well that's...different
I'll get used to it.
well, it would appear that you aren't talking in IRC.
what am I doing up at this hour anyway?
I need a shower
[This message has been edited by Lord QDaan (edited 12-31-2001).]
Completely unrelated problems, but complicated ones. My first problem is still strange and unknown. The second was because I accidentially deelted an end table. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/tongue.gif[/img]
[quote]Originally posted by The Merciful:
[b]I like especially the fact that the mods are accessible directly from the front page. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]
ps. Is the Sierra's site lost or just misplaced?
[/b][/quote]
You can get to the old Sierra site by replacing the FirstOnes address with the IP address of the forums.
IMO, you just need to sort a few major issues first.
PROBLEM:==>You have white links against a white background in your main content area.
RESOLUTION:==>You need to use CSS to allow you to have different colored links on the page. In general I would suggest you remove all the font tags used throughout the site and replace with CSS.
PROBLEM:==>You are using too many fonts. You have Serpentine, Arial and Times New Roman.
RESOLUTION:==>Make all your text on the page (links etc) use either Arial OR Times New Roman. Obviously the Serpentine for the B5 images stays. I would go for Arial/San-Serif.
PROBLEM:==>The header box for your news boxes needs the end images adjusted.
RESOLUTION:==>The bottom corner images on each side of the box with the headlines in them needs rounding and transparency set.
The rest here are stylistic opinions...
I would lose the .Plan headline in your margin. It lost its point years ago and is only there to remind people the site was once connected to a game. They can find that out by reading the history (if they didn't already know).
In general your menu is a bit bunched up. Try a bit of space between each section to give it breathing room. Might want to try moving it all up a line or 2.
The headlines in the main content boxes should be centred vertically. (valign="middle")
The space to the right of the main logo is looking way too lonely, like it needs something in there. How about a link to the forums or something?
Finally, at the risk of inviting a flamewar, I think the site needs just a bit more color in it. Ignoring the Amazon stuff, which you cannot see unless you scroll, the site has 4 colors, light blue, lighter blue, black and white. I think just a few more colors and the site is a winner.
When you fix the white links in the content boxes, I would suggest you let them revert to the default navy and purple. I would also change either the logo OR the menu heading images so they are on maybe a different colored background or are bevelled/raised or something. I think Logos need to be different to other stuff on the site so it is not diminished. given that you already have the forum logos in the same style, perhaps changing the menu headings is the way to go. How about Changing the striped background colors to grays to give a chrome effect and redoing the words in another color.
Finally, if you guys need a hand with the CSS stuff - or anything else, I will happily "fix" the page and email the stuff to you. I do this stuff for a living so it won't take long...
Keep up the faith.
B6
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[This message has been edited by Babylon6 (edited 12-31-2001).]
[This message has been edited by Babylon6 (edited 12-31-2001).]
I like it, looks smooth.
Looks a great deal more official and proffesional now, and thats good.
Keep up the good work guys [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
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Vir - Are you saying you don't trust me anymore? I made your favourite, Spoo.
Londo - I'll order in.
How can we possibly use sex to get what we want? Sex [/i]IS[i] what we want! - Frasier Crane[/i][/b]
looks nice... a few nitpickings, though, but those have already been mentioned.
one big thing: i don´t know for what browser versions in mind you designed the site, but with Netscape 4.78 (on a macintosh, that is), the site is totally screwed up (the corners for the news-areas are missing, the news table doesn´t wrap the text, and the tables are not aligned left, but differ left and right) - might be an css issue with that browser version - maybe its time to stop using it... within IE5, the site works basically, but the top corners of the news-text areas are cut off. only within Netscape 6.2 the site looks correct (but that one´s also the slowest browser, at leat on classic macos... not much fun for me surfing the net)
I really like the new design. The one main complaint (which everyone has mentioned)is the black backgroud. It really looks odd. Otherwise, it looks really good. Good job!
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[i]"Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future, or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain."[/i] G'Kar, Season 3
Please check out the Babylon 5 mod for Battlecruiser Millenium at [url="http://mods.firstones.com/B5BCM"]http://mods.firstones.com/B5BCM[/url]
Yes, the layout indeed is screwed in Netscape 4.78, but in IE it looks fine.
And btw, white background of the news items is [b]EVIL[/b] and makes my eyes hurt. Replace it with something less bright so that the contrast won't be that horrible.
Other than those little things it looks pretty good. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
[quote]Originally posted by PJH:
[b]Yes, the layout indeed is screwed in Netscape 4.78, but in IE it looks fine.
