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Admirals' shoulder strap

Andy La RubinAndy La Rubin Earthforce Officer
in Babylon 5
As anyone knows, there were no Admirals on screen in all B5 series. But we also know, that there were Admirals in B5 universe (they were mentioned more than once, and John Copeland specificly states the difference between Generals and Admirals at one occasion). And we also know, that Admirals were set to appear on screen in ITF. For example, Admiral Hudgins: ;)

[IMG]http://www.waynealexander.com/auto/pics/alex25.jpg[/IMG]

So, the question is: can anyone decipher from this photo (or from any other available source) what this shouldes strap looks like?


More questions about Generals: can anyone count number of stars and bars on their shoulder straps as well? Because there are controversial observations on this matter. Specifically:

General Netter (Survivors) - 5 stars in circle
General Miller (Eyes) - 5 stars in circle
General Hauge (PoD, AAITN) - 5 stars in circle
General Franklin (GROPOS) - ?
Lt. General O'Reilly (PONR) - ?
General Smits (PONR) - ?
General Lefcourt (ITB) - ?
General Fontaine (ITB) - ?
General Lefcourt (Endgame) - ?
General Ivanova (Sleeping) - ?

And if someone knows any other generals....
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Comments

  • Andy La RubinAndy La Rubin Earthforce Officer
    What we've got so far:

    General Franklin - 2 stars (2 bars)
    General Fontaine - 3 stars (1 bar)
    General Lefcourt (ITB) - 1 star (1 bar)

    And two more generals are discovered:

    General Thompson (Patterns of the Soul) - ?
    General Yuri Mikhailovich Denisov (A Call To Arms) - ?
  • CurZCurZ Resident Hippy
    Sounds very strange to have both admirals and generals in the same service.
  • Rogue TraderRogue Trader Somebody stop him...
    its a different type of military DUH!
  • Andy La RubinAndy La Rubin Earthforce Officer
    John Copeland said: "Note on Admirals and Generals - they are of equal standing, however Admirals are fleet commanders. Generals tend to be involved still on the tactical level. "
  • CurZCurZ Resident Hippy
    [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Rogue Trader [/i]
    [B]its a different type of military DUH! [/B][/QUOTE]

    Well, "DUH", but it still sounds strange to me.
  • Alpha-1Alpha-1 Elite Ranger Germany
    will check my b5 mags about it. there is a mention in it about shooting fot itf with some photos.

    edit: check your email @ larubin

    edit again: look here [url]http://board.theplace2be.de/misc.php?action=faq1&sid=3fc40538fe3207d8a7ecac6fc6549471#9[/url]
  • Rogue TraderRogue Trader Somebody stop him...
    [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by CurZ [/i]
    [B]Well, "DUH", but it still sounds strange to me. [/B][/QUOTE]

    well DUH it sounds strange DUH!
  • CurZCurZ Resident Hippy
    [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Rogue Trader [/i]
    [B]well DUH it sounds strange DUH! [/B][/QUOTE]

    Well DOUBLE-DUH it sounds strange TRIPLE-DUH DUH! :D
  • MessiahMessiah Failed Experiment
    The way it works here in Sweden is that Admirals are Generals in the Navy. Generals only exist in the airforce or ground forces.
  • CurZCurZ Resident Hippy
    As it is in most, if not all military forces. The thing is, even given the fact that Earth Force is a different kind of military, we've seen generals as ship and fleet commanders and we've seen generals as troop commanders. Where are admirals supposed to belong? If they're on the same level as generals rank-wise, they seem redundant.
  • Andy La RubinAndy La Rubin Earthforce Officer
    [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by CurZ [/i]
    [B]we've seen generals as ship and fleet commanders[/B][/QUOTE]

    We haven't seen generals as fleet commanders, actually. The only exception was Gen. Lefcourt (Endgame) in command of EF destoyer group near Mars, but it was deliberate choice since he was familiar with Sheridan's tactics.
  • CurZCurZ Resident Hippy
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there a captain (captain Hall) in command of the fleet at Proxima 3? Another captain in charge of the fleet attacking B5 in Severed Dreams?

