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Anyone else notice this during In The Begining?

I was watching In The Beginning again a few minutes ago, and I noticed something that I had never seen before. As Londo is reminiscing about the war, there is a shot of a 'fury exploding which then fades to Londo's face. If you look really closely, just as the fury's explosion fades, for one single frame there is some text about the graphic overlaid on Londo’s face.

You have to look really closely to catch it, since it is there for only about 1/30th of a second. I must have seen the movie 15 times by now, but I've never noticed this before. After a little playing around, I was able to get a screen capture of it.

[url="http://planetx.bloomu.edu/~esbeck/BABYLON_5_IN_THE_BEGINNING%20-%20(01hr%2011min%2047sec)%20-%2001.jpg"]http://planetx.bloomu.edu/~esbeck/BABYLON_5_IN_THE_BEGINNING%20-%20(01hr%2011min%2047sec)%20-%2001.jpg[/url]

Specifically, it is at 1 hour, 11 minutes and 47 seconds. Has anyone seen this before?
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  • Vertigo1Vertigo1 Official Fuzzy Dice of FirstOnes.com
    SUBLIMINAL MESSAGING BY TNT!

    RUN!!!!

    [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/tongue.gif[/img]

    Seriously, I've never noticed it before. However, if you watch the CGI of the initial attack, you'll notice that there were EA Omegas in the task force! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img] Thats definitely a big screw-up since Omegas weren't even in production back then. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/tongue.gif[/img]

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  • Random ChaosRandom Chaos Actually Carefully-selected Order in disguise
    neat...haven't notived it before...

    PURPLE!!!
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    I wonder what it says.

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    "Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
  • Mr. FuryMr. Fury Earthforce Officer
    The text says:

    Babylon 5
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    SHOT ID:IB191-FIN
    FRAME: 90
    ANIM: HH
    DATE:9/22/97
    DESC:STARFURY ONE
    HIT & DESTROY

    If there's something else, I can't make it out. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/tongue.gif[/img]

    As RubberEagle said in his message below, there indeed was something I couldn't figure out. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/tongue.gif[/img]

    [This message has been edited by Mr. Fury (edited 11-04-2002).]
  • RubberEagleRubberEagle What's a rubber eagle used for, anyway?
    ok, in the desc it says:
    STARFURY ONE AFTER
    Hit & DESTROY
    (that's an &, in a funny font)
    There's something after AFTER that looks like "FLIER" or something in the end
    Also, in the ID, i think it says FINI or FIN1
  • Sergei SSergei S Earthforce Officer
    Before the "Babylon 5" (in the upper left corner) there is also the [b]NDEI[/b] logo. Actualy the upper part looks something like
    this:

    [NDEI logo] Babylon 5 CGI [Babylon 5 Logo]

    Funny, never noticed it before [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]

    [This message has been edited by Sergei S (edited 11-04-2002).]
  • Random ChaosRandom Chaos Actually Carefully-selected Order in disguise
    Can you post the previous frame to it? I want to do some image manipulation to try and get it to look better...but I need a reference frame.
  • Random ChaosRandom Chaos Actually Carefully-selected Order in disguise
    After carefully looking this thing over,

    It says: HIT & DESTROYED

    Not "Hit & Destroy"

    And I think there are words after STARFURY ONE. This is all I can make out though:

    AFTER?????ER?

    May be: AFTER IMAGERY, but I can't tell, could also be AFTER FLIER. I'm not sure if there is a letter after the R or not. If there is, it is definately a Y though.

    I also believe that the SHOT ID is IB-191-FINI?? possibly FINISH

    Also, there are words below the NDEI name part of their logo. I can't see the B5 logo that Sergei mentioned though.
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    I thought it would be something like that. It's odd that it managed to get into the final cut though.

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  • Perhaps it says:

    Desc:Starfury One After Burner

    Edit: After loading my DVD and looking at it: I think it says

    Desc:Starfury One After Another
    Hit and Destroyed

    [This message has been edited by Konrad (edited 11-04-2002).]
  • As requested, the frame right after the one with the text:

    [url="http://planetx.bloomu.edu/~esbeck/DVD%20-%20(01hr%2011min%2047sec)%20-%2001.jpg"]http://planetx.bloomu.edu/~esbeck/DVD%20-%20(01hr%2011min%2047sec)%20-%2001.jpg[/url]
  • Random Chaos had a good idea about using another frame to make the text more visible, so I just did that in photoshop. Here is what I was able to get:

    [url="http://planetx.bloomu.edu/~esbeck/edited.jpg"]http://planetx.bloomu.edu/~esbeck/edited.jpg[/url]

    You can now clearly see it saying:

    Shot ID:IB-191-fini
    Frame:90
    Anim:HH
    Date:9/22/97
    Desc:starfury one after another
    hit & destroyed
  • JackNJackN <font color=#99FF99>Lightwave Alien</font>
    [quote]Originally posted by Nelno:
    [b]As requested, the frame right after the one with the text:

    [url="http://planetx.bloomu.edu/~esbeck/DVD%20-%20(01hr%2011min%2047sec)%20-%2001.jpg"]http://planetx.bloomu.edu/~esbeck/DVD%20-%20(01hr%2011min%2047sec)%20-%2001.jpg[/url] [/b][/quote]

    Cool, now I can use one to subtract from the other in PS, and possibly get the text info...

    [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]

    [img]http://oakhurst.net/~alien/MISC/diff.jpg[/img]



    [This message has been edited by JackN (edited 11-04-2002).]
  • Random ChaosRandom Chaos Actually Carefully-selected Order in disguise
    [quote]Originally posted by Nelno:
    [b]Random Chaos had a good idea about using another frame to make the text more visible, so I just did that in photoshop. Here is what I was able to get:

    [url="http://planetx.bloomu.edu/~esbeck/edited.jpg"]http://planetx.bloomu.edu/~esbeck/edited.jpg[/url]

    You can now clearly see it saying:

    Shot ID:IB-191-fini
    Frame:90
    Anim:HH
    Date:9/22/97
    Desc:starfury one after another
    hit & destroyed[/b][/quote]

    Thanks! Thats what I get also [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
  • JackNJackN <font color=#99FF99>Lightwave Alien</font>
    Like minds think alike...

    LOL!

    [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
  • Sergei SSergei S Earthforce Officer
    Ahhh, so you can see the logo now :)) Looks similar to this one:
    [img]http://www.visi.com/~wildfoto/images/b5.gif[/img]
  • MessiahMessiah Failed Experiment
    So its prolly the file description of the cgi.

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  • MessiahMessiah Failed Experiment
    So its prolly the file description of the cgi.

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    Talk is silver, but violence is gold.
  • Random ChaosRandom Chaos Actually Carefully-selected Order in disguise
    Here is an even more cleaned up one than JackN's [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]

    [img]http://treadmarks.elitehunters.com/temp/b5_dvd_CGIShotID.jpg[/img]

    This is my interpretation:

    [img]http://treadmarks.elitehunters.com/temp/b5_dvd_CGIShotID2.jpg[/img]
  • JackNJackN <font color=#99FF99>Lightwave Alien</font>
    The first LOGO is NDEI (aka: Netter Digital Entertainment, Inc.)

    Last logo of course is the familiar Babylon 5 logo.
  • PJHPJH The Lovely Thing
    That's right.

    And here:

    [img]http://pjh.isoeph.com/cleaned.jpg[/img]

    [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]

    - PJH
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    Someone should post this thread to the newsgroup, see what JMS thinks. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]

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    [url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Never eat anything bigger than your own head.[/url]
    "Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
  • MundaneMundane Elite Ranger
    good detective work [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
  • Random ChaosRandom Chaos Actually Carefully-selected Order in disguise
    *agrees with Biggles*

    And don't forget to post his responce here [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
  • JackNJackN <font color=#99FF99>Lightwave Alien</font>
    I love video and image forensics...

    [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
  • Falcon1Falcon1 Elite Ranger
    Now if only it were a PsiCorp message....

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  • [quote]Originally posted by JackN:
    [b]I love video and image forensics...

    [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img][/b][/quote]

    LOL!

    Amazing that you picked that up! Then again, Babylon5 isn't really watched until you've seen every frame [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]

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  • Random ChaosRandom Chaos Actually Carefully-selected Order in disguise
    [quote]Originally posted by Falcon1:
    [b]Now if only it were a PsiCorp message....

    [/b][/quote]


    Maybe we can get JMS to put one of those in the Season 2 whenever it comes out [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    The one that they put in season 5 had to be done very carefully. They had to check what the minimum time for text to be shown on screen was, otherwise they would have been liable for law suits about subliminal text.

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    [url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Never eat anything bigger than your own head.[/url]
    "Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
  • Random ChaosRandom Chaos Actually Carefully-selected Order in disguise
    LOL
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