And btw, white background of the news items is [b]EVIL[/b] and makes my eyes hurt. Replace it with something less bright so that the contrast won't be that horrible.
Other than those little things it looks pretty good. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
- PJH[/B][/quote]
Who cares about Netscape? =)
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[quote]Originally posted by Babylon6:
[b]"Who cares about Netscape"?
Ummm, the 2 or three people who mentioned it for a start.
[/b][/quote]
And dont forget the 3 other Netscape users out there on the net! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
Netscape <6.0 will have problems due to the way it handles tables and other standard HTML things. And if you guys want us to use CSS then Netscape <6.0 is right out the door entirely.
[quote]Originally posted by Babylon6:[b]
I would lose the .Plan headline in your margin. It lost its point years ago and is only there to remind people the site was once connected to a game. They can find that out by reading the history (if they didn't already know).[/b][/quote]
We're actually planning on bringing the .plans back. In addition to that, all the old ones are still there, why should we take them away when they are such a good read?
[quote]Originally posted by rhett:[b]
The one main complaint (which everyone has mentioned)is the black backgroud. It really looks odd. [/b][/quote]
See? I told you black was a bad idea!
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
[quote]Originally posted by Babylon6:
[b]"Who cares about Netscape"?
Ummm, the 2 or three people who mentioned it for a start.
Its not like the layout you've used can't be made to work in Netscape with little effort.
[/b][/quote]
I was JOKING...hence the smile after I said it.
However, Netscape 4.7 doesn't handle CSS (among other things) very well. Most of the sites on-line, at least 70% of them, are geared towards IE rather than Netscape.
Netscape is becoming extinct unfortunately. It used to be such a great browser. Every day, more people are using IE rather than Netscape.
EDIT: Changed the 6.x to 4.7.
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Web Hosting Provider for FirstOnes.com [url="http://www.radiusco.com/"]http://www.radiusco.com/[/url]
[This message has been edited by Striker (edited 01-01-2002).]
I'm also thinking the white is a little too bright...maybe pick one of the colors from the main logo image--one of the pale blue colors--for the news background.
[quote]
Netscape is becoming extinct unfortunately. It used to be such a great browser. Every day, more people are using IE rather than Netscape.
[/quote]
Repeat after me...
"HTML is not vendor specific.
"XHTML is not vendor specific.
"If I design my site for one one browser, I am buying in to their monopolistic propaganda."
Any site developer who is not familiar with [url="http://www.w3c.org/"]http://www.w3c.org/[/url] should be slapped about with a Microsoft proxy statement. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
Check out the HTML and CSS validators at the site above. Also check out [url="http://www.anybrowser.org/campaign/"]http://www.anybrowser.org/campaign/[/url] for some helpful hints on making sites "vendor neutral".
Personnaly, I'd rather have a simple site that is viewable by most/any browser then a eye-dazzling site that is only readable with a particular browser.
[EDIT: Modified Anybrowser link]
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bobo
<*>
B5:ITF
[This message has been edited by bobo (edited 12-31-2001).]
Well, I tried to use Netscape 6.0 but it was just too slow for my 56k modem. It had too much of an interface.
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[i]"Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future, or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain."[/i] G'Kar, Season 3
Please check out the Babylon 5 mod for Battlecruiser Millenium at [url="http://mods.firstones.com/B5BCM"]http://mods.firstones.com/B5BCM[/url]
[quote]Originally posted by JackN:
[b]PLEASE!!! Get rid of that Black Background!
Use a low Blue at least! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img][/b][/quote]
DISSIDENT!
DISSIDENT!
Away with thee! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
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[b]Sanfam[/b] - Pixel Pirates
[i]"We are the Microsoft. Withdraw your lawsuits and release your patents. We will add your copyrights and intellectual property to our own. Your programmers will be adapted to service us. Resistance is futile."[/i]
Come and listen to the official shoutcast server of Firstones.com! It's Spootastic! [url="http://sanfam.dyndns.org:8000"]http://sanfam.dyndns.org:8000[/url]
"It is the year 2000. Where are the flying cars? I was Promised flying cars. I don't see any flying cars." -- Avery "Sisko" Brooks
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
You will look at the new page! And you will like the new page! In fact, you will love the new page! It is the greatest thing you have ever seen! You will have no complaints about it at all!
I would use a netscape browser if it wasn't for the fact that they all keep crashing on me constantly. Yes, I know that all you netscapers out there are going to point out how you've never had them crash or not much or something, but remember that with software, it's all dependant on the computer it is running on.