    It's been a while since I last watched through the eps so my memory might be betraying me.
  • Sergei SSergei S Earthforce Officer
    [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Andy La Rubin[/i]
    [B]The only exception was Gen. Lefcourt (Endgame) in command of EF destoyer group near Mars[/B][/QUOTE]
    Also, probably General Denisov in ACtA ;)


    [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by CurZ [/i]
    [B]Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there a captain...[/B][/QUOTE]
    Captain - yes, but not General...
  • CurZCurZ Resident Hippy
    [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Sergei S [/i]
    [b]Captain - yes, but not General... [/b][/QUOTE]

    If a Captain is qualified to command a fleet, why not a General? ;)
  • Sergei SSergei S Earthforce Officer
    It's not the question of whether Generals are qualified to command a fleet or not.
    It's the question of whether we saw one commanding a fleet in the series or not. ;)
  • CurZCurZ Resident Hippy
    [b]You can't handle the truth![/b] :mad:

    Anyway, I was talking about the redundancy of the admiral rank.
  • MessiahMessiah Failed Experiment
    Shouldnt the developers of ITF know anything about this? Randy, Jack, anything?
  • OmegaPaladinOmegaPaladin Earthforce Officer
    Also, the leader of the "Advanced Destroyer Group" was a Captain, iirc.

    By the way, isn't it funny that no ship names are given for the Adv. Omegas, just a fleet title?
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    They probably had names that could only be pronounced by shadows.
  • OmegaPaladinOmegaPaladin Earthforce Officer
    hmm...

    [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Biggles [/i]
    [B]They probably had names that could only be pronounced by shadows. [/B][/QUOTE]

    Must have confusing to the commander...

    "This is the EAS [i]Whatchamacallit[/i] to the EAS [i]Name Unknown[/i]. Move off the port side of the EAS [i]_____[/i]."
  • MessiahMessiah Failed Experiment
    LOL!
  • CurZCurZ Resident Hippy
    They probably had a shadow on the bridge of every ship to pronounce the names when the captains needed them to.

    "This is the EAS.."

    *rings a small bell*

    *shadow creature says the name*

    "..right, get ready to attack!"
  • OmegaPaladinOmegaPaladin Earthforce Officer
    [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by CurZ [/i]
    [B]They probably had a shadow on the bridge of every ship to pronounce the names when the captains needed them to.

    "This is the EAS.."

    *rings a small bell*

    *shadow creature says the name*

    "..right, get ready to attack!" [/B][/QUOTE]

    ROTFL! :shadow1:

    Speaking of the bridge, just imagine what it would look like! :eek:
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    "Ow! Damn spikes!"
  • OmegaPaladinOmegaPaladin Earthforce Officer
    [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Biggles [/i]
    [B]"Ow! Damn spikes!" [/B][/QUOTE]

    :D

    It really would have been cool to see the guy's face with a bridge in the background.
  • Morden279Morden279 Genius
    [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by OmegaPaladin [/i]
    [B]By the way, isn't it funny that no ship names are given for the Adv. Omegas, just a fleet title? [/B][/QUOTE]

    The guys from "The Babylon 5 Tech Manual" call them the "Omega-X". It's cool name that's always been used when describing the advanced destroyers.

    Regards,
    Morden
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    He meant individual ship names.
  • Morden279Morden279 Genius
    [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Biggles [/i]
    [B]He meant individual ship names. [/B][/QUOTE]

    Individual names?

    I'm positive I have a text file with all the names of the ships in the Omega-X battlegroup upstairs. Again, I think this was from the B5 Tech Manual.

    Of note, the most popular Omega-X name seems to be "Archonon" when it comes to CGI artists rendering pics of the ships themselves.

    Aha, here it is. (Although "Archonon" isn't on the list.)

    Regards,
    Morden
  • OmegaPaladinOmegaPaladin Earthforce Officer
    Did they cite the source for the O-X names?
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    My memory is hazy, but I thought there were only 6 of them.
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