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What ever happened to the game?

I've been out of the loop for a very long time. What ever happened to the game after it's cancellation? I remember reading on this site about there being hope, and that the devs had started a company and were trying to aquire the rights to make the game. Was any headway made? Is it dead? Paper or plastic? Finally, if it is dead, are there any plans for other B5 games (besides the mods)?
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  • Sadly, $ierra canned it for good, and won't sell.

    Welcome to Firstones though, and all hope is NOT lost for a b5 flight sim. check [url="http://mods.firstones.com"]http://mods.firstones.com[/url] for more info, and I STRONGLY suggest looking at IFH
    ( [url="http://mods.firstones.com/ifh/"]http://mods.firstones.com/ifh/[/url] )

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  • NickNick Earthforce Officer
    AHHHHHH bad memories. Head hurting. Make the hurt stop plz thanks.
  • FaylornFaylorn Elite Ranger
    But there won't be a non-linear, dynamic B5 Universe with some of the other features that made ItF the stuff of dreams. However, I do agree - from what I can tell, IFH looks to be good. It would be possible to resurrect ItF if we had a good plan to do it. Perhaps, if most of us did the programming/modelling/what-have-you and original crew reviewed and refined it. The game would be produced while minimizing participation the original crew are too busy to give. Sound good?

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    --Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri

    "Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he eats for a life time. But teach a man to BE a fish, and he can eat himself."
    --Dennis Miller, Dennis Miller Live

    [This message has been edited by Faylorn (edited 11-25-2001).]
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    You really have been out of the loop for a while! Glad you came back!

    As for the game: Basically, the Devs ran out of options. Their last attempt to get funding after Sierra refused to sell and lost them their first lot of funding failed.

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    The Balance provides. The Balance protects.

    "Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
  • RubberEagleRubberEagle What's a rubber eagle used for, anyway?
    Biggles, didn't you write this excelent summary of the events? maybe he's interested in reading that [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]
  • FaylornFaylorn Elite Ranger
    What about my idea - huh? huh? [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/confused.gif[/img] Think it could work?

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    --Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri

    "Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he eats for a life time. But teach a man to BE a fish, and he can eat himself."
    --Dennis Miller, Dennis Miller Live

    [This message has been edited by Faylorn (edited 11-25-2001).]

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  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    Good point. [url="http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/jlbiggs/firstoneshistory.html"]Here[/url] you go. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]

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    [b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
    Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
    The Balance provides. The Balance protects.

    "Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
  • RandyRandy Master Storyteller
    [quote]Originally posted by Faylorn:
    [b]But there won't be a non-linear, dynamic B5 Universe with some of the other features that made ItF the stuff of dreams. However, I do agree - from what I can tell, IFH looks to be good. It would be possible to resurrect ItF if we had a good plan to do it. Perhaps, if most of us did the programming/modelling/what-have-you and original crew reviewed and refined it. The game would be produced while minimizing participation the original crew are too busy to give. Sound good?

    [/b][/quote]

    Sounds good - except that this wouldn't be legal. Personally I wish that I could just FTP the design documents to the Firstones server. My understanding is that I can't do this. Besides Sierra (if there is anyone left there who would even recognize the effort), WB would probably not be happy about such an effort.

    On the other hand, if one were to collect everything that has been written about the game over the years (especially recently) at Firstones into one place - you'd have a pretty good guideline. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]

    Oh - and if you were to also take the narrative content of Officer's Journal as a story guide... [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img] [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img] I don't know who is writing it - but it's pretty close, in terms of story missions. All that's missing is the specific interfaces that the player would be using, which are represented in the Officer's Journal by dialogue instead.




    [This message has been edited by Randy (edited 11-25-2001).]
  • SanfamSanfam I like clocks.
    Randy: If you ever come upon a cd full of ITF Design Docs in a trash can or something, don't hold back in telling me. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/tongue.gif[/img]
  • Vertigo1Vertigo1 Official Fuzzy Dice of FirstOnes.com
    I'm suprised nobody here has posted a link to the Freespace2 B5 TC.

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  • WORFWORF The Burninator
    [quote]Originally posted by Faylorn:
    [b]But there won't be a non-linear, dynamic B5 Universe with some of the other features that made ItF the stuff of dreams.

    [/b][/quote]

    Won't there?

    *says nothing more and goes back to his sealed room...the one with heavy defences so that no one else can enter*

    hehehe [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]

    Worf

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  • FaylornFaylorn Elite Ranger
    Thanks Randy, I'll take a look at those docs. About the original team reviewing and revising code, models, etc., are you saying that could be interpreted as illegal?

    [quote]WORF:

    Won't there?

    *says nothing more and goes back to his sealed room...the one with heavy defences so that no one else can enter*

    hehehe [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]

    Worf[/quote]

    Hmmm...

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    [i]Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.[/i]
    --Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri

    "Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he eats for a life time. But teach a man to BE a fish, and he can eat himself."
    --Dennis Miller, Dennis Miller Live
  • WORFWORF The Burninator
    *points in the direction of the thirdage website ( [url="http://mods.firstones.com/Thirdage"]http://mods.firstones.com/Thirdage[/url] ) but says nothing*

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    Galen: I dont, I have no surviving enemies...at all

    Ave Primo-Populi (Hail the Firstones)
  • RandyRandy Master Storyteller
    [quote]Thanks Randy, I'll take a look at those docs. About the original team reviewing and revising code, models, etc., are you saying that could be interpreted as illegal?[/quote]

    No. I'm saying that as far as I know we can't give you anything from our design work, or from the artwork that was done by team artists, or from the CGI we got from WB, or sound/music files from Franke.

