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What might have been?

OK, I've asked something like this before, and been told that JMS refuses to give out much information about what B5 might have been, all the various ideas he'd had over the decade or two since it's original conception. What I'd like to know now is, what do we ALREADY know? Ideas, theories? What has JMS already said about his original plans?

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  • JackNJackN <font color=#99FF99>Lightwave Alien</font>
    [quote]Originally posted by ZOmegaZ:
    [b]OK, I've asked something like this before, and been told that JMS refuses to give out much information about what B5 might have been, all the various ideas he'd had over the decade or two since it's original conception. What I'd like to know now is, what do we ALREADY know? Ideas, theories? What has JMS already said about his original plans?[/b][/quote]

    Watch the series over... There's no room here... [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
  • samuelksamuelk The Unstoppable Mr. 'K'
    Let it go.... enjoy the series for what it is.... time to put this topic to rest...
  • Entil'ZhaEntil'Zha I see famous people
    [quote]Originally posted by samuelk:
    [b]Let it go.... enjoy the series for what it is.... time to put this topic to rest...[/b][/quote]

    The only regret i have about what B5 "MIGHT" have been, is if they had been guarenteed the 5 seasons,

    If they had, then the Shadow War would have gone on for the rest of season 4, and the war with earthforce would have been with season 5, I think everything that is currently in Season 5 would have been there, but would not have been the main focus of the episodes, Kind of like the Episode TKO, You had the main story of the Mutai, But there was also the story of Ivanova sitting shiva (which was the better of the 2 stories).

    I think that since they didn't know if they were geting the 5th season, they had to rush to finish the shadow war, and finish the story arc with earth, which could have been made longer and fuller if they had not had to rush to finish. (and if they KNEW they had the 5 years, they might have had 5 year contracts and we'd never have lost CC, she was my favorite character, she's russian, she's a jew, and she's damn cute, whats not to love? heh)




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  • samuelksamuelk The Unstoppable Mr. 'K'
    [quote](and if they KNEW they had the 5 years, they might have had 5 year contracts and we'd never have lost CC....)[/quote]

    That never happens. Even network shows like "Friends" are renewed on a season-by-season basis.

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  • Random ChaosRandom Chaos Actually Carefully-selected Order in disguise
    Star Gate SG1 was guarenteed 5 years in their original contract.
  • -Marty--Marty- Earthforce Officer
    No, they were guarranteed 2 seasons.
    Even that is unusual. Like others said, generally its season by season.
    sg1 got 2 seasons from the beginning, then season by season probably(don'T know that)
  • samuelksamuelk The Unstoppable Mr. 'K'
    And even if a show is "guaranteed" more than one season, that doesn't mean that the show WILL have that many seasons.

    Contracts are more flexible than you'd think. There are always "outs" for either party (the network AND the people who produce the show).
  • Entil'ZhaEntil'Zha I see famous people
    [quote]Originally posted by samuelk:
    [b] That never happens. Even network shows like "Friends" are renewed on a season-by-season basis.

    [This message has been edited by samuelk (edited 11-16-2002).][/b][/quote]

    Thats not always true, look at ER, 2 years ago the were picked up until 2005, So it does happen. Just not that often, and usually only with a successful show that is many years into its run.

    But let me rephrase my origional statement.

    If at the end of season 3, they knew they were getting the last 2. it would have changed everything



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  • Rogue TraderRogue Trader Somebody stop him...
    Thats ER. which at the time was the highest rated show on tv, getting something like 30-40 million people a week watching it.

    Babylon 5 is a cult science fiction show. No matter how great it is it will stay that way.

    And i say to hell with anyone who hates the fifth season [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
  • ArgoneArgone Genuine Klingon
    I thought the 5th season was one, if not the best! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/tongue.gif[/img]

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  • JackNJackN <font color=#99FF99>Lightwave Alien</font>
    I liked the dynamics of season 3 and 4. Season 5 was the clean up season.

    [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
  • ArgoneArgone Genuine Klingon
    So many good stories could have come from B5

    Crying shame to let them all go to waste! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/frown.gif[/img]

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  • Babylon6Babylon6 Earthforce Officer
    A poignant example of taking a greater than one year contract for granted is Farscape.

    It was renewed for 2 years then pulled after the first year of the renewal. On the plus side we dont have to wonder what the story woulda been, as we are seeing it now. Trouble is we don't get to see how it ends. Not unless it is picked up...

    [This message has been edited by Babylon6 (edited 11-17-2002).]
  • I just have to wonder with the sales of B5 DVD, if any studio might look again at Crusade and see if it is possible to bring it back.

    *It is only a dream but a nice one at that*
  • Entil'ZhaEntil'Zha I see famous people
    [quote] JMS wrote the show to run 5 years only, so we saw all he had wanted to tell in that span. Love it for what it is...The greatest Sci-Fi TV series ever!!!

    [/B][/quote]

    Thats not an entirely true statement, Yes, it was designed to run 5 years, but the 5 year story had to change when they were not sure if they were getting year 5.