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
"However, Netscape 6.x doesn't handle CSS (among other things) very well. "
That is so wrong it deserves a merciless assault with a wet fish [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img] Netscape 6 is absolutely superb at CSS. I think you are confusing it with Netscape 4, which was truly woeful. The 2 products share a name and little else.
"Most of the sites on-line, at least 70% of them, are geared towards IE rather than Netscape."
Precisely and that needs to change. The reality is that making a site that works well in all the major browsers at the moment is now very easy. The real issue is that most sites need to be upgraded and this is where people find it more convenient to mutter those words "Netscape is dead". Saves them having to discover how to write standards compliant code.
I Use Netscape 6.2.1 and Mozilla all the time and more importantly I write code for web sites that works in them. I check in Netscape 4 to make sure its legible and doesn't crash the browser.
Checkout nomad-Jedi to see this and to see that you can create a site with reasonably advanced layout and advanced DHTML that works perfectly in IE and Netscape 6.
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Babylon6 in orbit @ [url="http://www.nomad-jedi.com"]http://www.nomad-jedi.com/[/url]
[b]Check out the writing skills of this person: [url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/[/url][/b]
[quote]Originally posted by JackN:
[b]I think it will work, but that white text area against a black background is killing my eyes...Any way to tone it down a bit?[/b][/quote]
I don't know if it will work, bbut agree that it might need to be toned down. BTW, I do remember reading that the easiest color combination on the eyes and the easiest to read is yellow text on a black background. Imagine that.
[quote]Originally posted by Babylon6:
[b]"However, Netscape 6.x doesn't handle CSS (among other things) very well. "
That is so wrong it deserves a merciless assault with a wet fish [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img] Netscape 6 is absolutely superb at CSS. I think you are confusing it with Netscape 4, which was truly woeful. The 2 products share a name and little else.[/b][/quote]
Hmm....I believe you are correct. I am thinking about 4.7. However, Netscape 6.x does not handle a lot of things right. I was a web designer before I bemcame a web hosting provider. I still do a little web design here and there. However, Netscape 6.x still has a lot of trouble trying to decode advanced components...even CSS sometimes.
I can tell you're a Netscape advocate so I'm not going to argue about it. =)
I'm not commenting on this subject anymore. =)
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We seem to be both trying to fix all these problems. lol
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I'll get used to it.
well, it would appear that you aren't talking in IRC.
what am I doing up at this hour anyway?
I need a shower
[This message has been edited by Lord QDaan (edited 12-31-2001).]
I think it will work, but that white text area against a black background is killing my eyes...
Any way to tone it down a bit?
[img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
Idea:
Black text background, but a thin, 1 or 2 pixel white border around it?
[This message has been edited by Sanfam (edited 12-31-2001).]
ps. Is the Sierra's site lost or just misplaced?
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- Utterly Bastard Groovy -
- [url="http://mods.firstones.com/buda5/"]Buda5[/url] - [url="http://www.jyu.fi/~juhkuus/I-War/I-War.htm"]The Infinity[/url] -
[b]I like especially the fact that the mods are accessible directly from the front page. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]
ps. Is the Sierra's site lost or just misplaced?
[/b][/quote]
You can get to the old Sierra site by replacing the FirstOnes address with the IP address of the forums.
IMO, you just need to sort a few major issues first.
PROBLEM:==>You have white links against a white background in your main content area.
RESOLUTION:==>You need to use CSS to allow you to have different colored links on the page. In general I would suggest you remove all the font tags used throughout the site and replace with CSS.
PROBLEM:==>You are using too many fonts. You have Serpentine, Arial and Times New Roman.
RESOLUTION:==>Make all your text on the page (links etc) use either Arial OR Times New Roman. Obviously the Serpentine for the B5 images stays. I would go for Arial/San-Serif.
PROBLEM:==>The header box for your news boxes needs the end images adjusted.
RESOLUTION:==>The bottom corner images on each side of the box with the headlines in them needs rounding and transparency set.
The rest here are stylistic opinions...
I would lose the .Plan headline in your margin. It lost its point years ago and is only there to remind people the site was once connected to a game. They can find that out by reading the history (if they didn't already know).
In general your menu is a bit bunched up. Try a bit of space between each section to give it breathing room. Might want to try moving it all up a line or 2.
The headlines in the main content boxes should be centred vertically. (valign="middle")
The space to the right of the main logo is looking way too lonely, like it needs something in there. How about a link to the forums or something?