    I don't know if it would be legally sticky for any of us to comment on whatever anyone else happens to put together from scratch. Seems like a gray legal quagmire to me and I'm not sure that any of the former developers would have the time or interest, even if possible. I think that all but me have been smart enough to be brave, put ITF behind them, move on…but I’m like a junkyard dog guarding his bone – mind you, I’m not saying that’s good. It’s a bit obsessive, if you ask me – even deranged – maybe twisted – probably quite sad, really. LOL.

    On the other hand, over the years, an awful lot has been posted in various threads - not documents - just stuff written in threads here and there by Marc, Dan, myself, John,- especially recently. I don't know if any of that has been archived, but it were all put together in one place...

    No, you’re not going to find the code, but enough about what we were doing so that some of you mad coders out there could figure out how to do the same thing. It’s the conceptualizing up front that made it special – after that, just hard work – not that there wasn’t also intermittent, conniving, blood-letting, hell-bent genius along the way – but you guys can do that.
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    Yeah, like our monster thread. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]

    Ohh did you hear that? One of the Devs admitted he is twisted!

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    Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
    The Balance provides. The Balance protects.

    "Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
  • FaylornFaylorn Elite Ranger
    Legal quagmire, eh? Maybe but if the code was written independently, then reviewed by the original team it would give less grounds to claim IP infringement. This is ignoring that conceptual IP infringement, technically, takes place all the time so no one's too particular unless concrete elements are illegally copied. This is okay, because most FirstOnes' wouldn't mind searching tons of posts to find a conceptual approach to ItF development. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img] The backlash of attacking, what would be, a freeware project must also be considered. Such a move would probably attract outside news agencies.

    About the music though, I've seen that floating around. If I recall, Space Dream Factory used ItF music in their IFH trailer. Is SDF and sites hosting it risking a legal encounter?

    [quote]Randy:

    I think that all but me have been smart enough to be brave, put ITF behind them, move on…but I’m like a junkyard dog guarding his bone – mind you, I’m not saying that’s good. It’s a bit obsessive, if you ask me – even deranged – maybe twisted – probably quite sad, really. LOL.[/quote]

    The signature of a FirstOne - diehard loyalty to a game that was never finished. Welcome to the community. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]

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    --Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri

    "Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he eats for a life time. But teach a man to BE a fish, and he can eat himself."
    --Dennis Miller, Dennis Miller Live

    [This message has been edited by Faylorn (edited 11-26-2001).]

    [This message has been edited by Faylorn (edited 11-26-2001).]
  • Hmm, no dynamic campaign in IFH? seems odd, after all their attention to a certain thread here....and all those questions they have asked... [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]

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  • FaylornFaylorn Elite Ranger
    I dunno, I was under the impression that it was mission based - I don't know where I got that from. Well, if it is a dynamic campaign that's great news - it'll be really close to ItF. If that's true, then someone should get JMS in on the seen. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]

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    [i]Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.[/i]
    --Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri

    "Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he eats for a life time. But teach a man to BE a fish, and he can eat himself."
    --Dennis Miller, Dennis Miller Live
  • Vertigo1Vertigo1 Official Fuzzy Dice of FirstOnes.com
    Randy: What if you stored it on a computer which you "forgot" was connected to the net and "forgot" that it was open for people to download from. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]

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  • Or what if you "accidentally" mailed it to everybody? You could say you mistakenly sent out thousands of copies of the design docs thinking you were really sending "get well" cards or "dear John" letters or other such claptrap. Or better yet, just send them all out and then blame it on Osama bin Laden! It must be some kind of plot to make us all play a game for so long we forget to eat or sleep or drink!

    That dasdardly villian!

    -PMAN
  • RandyRandy Master Storyteller
    What if I accidentally had Gnutella installed on my computer.
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    Well we couldn't blame you if a program such as that infected your machine. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]

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    [b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
    Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
    The Balance provides. The Balance protects.

    "Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
  • We also couldn't blame you if you left your doors and windows unlocked on specific night and some people broke in and took off with your hard drive and whatever was in your fridge that hasn't expired yet.

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  • RandyRandy Master Storyteller
    The stuff in my fridge has been taught to defend itself.
  • PJHPJH The Lovely Thing
    That gotta be Flarn. Flarn sounds like a food that can defend itself. Spoo scares, Flarn kicks asses. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]

    - PJH
  • RandyRandy Master Storyteller
    Not unless Flarn has green hair.
  • PJHPJH The Lovely Thing
    [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/eek.gif[/img]

    [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]

    - PJH
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    I think the flarn has grown sentient mold.

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    [b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
    Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
    The Balance provides. The Balance protects.

    "Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
  • Better destroy it before it develop language skills.

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  • Falcon1Falcon1 Elite Ranger
    [quote]Originally posted by PMAN:
    [b]I've been out of the loop for a very long time. What ever happened to the game after it's cancellation? I remember reading on this site about there being hope, and that the devs had started a company and were trying to aquire the rights to make the game. Was any headway made? Is it dead? Paper or plastic? Finally, if it is dead, are there any plans for other B5 games (besides the mods)?[/b][/quote]

    If you haven't already checked out the little history Biggles compiled, drop by [url="http://www.comedygamer.com"]www.comedygamer.com[/url] and go to the article archives, I wrote an article on how Sierra mucked the game up, called 'A Day in the Life of a Game Cancellation: Brought to you by Sierra Studios'.


    Oh the memories are flooding back again....

    Oh, and Spoo rules! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]

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    [This message has been edited by Falcon1 (edited 11-29-2001).]
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