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JMS over IFH
[quote]Originally posted by The_One:
[b]I e-mailed JMS yesterday - and I got a reply from him, which was cool. Look what I said, and then he said:
In a message dated 7/1/2002 3:29:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, heavypear@hotmail.com writes:
I was e-mailing you to see what you thought about the B5 gaming community
that has emerged over the last few years. Many computer gamers were very
upset over the cancellation of the B5 Flight Sim: Into the Fire. Really, I
was e-mailing you to see if you were aware of an upcoming freeware game
called B5:I've Found Her. I'm not on the team, so I'm not tring to plug it.
You can find their website here [url="http://ifh.firstones.com/index.shtml"]http://ifh.firstones.com/index.shtml[/url] and
it looks very good. I was just curious as to your opinion on such matters
and whether you are pleased dedicated folks are pulling this off. I know
you like to keep a close affiliation between yourself and the fans.
Unfortunately, the site has prevented on two occasions a genuine license for a cgi computer game based on B5, because the company saw the site and felt there wouldn't be room for a new game for money if one was available free online.
jms[/b][/quote]
EDIT: original post here [url="http://www.thegamingunion.co.uk/Forum/ubb/Forum46/HTML/000289.html"]http://www.thegamingunion.co.uk/Forum/ubb/Forum46/HTML/000289.html[/url]
[This message has been edited by Alpha-1 (edited 07-02-2002).]
[b]I e-mailed JMS yesterday - and I got a reply from him, which was cool. Look what I said, and then he said:
In a message dated 7/1/2002 3:29:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, heavypear@hotmail.com writes:
I was e-mailing you to see what you thought about the B5 gaming community
that has emerged over the last few years. Many computer gamers were very
upset over the cancellation of the B5 Flight Sim: Into the Fire. Really, I
was e-mailing you to see if you were aware of an upcoming freeware game
called B5:I've Found Her. I'm not on the team, so I'm not tring to plug it.
You can find their website here [url="http://ifh.firstones.com/index.shtml"]http://ifh.firstones.com/index.shtml[/url] and
it looks very good. I was just curious as to your opinion on such matters
and whether you are pleased dedicated folks are pulling this off. I know
you like to keep a close affiliation between yourself and the fans.
Unfortunately, the site has prevented on two occasions a genuine license for a cgi computer game based on B5, because the company saw the site and felt there wouldn't be room for a new game for money if one was available free online.
jms[/b][/quote]
EDIT: original post here [url="http://www.thegamingunion.co.uk/Forum/ubb/Forum46/HTML/000289.html"]http://www.thegamingunion.co.uk/Forum/ubb/Forum46/HTML/000289.html[/url]
[This message has been edited by Alpha-1 (edited 07-02-2002).]
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perhaps i've got an answer soon
EDIT: here is the email text from the mail i have send to jms
[quote]
Hi.
I' ve seen this posting
and I have to
admit that now I'm a little bit confused by your answer.
Hadn't been "Into the Fire" canceled before the development of the freeware
game "I've Found Her" began or this propably new approach you were speaking
about.
Can you give us some more details on your statement why the site/project has
prevented occasions a computer game based on B5.
Besides, I think many B5 fans would buy a comercial Babylon 5 Game if there
would be one.
The freeware Game is only makeshift by the fans because there is no
commercial Babylon 5 game in sight and therefore IFH should not be seen a
"threat" to a comercial game.
Best regards,
Christoph Erichsen
Germany
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[This message has been edited by Alpha-1 (edited 07-02-2002).]
And quite frankly...while what JMS speaks is truth...but here's another truth. IFH came about most likely BECAUSE of ITF's cancellation and the refusal of companies to make a Babylon 5 space sim. Not the other way around. So the guys who should have granted the funds for an official product made a big mistake in my book.
"This does not sound AT ALL like JMS. First, he's a much better writer, and as one who has followed his postings to Usenet and (before that, CompuServe and GEnie), I can say fairly confidently that he has better grammar than is exemplified in the fake email above. Second, the logic doesn't make sense - if WB didn't think that there would be room for a COMMERCIAL product because of IFH, then they WOULD HAVE SHUT IFH DOWN! It's called COPYRIGHT PROTECTION. Sheesh, the "email" from "JMS" above seems so stupid and like a forgery that I don't know why I even bothered to compose this post.
The_One: if this is truly from JMS, please provide proof - I'll be surprised but (as an IFH fan) pleased to be convinced."
If it is a true email, then it's probable that the companies involved didn't actually ask WB and considered the situation themselves, but that raises the question of how does jms know without WB knowing?
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
[b]Also, jms has mentioned to me when I asked him about the mods that they were infringement but never said anything about licenses being lost because of them.
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I wonder if he has played any of them.
