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Didn't they do this in Nazi Germany?
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Passive fields. January two thousand and twelve. A nation that stands alone. Cold voices, faces pale, Gathered unto their judgement day. Such words remain unspoken. Such pride remains unbroken. Just mothers to stand in vain and cry. Tears and medals in the rain. Shall I recall when justice did prevail? No reason to be found why reason did fail. The all clear resounding. The way was clear to rebuild this land. Shall I call on you to guide me well, To see our hopes and dreams fulfilled? On this day of our ascension.
VNV Nation - Honour
[This message has been edited by jambo_jimmy (edited 07-15-2002).]
It sounds like a beefed up Neighborhood Watch program with a Disaster Responce Program and civilian volunteers to take some pressure of local police departments in the area of non-inforcement(NYC has had a uniformed Police volunteer group for quite some time and they helped me out a number of times), and as a former Police Officer it sounds good to me.
People need to be more involved in there own neighborhoods.
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"And there is nothing more dangerous then a man with nothing to lose. Nothing to live for and nothing to prove."
[i]Brendan Perry, Dead Can Dance[/i]
I've been watching the fire department and CHP/Sherrif employees rally keeping their eyes out for suspicious activity.
Some people are oblivious to it, but I can see it. I for one am glad that they are butting into business that they otherwise wouldn't have if 9/11 hadn't occured.
The current threats to the US from terrorism aren't trivial, but I fear the self-destructive, internal threats from our own citizens who are growing up with no consideration for others or the environment we all must live in.
Let people watch, and in turn watch them also, so that together we don't let anything slip by us.
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[b]Let people watch, and in turn watch them also, so that together we don't let anything slip by us.
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Too late, we Canadians already have infiltrated your population. You have no chance. Make your time. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
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"God's in his heaven. All's right with the world."
It's a good thing we have people like you guys around. You're annoying at times like this, but should Bush *really* ever try to take over the world I'm sure I'll hear it first from you guys [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]
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[b] Too late, we Canadians already have infiltrated your population. You have no chance. Make your time. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
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All your Canucks are belong to us..... [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]
I agree that it is a good idea as well...
It's when people turn a blind eye, or walk the other way that we end up with trouble.
I personally have stepped up to a bunch of arseholes beating the shit out of a complete stranger. (It always pays to sound like a complete psycho as you fly in.. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img] )
I nailed a couple of would be thieves by staking the tyres on the station wagon they were loading half a households worth of good into... and then calling the cops.
I've also fogotten how many times I've lent jerry cans, tools, torches, jump starts, tows and lifts somewhere.
Volunteers and community minded people are like gold.
First, they must succeed in recruiting people from all of your nations populations.
There is no problem with anyone having suspicions about someone else being a terrorist, as long as that person doesnt take the law in his/her own hands. This organisation might make that easier. Easier to shift blame on 'the others', easier to get support.
Im talking mostly about the citizen watch program, which will incorporate terrorism prevention.
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Passive fields. January two thousand and twelve. A nation that stands alone. Cold voices, faces pale, Gathered unto their judgement day. Such words remain unspoken. Such pride remains unbroken. Just mothers to stand in vain and cry. Tears and medals in the rain. Shall I recall when justice did prevail? No reason to be found why reason did fail. The all clear resounding. The way was clear to rebuild this land. Shall I call on you to guide me well, To see our hopes and dreams fulfilled? On this day of our ascension.
VNV Nation - Honour
[This message has been edited by Messiah (edited 07-16-2002).]
[b]Didn't they do this in Nazi Germany?
[url="http://www.citizencorps.gov/index.html"]http://www.citizencorps.gov/index.html[/url]
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Ha, east germany as well...until the 90ies
Rambie: Utah benefits from citizen corps and the disaster program I'm a member of so what would you have me do?
I live in sweden, and Ive never heard of anything like it. True, we have volunteer fire dept. but nothing in the means of crime stopping and terrorist sniffing.
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Passive fields. January two thousand and twelve. A nation that stands alone. Cold voices, faces pale, Gathered unto their judgement day. Such words remain unspoken. Such pride remains unbroken. Just mothers to stand in vain and cry. Tears and medals in the rain. Shall I recall when justice did prevail? No reason to be found why reason did fail. The all clear resounding. The way was clear to rebuild this land. Shall I call on you to guide me well, To see our hopes and dreams fulfilled? On this day of our ascension.
VNV Nation - Honour
My point is simply that a few people are making a mountain out of a mole hill.
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edit: did a lookup on the västerortsprojektet, and yes, they were cooperating with the police. Mostly crime prevention and fireworks prevention (yes, firecrackers are nowadays illegal).
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Passive fields. January two thousand and twelve. A nation that stands alone. Cold voices, faces pale, Gathered unto their judgement day. Such words remain unspoken. Such pride remains unbroken. Just mothers to stand in vain and cry. Tears and medals in the rain. Shall I recall when justice did prevail? No reason to be found why reason did fail. The all clear resounding. The way was clear to rebuild this land. Shall I call on you to guide me well, To see our hopes and dreams fulfilled? On this day of our ascension.
VNV Nation - Honour
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Passive fields. January two thousand and twelve. A nation that stands alone. Cold voices, faces pale, Gathered unto their judgement day. Such words remain unspoken. Such pride remains unbroken. Just mothers to stand in vain and cry. Tears and medals in the rain. Shall I recall when justice did prevail? No reason to be found why reason did fail. The all clear resounding. The way was clear to rebuild this land. Shall I call on you to guide me well, To see our hopes and dreams fulfilled? On this day of our ascension.
