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Spaceport America

... was apparently inaugurated yesterday by [URL="http://uk.news.yahoo.com/first-spaceport-giant-leap-branson-045412876.html"]Richard Branson.[/URL] :cool:

[URL="http://www.spaceportamerica.com"]Things are looking up for the world's first purpose-built commercial spaceport.[/URL] ;)

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  • Ohh, I like!

    [img]http://www.spaceportamerica.com/images/photoGallery/spa_aerial_blue_tag.jpg[/img]
  • StingrayStingray Elite Ranger
    Cool, that picture looks like a concept painting. :) (That's because it is one...)
  • Now the only thing what we are missing is the actual access to space.
  • SpiritOneSpiritOne Magneto ABQ NM
    thats incredible looking. I hope we see this thing come to life.
  • ShadowDancerShadowDancer When I say, "Why aye, gadgie," in my heart I say, "Och aye, laddie." London, UK
    Impressive.
  • JackNJackN <font color=#99FF99>Lightwave Alien</font>
    You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy...
  • StingrayStingray Elite Ranger
    Maybe it's just me, but the shape of the spaceport facility reminds me of the Centauri classic hairstyle, as seen on Babylon 5. Just tweaked enough to bypass a lawsuit. ;)
  • Random ChaosRandom Chaos Actually Carefully-selected Order in disguise
    Looks like people are walking in and out of a giant space creatures anus.
  • FreejackFreejack Jake the Not-so-Wise
    Someday our grandchildren will be dragging a roller board through security at Terminal 3 at BOM (Barak Obama Memorial) Spaceport dreading the cramped 10 hr flight to get to Virgin's orbital hub, worried that the already delayed flight is going to cause them to miss their connection, wondering what the heyday of space travel was like....

    Jake
  • DaxDax Redshirt
    [URL="http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2011/10/18/ns-starships-start-here-website.html"]Spaceport Canada![/URL] (here's hoping where I live gets the $35billion contract)
  • WORFWORF The Burninator
    In Chronicles of Humanity, I made a point of having Heathrow Spaceport.
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    Was it congested and horrible to use?
  • WORFWORF The Burninator
    The exterior set was horrible to use, it kept lagging/crashing my software.
  • MessiahMessiah Failed Experiment
    A bit farther north from where I live but still.. [url]http://www.spaceportsweden.com/[/url]
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    [quote]The aim of Spaceport Sweden is to be a world leading spaceport actor and Europe’s first and most obvious place for commercial spaceflights.[/quote]

    Yes. Right up where the Earth's spin gives almost no boost. That's not going to be very economical. Europe's most obvious place for space flights is going to be somewhere in Spain, Italy or Greece. There's a reason ESA launches from French Guiana.
  • StingrayStingray Elite Ranger
    It said, "leading spaceport [U][B][I]actor[/I][/B][/U]", who said anything about sending real people into space??? :D

    And cut!!
  • StingrayStingray Elite Ranger
    The sad thing is that we won't be among those who will get to go into space to at least experience microgravity. So while it's great news that things are progressing, we are not going to benefit directly from these developments. Sucks!
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    [QUOTE=Stingray;194059]It said, "leading spaceport [U][B][I]actor[/I][/B][/U]", who said anything about sending real people into space??? :D

    And cut!![/QUOTE]

    Oh, I see. They want to be the spaceport set used to film the fake lift off for the fake Mars mission.
  • MessiahMessiah Failed Experiment
    [QUOTE=Biggles;194055]Yes. Right up where the Earth's spin gives almost no boost. That's not going to be very economical. Europe's most obvious place for space flights is going to be somewhere in Spain, Italy or Greece. There's a reason ESA launches from French Guiana.[/QUOTE]

    You mean apart from Esrange already being used for half a century, and Richard Branson looking to use the site himself?

    [url]http://stratocat.com.ar/bases/37e.htm[/url]
    [url]http://www.sscspace.com/esrange-space-center-3[/url]
    [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esrange[/url]
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    It does sounding rockets. Those are not aiming at orbit, and often are for experiments with a specific target (the website specifically states that the sounding rockets and balloons are particularly focused on aurora, which you don't see many of at the equator), so being close to the equator doesn't matter. Branson's immediate future plans are for similarly sub-orbital flights, so he's probably more interested in existing facilities than anything else. If you're going for orbit (and let's be honest, who's going to stop with sub-orbital?), then unless you're going for a polar orbit, I doubt that a space port in northern Sweden would be able to compete, economically, with one based in southern Italy.

    Perhaps new rockets or new applications will appear where the Earth's spin is irrelevant, or perhaps regulations compared with other places will give it an advantage, but until then I think that fuel economy and ability to lift a greater mass will triumph over anything else.
  • Random ChaosRandom Chaos Actually Carefully-selected Order in disguise
    Actually, North Africa is even more appealing than southern Europe, due to it being even closer to the equator as well as being drier, and thus less affected by weather. The only potential issue is dust storms there.

    This is one of the reasons why Florida was not the best place to chose for NASA, but the fact that Florida has political reasons for being chosen won out over the fact that they have to scrub pretty regularly due to inclement weather. Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and southern California are far better locations due to their much drier climate.

    As for lift capability, the closer you are to the equator, the easier you will obtain orbit. The earth is spinning, meaning you start with that much speed and only have to add onto it. Further north/south you have to have additional thrust (and thus additional fuel weight, which in turn requires more fuel to achieve the same amount of thrust) in order to equal the difference in initial velocity.
  • StingrayStingray Elite Ranger
    I don't get how being closer to the equator is supposed to affect Virgin Galactic flights. Have you guys seen how they launch their vehicles? They take off with a twin fuselage plane carrying the spaceship underneath the central wing. The spaceship is then launched at high altitude.

    Obviously latitude is not that critical when you are not launching from the ground. It probably matters to some degree but it may be insignificant in the larger picture.
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    Taking off does not immediately free you of the rotational momentum received from the Earth. You always have this unless you specifically exert effort to remove it, which, as I understand it, is difficult to do within the atmosphere. (There's a lot of complex orbital mechanics involved here; Random Chaos can probably explain things more clearly and with more certainty.) The velocity at the equator at the surface of the Earth is about 465m/s, which is not a quantity to be disregarded, and I don't think that it would be all gone by the time an aircraft would have climbed to launch altitude.

    There's also the aspect of orbital inclination. Being at the equator isn't just about gaining a boost from the Earth. The further away a rocket launches from the equator, the more fuel it needs to use to change its orbital inclination to the equatorial plane. If the majority of satellite orbits were in Sweden, this wouldn't be a problem, but they aren't. The majority are equatorial, or not that far from it, relatively. Sweden is a great place to launch from if you're aiming for a polar orbit, but those are much fewer than orbits closer to 0 degrees. This is one reason why air launch systems often cite "We can fly to the equator" as a benefit.
  • StingrayStingray Elite Ranger
    So having a spaceport in Sweden is more about convenience and national pride than anything else, they will have to move closer to the equator once they are in the air to make it to orbit.
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