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The sad tale of Londo and Lyta
Rogue Fury 4
Earthforce Officer
in Babylon 5
Thoughout the Babylon 5 series, there are few others than Londo and Lyta that just don't have the best luck. Sure they saved the galaxy and altered the course of many worlds but...
Londo, by the time he was emporer had lost everything he ever wished for, including free will, despite his loyal intensions and his many accomplishments he and his world are under a yolk.
Lyta, is used without thanks many many times, abused my the Vorlons and neglected by the B5 higher ups, she lived a life of sadness and punishment... perhaps someting good came out of her 'retreat' with G'Kar?
[SIZE=1]Sorry if the books tell us more about these events/people, I have not had the opportunity to read them. [/SIZE]But if they say something abouth this topic, post it ;)
Londo, by the time he was emporer had lost everything he ever wished for, including free will, despite his loyal intensions and his many accomplishments he and his world are under a yolk.
Lyta, is used without thanks many many times, abused my the Vorlons and neglected by the B5 higher ups, she lived a life of sadness and punishment... perhaps someting good came out of her 'retreat' with G'Kar?
[SIZE=1]Sorry if the books tell us more about these events/people, I have not had the opportunity to read them. [/SIZE]But if they say something abouth this topic, post it ;)
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Unfortunately, I haven't gotten around to reading the Centauri trilogy just yet.
No definitive answer about Lennier that I can quote, but it was mentioned in the (first) final episode that he redeemed himself in saving David Sheridan from the keeper Londo hid in the urn.
[B]No definitive answer about Lennier that I can quote, but it was mentioned in the (first) final episode that he redeemed himself in saving David Sheridan from the keeper Londo hid in the urn. [/B][/QUOTE]
That never happened.
The last Centauri Prime novel tells exactly what happened with David Sheridan II and his keeper, and Lennier was no where to be seen.
Now, there are two episodes that tell us a little about what happened to Lennier after the show ended.
In [i]Day of the Dead[/i], Morden told Lennier that he would betray the Rangers (which he did) and know about the afterlife "soon enough".
In [i]Sleeping in Light[/i], Delenn toasts Lennier as one of the dearly departed. Given how she reacted when he was lost in that Minbari fighter with the poorly designed oxygen reclamation system ("He's not dead until I see a body"), I'm guessing that he died in such a way that she knew about it, and wasn't knifed playing poker in a seedy bar on Praxis IX.
Sometimes our memmories are alittle rusty... that why we have David and Biggles :)
I will oneday get the books, they sound like a great read.
later :)
Even at the end of the series, you could look into his eyes and KNOW that, if given a chance, he would make the same choices all over again. Yea, on some level I feel sorry for him, but I was glad to see him finially pay for his crimes at the end of the Centauri Trilogy.
Jake
And as for putting the keeper to sleep, while it was the right choice, I think he made it for the wrong reasons. He did not do it for Sheridan or Delenn, he did it because it was the single oppurtunity he had to free his people, but more importantly, he did it for himself. Lady Morella told him that he would have one final chance to avoid going to hell, and that he would have to sacrifice himself to free Sheridan. I think that is the main reason he helped them escape.
[B]I don't know, I got something totally different from londo's expression when he was watching the Narn homeworld being bombed. Yes it was wrong, and yes he hated it, but standing there and watching it made him realize just how much of a monster he had become. Londo liked to believe that there was nothing he could do to stop it, but as G'Kar later told him, that doesn't matter. He should have [I]tried[/I].
And as for putting the keeper to sleep, while it was the right choice, I think he made it for the wrong reasons. He did not do it for Sheridan or Delenn, he did it because it was the single oppurtunity he had to free his people, but more importantly, he did it for himself. Lady Morella told him that he would have one final chance to avoid going to hell, and that he would have to sacrifice himself to free Sheridan. I think that is the main reason he helped them escape. [/B][/QUOTE]
Hell? She never said anything about hell she said he would have three chances to change his fate. Lando let them go because he could why would (The real Lando) want to kill Sheridan & Delenn. He found a way to disable the keeper (alchol) & was able to do it long enough for Sheridan & Delenn to leave & for Gkar to kill him. (to prevent him from killing sheridan & delenn.) I think all in all Lando knew at that point he was goin to hell anyway.
I don't think Londo got G'Kar to kill him so he wouldn't kill Sheridan and Delenn. It was more because he knew that the Drakh were losing their hold on his world, and if he was gone they'd lose it completely.
I must admit, I felt somewhat sorry for him in the show, but after the Centauri Trilagy...
Poor guy! Definately the saddest of the charectors. :(
[B]You can't fit in a weekend. It's over 77 hours long. :) [/B][/QUOTE]
then watch it in double-speed ;)
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Read [U]The Shadow Within[/U]. He was hardly an evil person before serving the Shadows. Not to mention, given the circumstances in which he chose to serve them (don't want to spoil too much), I would probably have done the same thing.
Now, whether his personality was adjusted after he chose to serve, or if he just got into it later, it's hard to say
[quote]Hey how about how much he enjoyed telling Lennier he woud betray the Rangers.[/quote]
Well, he got dragged all the way from death only to be forced to spend his short repreive from the grave with a prissy Minbari who refused to listen to him. I'd probably want to rub any future disasters in his face, too.
[B]Of all the characters, I feel most sorry for Lando for ending up in the B5 universe. [/B][/QUOTE]
LMFAO STFU.
Exactly! I always thought myself to be a lot like Morden when you got down to the core of it. He was a very interesting character, hardly as single minded and evil as most think him to be. It's there, it's just very, very hard to see. The books definitely help.
We MD people think alike :P
[B]He was a very interesting character, hardly as single minded and evil as most think him to be. It's there, it's just very, very hard to see. The books definitely help.[/B][/QUOTE]
Morden himself said he wasn't an evil person in "Day of the Dead" if I recall, and I'd have to agree.
Morden was never truely "evil", a term which has always been objective to different people and different races, something increased tenfold by the B5 universe. No one person can therefore be "evil" if people's perceptions of it are different. Even if he was "evil", Morden would have to have stuck to a belief system that was evil, but as we saw, he and the Shadows sold-out many of his equally "evil" parners.
Morden was "amoral". He didn't care about the morals and values of any race unless his masters got what they wanted. Morden just as equally helped League Members during the Shadow war who could have been percieved as good, and at Z'Ha'Dum, Morden offered Sheridan, a generally nice guy an Alliance with the Shadows.
In addition evil as we know it doesn't really have material cause. Morden and the Shadows wanted something real and tangible; followers and victory over the Vorlons.
Morden and the Shadows were portrayed as evil because they only cared about thier own ajendas, (And having ships that looked like big black spiders didn't help, either!) which can be more accurately described as being selfish or amoral.
Just my two credits.
Regards,
Morden
[B]Selfishness is most often referred (or portrayed as) evil in movies and books. Its a trait I would rather we rid ourselves of. But on the point of selfish people [i]being[/i] evil, well, thats a totally different thing, that I myself cannot judge (nor anyone else I think). [/B][/QUOTE]
Indeed selifishness is an undesirable trait in most cases, but it shouldn't be portrayed as evil.
What's more, you can argue forever about what is "evil", the phrase itself originates from religion, and do all religions [i]agree[/i] with eachother's philosophies?
Regards,
Morden