VNV Nation - Honour
[b]Ahhh George W. Bush, ''worlds best'' f*ckwit[/b][/quote]
Hahaha So funny yet so true.
Not to be insultive, it's easy sitting across the sea and dis someone else but GWB really isn't best material for a president. To say the least. Seeing his stamp on the site is what worries me more than the content of the site itself. It's quite allright that a people unite and stand together against crime and terror. They just have to be careful so we won't end up with witchburnings as we did so many years ago. The only good thing that ever came out of that is an annual witchday (drink beer and lots of it).
As stated above, Sweden and England and other countries including my own, Denmark, also have homebrewed systems to prevent crime and the likes. I say coool! But it as long as common sence rules it will be for the better if not it's pretty bad.
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It only takes one idiot coming up with a logo like that or "chaning the rules" a little to screw up a perfectly good program. VIVA REVOLUTION!!!
As for Bush, find a new target you guys, we have a three pronged goverment that balances power nicely. That and he's got a higher IQ than the majority. I could start attacking Queen Margrethe II or Prime Minister Rasmussen of Denmark just as easily, and be just as lame.
(I feel this is zocolo bound, i'm amazed we got away with it this long.)
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[b]I still do not like the idea of amateurs sniffing out terrorist suspects. In a worst case scenario, it could have severe consequences in the arab communities.[/b][/quote]
See though how you made the immediate jump between Terrorists and Arab communities.
When I think of terrorists, I think of all who act as a terrorist. First person that comes to my mind isn't Osama, but Timothy M. and the unibomber... Both White, and both American citizens who went sour...
I'm quite aware of how the US is hated by many Muslim and Arab groups, but we have our own internal threats to worry about, and I sure as hell don't group everyone into their way of thinking, Arab or otherwise.
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I am happy to see that you did not make that jump, but it comes naturally to me because of whats happened to my friends. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/frown.gif[/img]
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Passive fields. January two thousand and twelve. A nation that stands alone. Cold voices, faces pale, Gathered unto their judgement day. Such words remain unspoken. Such pride remains unbroken. Just mothers to stand in vain and cry. Tears and medals in the rain. Shall I recall when justice did prevail? No reason to be found why reason did fail. The all clear resounding. The way was clear to rebuild this land. Shall I call on you to guide me well, To see our hopes and dreams fulfilled? On this day of our ascension.
VNV Nation - Honour
[b]I made that jump bacause many of my arab friends have gotten into strange scenarios of terrorist accusations.
I am happy to see that you did not make that jump, but it comes naturally to me because of whats happened to my friends. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/frown.gif[/img]
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I can understand that Messiah, really... but by doing that you have basically done to me and others here, what you are complaining about being done to you and your friends, and that is generalizing that I and others like me see Arab as equal to Terrorist.
There really are informed people that exist and live in the US, although I must agree that I have seen my share of the ignorant, and they seem to be multiplying...
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Ive been to the US twice, and I know and love a lot of people over there. I do know that there are informed, intelligent people living in the states (sorry if you thought otherwise) but Í sometimes hate the way your government acts, and that sometimes carry over to conversations when it should not.
Just had to say that, so when I vent myself over something wrong Ive seen or heard, the people I care for on this board do not take it the wrong way.
I would not have stayed as long on this board as I have, had I not really liked this lot [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]. These are troubling times, and sometimes the kettle boils over. Sorry.
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Passive fields. January two thousand and twelve. A nation that stands alone. Cold voices, faces pale, Gathered unto their judgement day. Such words remain unspoken. Such pride remains unbroken. Just mothers to stand in vain and cry. Tears and medals in the rain. Shall I recall when justice did prevail? No reason to be found why reason did fail. The all clear resounding. The way was clear to rebuild this land. Shall I call on you to guide me well, To see our hopes and dreams fulfilled? On this day of our ascension.
VNV Nation - Honour
[This message has been edited by Messiah (edited 07-18-2002).]
im still not sure what to think of all this.. parts of it sound really creepy..
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If I saw someone committing a crime, then I would call the police. I can do that without such an organization. So, what's the purpose?
(Messiah, there are a lot of people who have been visited by the police and getting their data into police and secret service databases just because they are of the 'right' age, of muslim religion or Arabian origin, and studying at a university, in Germany too. I find that disgusting, and I understand your point.)
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As stated above, Sweden and England and other countries including my own, Denmark, also have homebrewed systems to prevent crime and the likes. I say coool! But it as long as common sence rules it will be for the better if not it's pretty bad.
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Right, this program just sounds a little scary especially this part:
"Information received will be entered into the national database and referred electronically to a point of contact in each state as appropriate."
So, what happens to the people reported to this TIPS program?
I'm not against people being more watchful, I myself have been since 9/11 too. But I don't want to see this country fall back into witch-hunting Salem style.
I wasn't alive at the time, but I've studied history. Anyone remember the McCarthy trials? How far from that is this TIPS program.
The ideals of the program are good, as Citizens we need to ensure the program doesn't turn into a McCarthy style witch hunt.
Here's another review of the program: [url="http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/198/editorials/Ashcroft_vs_Americans+.shtml"]http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/198/editorials/Ashcroft_vs_Americans+.shtml[/url]
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[This message has been edited by Rambie (edited 07-18-2002).]