Worf
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[url="http://ifh.firstones.com"]I've Found Her-Babylon 5 free game[/url]
[b]My fear is that WB/JMS may wait for it to finish, then sue for ownership and then sell it themselves...[/b][/quote]
That sounds pretty unlikely to me.
1. IFH is a derivative work that infringes on Time-Warner's intellectual property. That does not mean that Time-Warner owns the work, or could successfullly sue for ownership. It just means that they have control over whether and how that work may be distributed, and that if profits are made from said distribution, royalties must be paid to the copyright owner for the use of the original work.
2. I doubt that Time-Warner would really want the kind of negative publicity such a lawsuit deal would generate. It's bad enough when corporations try to control or shut down fan made websites. Although I think most people understand why they do so. But this kind of action would really cross the line with fans.
3. It wouldn't be cost effective. If they thought the title was good enough to release, it would be cheaper to just cut a deal with the IFH team for royalties than it would be to try to win outright ownership of the title in court. This has actually happened a couple of times in recent history - mod teams have been bought out by game publishers who licensed their product for commericial distribution.
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3. It wouldn't be cost effective. If they thought the title was good enough to release, it would be cheaper to just cut a deal with the IFH team for royalties than it would be to try to win outright ownership of the title in court. This has actually happened a couple of times in recent history - mod teams have been bought out by game publishers who licensed their product for commericial distribution.
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Like Counter-Strike.
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[This message has been edited by Striker (edited 07-03-2002).]
i think that comes quite near to what you're asking
let's see if he gets an answer or if jms posts anything about it somewhere(ng for example)
edit: it is actually hios second posting on this matter, just to be correct [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]
[This message has been edited by -Marty- (edited 07-03-2002).]
Smasher
IFH Team
3D Modeler|Programmer
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
the sim market its a really difficult one, the problems with FS2 mostly for the ..."fight" of FS2 with star wars games.
the sim market is only a little part of the whole game´s market, and the space sim is aswell only part of the sim market.
sierra had the opportunitie to make the homeworld game for B5 universe or a similar game ....they used other idea, they could make a 3d combat...but they made tribes and half-life, they could make a rpg (sierra was a well- known rpg game company), but again....none b5 related.
strategy-resource-political game (like civilization etc...not a tactical-strategy game like HW).....but none....
race game....like cars games. ..(formula 1 etc), using space ships or something else,...again none, casino.....none again, elite type....none again, fight combat (like street fighter)...none again....
sierra-havas group has the license to make a LOTR (lord of the rings), game...maybe a rpg game...where is it?.
WB didnt made and do not make the properly use of the idea of b5, they dont understand the meaning of sinergy...and thats why they failed....
more words about this topic its only painfull...cut it down.
[b]Yes, we've got confirmation from JMS.
Smasher
IFH Team
3D Modeler|Programmer[/b][/quote]
i hope we can get some details from the confirmation.
[b]On a side note, I just read a very interesting essay about money... anyone who enjoys a good read should go out and pick up the Douglas Adams compedium that was just released, A Salmon of Doubt.[/b][/quote]
How is Salmon? I've almost bought it several times, But i've been hesatant because i've not been impressed with posthumus works, even tho from what i've heard its all stuff that he wrote, just never finished.
The more i think about it, the more i realise how great his loss was,
[b]Except for a finished short story, and the unfinished first 10 chapters of the book he was working on, it is all essays, speeches, and idle thoughts he had stored on his computer. Really funny read, and some of it is really thought provoking stuff. He put alot of thought into alot of things in his short life. Well worth the 40 bucks.[/b][/quote]
$40 bucks? Ouch. looks like i'll either be waiting, or get a used copy. although, i do have the audio book around here somwhere, but i'd rather read it.
[b]Around 20 US dollars..... that 40 is in Canadian, including 15% in taxes.[/b][/quote]
AHHHHh whew, you scared me there for a second!
[b]Is he talking about separate game possibilities, or is he talking about the two attepmts by S14S to get funding?
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He's talking about after-S14S attempts.
[b] He's talking about after-S14S attempts.[/b][/quote]
Errm...
Could there be a "!" missing at the end of this sentence? Or, a whole bunch of "!"'s???
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
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Originally posted by J. M. Straczynski:
(Okay, I lied, one last-last thing...after the 12th of July or so there will likely be a small announcement from WB that's B5 related. Can't comment more than that, and it isn't anything major a la a new series or a movie or the like, but I suspect a certain sub-set of B5 fandom will be most pleased by the information.)
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I have no idea what he means... but if it ain't a new series, movie or something like that then it can mean a new PC/console game and/or freeing the copyrights.
Remains to be seen... damn, now I'm all excited.
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[This message has been edited by Alpha-1 (edited 07-04-2002).]