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So far, the effects seem a bit below the b5 standard, but the models themselves are really nice.
The lighting in those council scenes is just a bit too bright, and the scene as a whole just low in contrast.
Will post more later.
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Eh. I'll continue watching [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
Boy, I like that flying brick [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
I really have to get used to the camera. it's different from B5. I think I can very easily grow to like it!
So Far I like what I see.....
The Jumpgates and Hyperspace views are lacking....
They should have used the Crusade/Call to Arms visual style...
But....I still like what I see....
The only bad thing about the effects that I noticed was the texture symmetry in the jump-point effect. You can see a seam where the textures are mirrored. Other than that, no complaints.
G'Kar's attitude is more laid back, probably due to his extended association with humans.
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[b]I think the effects are quite a lot better than the original series effects. The comet effects were great, and the ships are very nice.
The only bad thing about the effects that I noticed was the texture symmetry in the jump-point effect. You can see a seam where the textures are mirrored. Other than that, no complaints.
G'Kar's attitude is more laid back, probably due to his extended association with humans.
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My only problem with the Jumpgate, is they create a discontinuity between B5, LOTR and Crusade, since B5/Crusade use one style, and the show thats between them uses another.
SPOILER (just in case you haven't seen it)
What happened to Lyta?!? "She's gone now" Gone where?
I LOVED the final shot. of course once they said "nearing epsilon jumpoint" you knew where they were going.
Overall, i liked it, I expected a bit more, But thinking back, watch The Gathering, it wasn't that good, but the show blossomed over time, as this will if it goes into a series.
And by the dialogue at the end, it sure seems that it will.
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It kinda reminded me of the I War Dreadnaught with it's shape and ghost crew.
I LOVE the nebulas and the music, the effects were OK, with the exception of the one ship getting hit twice and losing engions, weapons, everything, and then being hit 20 times and no visable damage.
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[b] My only problem with the Jumpgate, is they create a discontinuity between B5, LOTR and Crusade, since B5/Crusade use one style, and the show thats between them uses another.
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The easiest way to look at that is that the show is an interpretation of the B5 universe... as the technology advances, the interpretation gets more and more accurate.
I mean look at the new Enterprise series. They didn't go back to using cheap wooden and cardboard sets so the show looked like pre-Original Series Trek...
[quote]They forgot the planet, Epsilon 3...[/quote]
B5 is quite far from Epsilon 3. It wouldn't be too difficult to get a shot of B5 without the planet in the background. In fact, it happened quite a few times in the original series.
[b] B5 is quite far from Epsilon 3. It wouldn't be too difficult to get a shot of B5 without the planet in the background. In fact, it happened quite a few times in the original series.[/b][/quote]
Thats a very good point (the coralation to enterprise) I guess i hadn't thought of it that way.
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How.........weird.
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I'm rather sadenned that hyperspace was changed. I much preffered the old style. It didn't seem so distracting.
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OK, Movie over. Time for a short review
I'm rather disappointed. THe overall quality let me down. I mean, the enemies were poor, the directing was rather bad at times, and the lighting was bugging me.
The dialogue was often poor at times. In some cases, it was just outright dumb or pointless. In a few scenes (most with interaction between David and Dulann), the dialogue was good or great, but the other characters seemed to be ignored.
The music was absolutely great, as was the sound and video editing, but it just lacked something to really keep me interested.
All of the actors show a great ability to act, and appear to have great talent, but this is never once harnessed. Instead, it is put away in one of the many closets described by the crew.
The traitor in this episode was so painfully obvious. There was no subtle introduction of any sorts. It was just
And "The Hand"?! That really got to me. It was a horrible simple name. At least "the Shadows" seemed interesting and evil. "The Hand" sounds like nothing of the sort. It provokes no feeling whatsoever. The name aside, the fact that another "Firstone" race just appears out of nowhere, having claimed "Thousands of planets" is just wrong to me. Lorien took the firstones off beyond the rim, leaving the younger races free to grow on their own, with no interference. Again, a contradiction to b5 canon.
THe Character of G'Kar seems very overused for the show. He apears almost everywhere that he should not be. He began to irritate me. And why is the Malcolm character always going around with his Holosuit(Strikingly similar to the horribly expensive and rare changeling net) and showing it to so many?
Tirk is just another bad character, it seems. How can one such as him become a ranger? If I remember correctly, one must have great mental [b]and[/b] physical strength to become one. This guy lacked the former, but made up for it with the latter. It just seems wrong.
Back to the visuals we go! I don't see such a need for so many holographic interfaces on a ship like that. Why must a low-quality holgoraphic interface be used where a monitor could clearly perform the task better? True, it does look more advanced, but this is taking place before crusade, and the ship is supposedly over 20 years old. This really isn't a huge problem, but it nags me. (as do most small things [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/vsml.gif[/img]) The visual effects have improved in most scenes from the early ones. They look rather nice now. Lighting is much better, and the ships don't look like they are made of a saran-wrap, like they did in the beginning.
In Short, The Plot was very predictable, characters were ignored, dialogue was bland. The audio was great, and the cast show amazing promise. If they can be developed, I'll instantly drop my issues with the visual and quality fo the show. All that's left is the plot. If the storytelling could be improved, the show can become a real success.
P.S.: Why are the Maintbots so big? IIRC, they were just over 3.5 meters, as seen in Thirdspace. Using that scale, the people could never fit onto that ship. It just seems...eh.
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i liked it. I like the new jump effects, although i dont like the new hyperspace. it just seems to be 2d.
question: right when i saw the ship in the jumpgate i thought "hmmm bone head manuever." why didnt they just open the jumpgate on the ship making it go "BOOM"?
[b]Anyone else spot the backwards flying Nials in the take-off scene?
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I noticed that, and was very much bugged by it.
In the movie, that minister said that the races serving "The Hand" were helping to pave the way for their return. That could mean someone opened up a gate or opened up a small portal of some sort.
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Well, except for that mirror effect...other than that. =)
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The answer to this is obvious, an "evil" firstone race who passed beyond wiht Lorien, has come back now that there are no other first ones to prevent them from taking over...
"(Strikingly similar to the horribly expensive and rare changeling net)"
I mentioned the exact same thing to my wife, but remember, this is several years after the gathering (7 i think) so the technology could have advanced to a level where its not so expensive or rare.
All in all, i think that this movie, viewed as a pilot is no better or worse than the Gathering was. If you put me in front of The Gathering, and told me that the series that came from it would be as good as B5 became, I wouldn't belive you.
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[b]yeah but anyway back to me [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img] why not just open the gate on the ship blowing it to tiny pieces?[/b][/quote]
A very good question, maybe the ship wasn't actually inside the gate, just in front of it, far enough so that opening the gate wouldn't have done anything, but close enough to keep them from getting around and into the jumpgate.
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[b]yeah but anyway back to me [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img] why not just open the gate on the ship blowing it to tiny pieces?[/b][/quote]
I don't think ships can control a jumpgate from long distances. B5 can control the Epsilon Jumpgate, but that's different.