Finally, at the risk of inviting a flamewar, I think the site needs just a bit more color in it. Ignoring the Amazon stuff, which you cannot see unless you scroll, the site has 4 colors, light blue, lighter blue, black and white. I think just a few more colors and the site is a winner.
When you fix the white links in the content boxes, I would suggest you let them revert to the default navy and purple. I would also change either the logo OR the menu heading images so they are on maybe a different colored background or are bevelled/raised or something. I think Logos need to be different to other stuff on the site so it is not diminished. given that you already have the forum logos in the same style, perhaps changing the menu headings is the way to go. How about Changing the striped background colors to grays to give a chrome effect and redoing the words in another color.
Finally, if you guys need a hand with the CSS stuff - or anything else, I will happily "fix" the page and email the stuff to you. I do this stuff for a living so it won't take long...
Keep up the faith.
B6
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[b]Check out the writing skills of this person: [url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/[/url][/b]
[This message has been edited by Babylon6 (edited 12-31-2001).]
[This message has been edited by Babylon6 (edited 12-31-2001).]
2.White links on white background.....
And,instead of black text on white background,maybe white text on black is better?? I think so....
Looks a great deal more official and proffesional now, and thats good.
Keep up the good work guys [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
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[b][i][url="http://www.dd.chalmers.se/~gu00mama/"]http://www.dd.chalmers.se/~gu00mama/[/url]
Vir - Are you saying you don't trust me anymore? I made your favourite, Spoo.
Londo - I'll order in.
How can we possibly use sex to get what we want? Sex [/i]IS[i] what we want! - Frasier Crane[/i][/b]
one big thing: i don´t know for what browser versions in mind you designed the site, but with Netscape 4.78 (on a macintosh, that is), the site is totally screwed up (the corners for the news-areas are missing, the news table doesn´t wrap the text, and the tables are not aligned left, but differ left and right) - might be an css issue with that browser version - maybe its time to stop using it... within IE5, the site works basically, but the top corners of the news-text areas are cut off. only within Netscape 6.2 the site looks correct (but that one´s also the slowest browser, at leat on classic macos... not much fun for me surfing the net)
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[i]"Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future, or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain."[/i] G'Kar, Season 3
Please check out the Babylon 5 mod for Battlecruiser Millenium at [url="http://mods.firstones.com/B5BCM"]http://mods.firstones.com/B5BCM[/url]
And btw, white background of the news items is [b]EVIL[/b] and makes my eyes hurt. Replace it with something less bright so that the contrast won't be that horrible.
Other than those little things it looks pretty good. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
- PJH
[b]Yes, the layout indeed is screwed in Netscape 4.78, but in IE it looks fine.
And btw, white background of the news items is [b]EVIL[/b] and makes my eyes hurt. Replace it with something less bright so that the contrast won't be that horrible.
Other than those little things it looks pretty good. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
- PJH[/B][/quote]
Who cares about Netscape? =)
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Ummm, the 2 or three people who mentioned it for a start.
Its not like the layout you've used can't be made to work in Netscape with little effort.
[b]"Who cares about Netscape"?
Ummm, the 2 or three people who mentioned it for a start.
[/b][/quote]
And dont forget the 3 other Netscape users out there on the net! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]
[quote]Originally posted by Babylon6:[b]
I would lose the .Plan headline in your margin. It lost its point years ago and is only there to remind people the site was once connected to a game. They can find that out by reading the history (if they didn't already know).[/b][/quote]
We're actually planning on bringing the .plans back. In addition to that, all the old ones are still there, why should we take them away when they are such a good read?
[quote]Originally posted by rhett:[b]
The one main complaint (which everyone has mentioned)is the black backgroud. It really looks odd. [/b][/quote]
See? I told you black was a bad idea!
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
[b]"Who cares about Netscape"?
Ummm, the 2 or three people who mentioned it for a start.
Its not like the layout you've used can't be made to work in Netscape with little effort.
[/b][/quote]
I was JOKING...hence the smile after I said it.
However, Netscape 4.7 doesn't handle CSS (among other things) very well. Most of the sites on-line, at least 70% of them, are geared towards IE rather than Netscape.
Netscape is becoming extinct unfortunately. It used to be such a great browser. Every day, more people are using IE rather than Netscape.
EDIT: Changed the 6.x to 4.7.
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[This message has been edited by Striker (edited 01-01-2002).]
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"When it is time,come to this place,call our name,we will be here"-Walkers of Sigma957
(Featuring CSS!)