    And other changes were made along the way (sinclair leaving, Ivonava leaving etc..)



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  • Babylon 5 is the greatest epic to ever come to TV. It's story is now set in stone.

    The show was as radical an idea as the station itself- to try something that had never been attempted before, that many thought would fail. It succeeded.
  • JackNJackN <font color=#99FF99>Lightwave Alien</font>
    So... For the first time in months, I had a chance to sit down and watch Babylon 5 on SciFi today... and what episode do you think they showed?

    TKO

    Ahhhhg! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/frown.gif[/img]
  • cornholio1980cornholio1980 Earthforce Officer
    [quote]Originally posted by Entil'Zha:
    [b] If they had, then the Shadow War would have gone on for the rest of season 4, and the war with earthforce would have been with season 5 [/b][/quote] Didn't JMS say once that he would have ended season 4 with the episode "Intersections in real time"? So actually, it seems that the Shadow War would not have taken that much longer in season 4, and that it was rather the Civil War with Earth that got a little "cut down" from the original storyline...

    FAITH MANAGES
    cornholio1980
  • BekennBekenn Sinclair's Duck
    The Shadow war ended right where it was supposed to; it was only the latter half of the season that got compressed.

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  • Entil'ZhaEntil'Zha I see famous people
    [quote]Originally posted by cornholio1980:
    [b] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Entil'Zha:
    [b] If they had, then the Shadow War would have gone on for the rest of season 4, and the war with earthforce would have been with season 5 [/b][/quote] Didn't JMS say once that he would have ended season 4 with the episode "Intersections in real time"? So actually, it seems that the Shadow War would not have taken that much longer in season 4, and that it was rather the Civil War with Earth that got a little "cut down" from the original storyline...

    FAITH MANAGES
    cornholio1980[/B][/QUOTE]


    Right, the civil war got cut down by a lot. Everythign that was in season 5, was (as far as i know) supposed to be told, But the earth civil war would have taken longer.
  • Entil'ZhaEntil'Zha I see famous people
    [quote]Originally posted by JackN:
    [b]So... For the first time in months, I had a chance to sit down and watch Babylon 5 on SciFi today... and what episode do you think they showed?

    TKO

    Ahhhhg! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/frown.gif[/img][/b][/quote]


    See i like half of TKO, I like the whole bit with Susan and her Rabbi (maybe cause i'm a russian jew) but the Mutai i could do without.




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  • JackNJackN <font color=#99FF99>Lightwave Alien</font>
    [quote]Originally posted by Entil'Zha:
    [b]
    See i like half of TKO, I like the whole bit with Susan and her Rabbi (maybe cause i'm a russian jew) but the Mutai i could do without.

    [/b][/quote]

    Today's episode had the Feeder in the Vorlon encounter suit... [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
  • Rogue TraderRogue Trader Somebody stop him...
    its because of that that the first season rules hard. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
  • Entil'ZhaEntil'Zha I see famous people
    [quote]Originally posted by JackN:
    [b] Today's episode had the Feeder in the Vorlon encounter suit... [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img][/b][/quote]

    Heh, The Feeder was kinda cool, So was Jinxo. its too bad that he never came back later in the series.
  • JackNJackN <font color=#99FF99>Lightwave Alien</font>
    [quote]Originally posted by Entil'Zha:
    [b] Heh, The Feeder was kinda cool, So was Jinxo. its too bad that he never came back later in the series.

    [/b][/quote]


    I think the message was that we won't find the Grail for about a Million years (like that episode in Season 5 where we see humans like the Vorlons are today).

    Our long crawl has many years ahead of it... [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]
  • Entil'ZhaEntil'Zha I see famous people
    [quote]Originally posted by JackN:
    [b]
    I think the message was that we won't find the Grail for about a Million years (like that episode in Season 5 where we see humans like the Vorlons are today).

    Our long crawl has many years ahead of it... [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img][/b][/quote]


    Unless you are Jason Ironheart.
  • You know, I think you miss the point about the B5.

    It has a beginning, and it has an end.

    It shows you what little worms we can become, if left with our own vices. You know the episode 500 years in the future, were earth tries to succede from the Alliance.

    At least its not like StarTrek, scheesh, they change the storyline everytime or anytime they like. No Continuity (sp?)whatsoever.

    Thats what happens when someone else gets ahold of your vision.

    At least with B5, you know whats ahead and what to look forward too.

    (edit) Can not type for @%*!

    [This message has been edited by Elu Venius (edited 11-21-2002).]
  • Falcon1Falcon1 Elite Ranger
    With Season 5, some hate it, some love it. I enjoyed it but I always watched it with a feeling of forboding... I always knew it would end. And it did end, but in the best way possible.

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  • Entil'ZhaEntil'Zha I see famous people
    [quote]Originally posted by Falcon1:
    [b]With Season 5, some hate it, some love it. I enjoyed it but I always watched it with a feeling of forboding... I always knew it would end. And it did end, but in the best way possible.

    [/b][/quote]


    I didn't dislike Season 5, I just thought that seasons 2-4 were much better.




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