extraterrestrial life, what ever happened with that a-typical signal that SETI picked up?
The SR71 Blackbird was decomissioned in the late 1980's right? Now think about that. Thats when it was decomission, it was a few years later when it was declassified. Aurora exists. People have seen it. Supposedly it has forward swept wings with variable geometry wings (meaning they move), supposedly it exceeds any current speed recors that we know of. And as that information is being slowly leaked and eventually declassified, think about this. If its declassified, what did they build to replace it?
Millitary technology is way ahead of what alot of people think they are. Just because its unidentified to us, doesnt mean someone out there doesnt know it exists.
You mean PUBLICLY released in '66. meaning, thats the date they say it was put into service. Now, do you really think they will tell us when a skunk works craft actually entered service?
I mean, how long has the Aurora been in active service? Officially, it doesn't even exist at this point. But the mear fact that we know it exist, says that they have something better allready, and just want us to think that the Aurora is the top dog.
Biggles: for speculative info on the Aurora, speculative because no official info exist, just use google for "Aurora+Hypersonic"
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by A2597 [/i]
[B]we KNOW about the Aurora, or Hypersonic plane. we know what it looks like, and that it's top speed is anywhere from mach 10 to 23.[/B][/QUOTE]
Speculative does not equal "we KNOW". As for being surprised if its top speed is mach 23, that's because travelling that fast inside an atmosphere either results in multiple very large fireballs (see Feb 1 2003 for more info) or requires very good heat shielding. Now, I'm not saying the US government doesn't secretly have very good heat shielding, but even then you still have problems for a secret military aircraft, especially one that is most likely a spy plane: your craft gets surrounded by much plasma that you can see from a long way away and makes your plane rather easy to detect.
Now, if it travelled outside the atmosphere, things would be different, but then you would have a space plane which would be a lot higher than a spy plane would really want to be (if you're going to go that high, why not just use satellites - they can stay up a lot longer). Things are also a lot less manouverable at that height and speed.
I would say that, as Freejack said, its top speed was probably much closer to mach 6.
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hehe cool what you done to that pic. Got the original on my door. :)
I think alot of ppl are arrognat in thinking we are the only ones in the Universe. And its scarey to think that we are.
I still hope they find some type of life on Mars.
About dimensions.......someone said to me once that they reckoned some UFO's that are unexplainable might be UFO's as in aliens from thousands of yrs ago before we were around or from the future which we created in and somehow these objects are stuck in a time loop or something.
I have read about photos and infact my Sis took one on a boat once where when developed appears to be a UFO yet she says she never saw anything there when she took the photo. I tried to get it analysed (sp)? by UFO experts and they said it could be a light hanging from the boat but I checked the same boat and nothing like that on there. So they ended up saying they weren't sure what it was!! They kept going on about did we fake it lol.
Now if the Military are making all UFO's as this prog stated, they even apparently bought in an actor guy to the press to make out that what the military were doing at the time wasn't them but aliens. Am surprised they'd go to so much trouble. So when the world went alien mad back in the 60's the military were relieved that the spotlight was off them. It was what they wanted the public to believe. And yeah I do believe they are way ahead in technology, but I still don't understand all the cover-up really.
I do believe there is something out there and would like to think they had visited here though god knows why. There are supposed alien abductions where they experiement on us, that actually makes sense when I think of what we would do if we found an alien race way behind us. Would we sit back and look or experiement as discreetly as possible?! I got no idea whether these accounts are true or not. But there's been so many that it can't be ignored.
And what if they had something to do with creating us?! Hey you never know! Because as far as I'm aware still, there is a missing DNA link from when we changed to humans. So perhaps they are checking up on us and cursing us lol. Ok I'll stop waffling now. :)
[B]hehe cool what you done to that pic. Got the original on my door. :)[/B][/QUOTE] I didn't do anything, another guy did that over seven or eight years ago.
My door is enhanced with an [url="http://blech-schilder.de/b516170.jpg"]Area 51 warning poster[/url]... :P
Today me my mom and my grandma were driving to the grave yard. And we passed these signs and one of them said "If you believe in UFO's, Vote Liberal"
I'm going to take a picture of it on monday.
[B]This is funny....
Today me my mom and my grandma were driving to the grave yard. And we passed these signs and one of them said "If you believe in UFO's, Vote Liberal"
I'm going to take a picture of it on monday. [/B][/QUOTE]
I'm struggling to understand what UFOs and liberal parties have in common. :D
[B]I'm struggling to understand what UFOs and liberal parties have in common. :D [/B][/QUOTE]
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[B]I think there are other life forms out there. but I don't think they came to earth.
concider this: The military had SR-71 blackbirds during/shortly after WW2.
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Its time to hit you with a stick A#. :D
This is probably the most dumb thing you have ever said :D
I know your rejoinders but your forgetting that Kelly Johnson's papers on project ARCHANGEL have been declasified, there is a book out by one of the "Sled Drivers" which detials alot and hell the Airforce declaisified the flight manual for the bird, with the only section being redacted out that is that on the synthetic apature radar system!
The first A-12 (a early variant of the craft that would become the SR-71) flew in 1962. The first SR-71 flew in 1964 5 months AFTER LBJ publicly revealed the existsance of project.
[B]I'm struggling to understand what UFOs and liberal parties have in common. :D [/B][/QUOTE]
More intelligence than other side?
[B]or maybe the liberals ARE ALIENS! ITS ALL A CONSPIRACY TO HAD THE WORLD OVER TO THE EVIL TYRANICAL LIZARD OVERLORDS!!! [/B][/QUOTE]
I, for one, welcome our new EVIL TYRANICAL LIZARD OVERLORDS.
[B]I, for one, welcome our new EVIL TYRANICAL LIZARD OVERLORDS. [/B][/QUOTE]
So do I