Finished for now. I intend to convert certain existing pages over to the new format, but not many (to preserve their historic nature)
Netscape is becoming extinct unfortunately. It used to be such a great browser. Every day, more people are using IE rather than Netscape.
[/quote]
Repeat after me...
"HTML is not vendor specific.
"XHTML is not vendor specific.
"If I design my site for one one browser, I am buying in to their monopolistic propaganda."
Any site developer who is not familiar with [url="http://www.w3c.org/"]http://www.w3c.org/[/url] should be slapped about with a Microsoft proxy statement. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
Check out the HTML and CSS validators at the site above. Also check out [url="http://www.anybrowser.org/campaign/"]http://www.anybrowser.org/campaign/[/url] for some helpful hints on making sites "vendor neutral".
Personnaly, I'd rather have a simple site that is viewable by most/any browser then a eye-dazzling site that is only readable with a particular browser.
[EDIT: Modified Anybrowser link]
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bobo
<*>
B5:ITF
[This message has been edited by bobo (edited 12-31-2001).]
I'm using Netscape 6 and things are ok...
I really HATE IE for the most part...
Netscape 4.7x sucks now...
I only keep it to check things out, whenever I do a new HTML design... There are still many people who don't have the newer stuff...
...and I hold suspect someone elses stats presented here earlier... [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]
Use a low Blue at least! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
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[i]"Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future, or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain."[/i] G'Kar, Season 3
Please check out the Babylon 5 mod for Battlecruiser Millenium at [url="http://mods.firstones.com/B5BCM"]http://mods.firstones.com/B5BCM[/url]
[b]PLEASE!!! Get rid of that Black Background!
Use a low Blue at least! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img][/b][/quote]
DISSIDENT!
DISSIDENT!
Away with thee! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
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[b]Sanfam[/b] - Pixel Pirates
[i]"We are the Microsoft. Withdraw your lawsuits and release your patents. We will add your copyrights and intellectual property to our own. Your programmers will be adapted to service us. Resistance is futile."[/i]
Come and listen to the official shoutcast server of Firstones.com! It's Spootastic! [url="http://sanfam.dyndns.org:8000"]http://sanfam.dyndns.org:8000[/url]
"It is the year 2000. Where are the flying cars? I was Promised flying cars. I don't see any flying cars." -- Avery "Sisko" Brooks
I would use a netscape browser if it wasn't for the fact that they all keep crashing on me constantly. Yes, I know that all you netscapers out there are going to point out how you've never had them crash or not much or something, but remember that with software, it's all dependant on the computer it is running on.
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
That is so wrong it deserves a merciless assault with a wet fish [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img] Netscape 6 is absolutely superb at CSS. I think you are confusing it with Netscape 4, which was truly woeful. The 2 products share a name and little else.
"Most of the sites on-line, at least 70% of them, are geared towards IE rather than Netscape."
Precisely and that needs to change. The reality is that making a site that works well in all the major browsers at the moment is now very easy. The real issue is that most sites need to be upgraded and this is where people find it more convenient to mutter those words "Netscape is dead". Saves them having to discover how to write standards compliant code.
I Use Netscape 6.2.1 and Mozilla all the time and more importantly I write code for web sites that works in them. I check in Netscape 4 to make sure its legible and doesn't crash the browser.
Checkout nomad-Jedi to see this and to see that you can create a site with reasonably advanced layout and advanced DHTML that works perfectly in IE and Netscape 6.
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[b]I think it will work, but that white text area against a black background is killing my eyes...Any way to tone it down a bit?[/b][/quote]
I don't know if it will work, bbut agree that it might need to be toned down. BTW, I do remember reading that the easiest color combination on the eyes and the easiest to read is yellow text on a black background. Imagine that.
[b]"However, Netscape 6.x doesn't handle CSS (among other things) very well. "
That is so wrong it deserves a merciless assault with a wet fish [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img] Netscape 6 is absolutely superb at CSS. I think you are confusing it with Netscape 4, which was truly woeful. The 2 products share a name and little else.[/b][/quote]
Hmm....I believe you are correct. I am thinking about 4.7. However, Netscape 6.x does not handle a lot of things right. I was a web designer before I bemcame a web hosting provider. I still do a little web design here and there. However, Netscape 6.x still has a lot of trouble trying to decode advanced components...even CSS sometimes.
I can tell you're a Netscape advocate so I'm not going to argue about it. =)
I'm not commenting on this subject anymore. =)
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