No apologies here, I enjoyed the episode for the character development, for the further spiral of characters, for the continuing evolution (de-evolution) or characters to an inevitable fate.
Kudos to Bear McCreary. Anyone else notice the melody of Gaeta's song appearing in his scenes, taking on a decidedly darker tone as he descends further into bitterness and hatred?
Call it dull if you like, in terms of character development it was vital. BSG is certainly not dead for my wife and I. Tricia was thrilled when Adama and Roslin ended up in bed together!
Fridays episode did feel disjointed to me. Sure this can be put down to the fleet going down the drain therefore everything is a mess. But it could be the writing getting lost as well. Until we see the next episode we can for now put the latest one down to events rather than sloppy writing/direction. I'll give the writers the benefit of the doubt... for the moment.
With Gaeta its obvious where this is going. When Sky started airing the trailers for this season they had Adama in [Spoiler]a Viper launch bay handcuffed and blindfolded. Plus there was a white patch of cloth on his jacket over the kidney area which looked odd. So looks like a mutiny is coming, which is pretty obvious by now.[/Spoiler]
I found the end with Adama and Roslin in bed a bit bluntly thrown in. It didn't feel right given the episode. Given the nice moments we've seen between the two, most of which have been done really well and have been quite moving/touching, this just didn't work for me. I understand why they put it in but it didn't work.
You really think it's Ellen? j ust because one character says so? have you been following this show at all for the past 4 years? Bet you thought the kid was Galen's too didn't you. BSG has a habit of making you believe one thing, than yanking the rug out from under you.
I'm ok with it being Ellen if thats how it turns out. But with all of Gaeta's anti Cylon blathering lately, don't you think it would be a shock to him to find out he is what he hates?
I think it being Ellen is kind of a letdown personally, even though my wife said she was a Cylon the day she arrived... But we shall see what they do with it.
Billy would have been nice, I agree...although, Tigh and Ellen have kind of an 'Adam and Eve' quality that could work out quite nice if the writers decide to pursue that avenue.
I don't think there is any question that Ellen is a Cylon. The reveal at the end of 4.11 was pretty definitive. What else would Ellen be if she was with Tigh 3k years ago on Earth, if not a Cylon?
I don't quite see why everyone is so defensive when it comes to Ellen being the final Cylon. Sure, the show misdirects, but it never slaps us in the face with a truth and then ignores it completely. Hell, if anything else, the fact that Tigh, one of the Final Five, stated it as truth...I'd believe it. No reason to be all silly about it. Ellen is the final cylon, and the ground is starting to crack. collapse is just 'round the corner. On top of this, nobody has seen or heard from the Cavils in ages. They'll be back.
I'm not defensieve about it, just kind of dissapointed, i find her being the final Cylon to be very anticlimactic, i mean having Billy or Cally return as the final, or having Gaeta lead a huge rebellion because of cylon infiltration only to find out that he is one... that to me just seems a much more poweful storyline, finding out that it's ellen, at this point to me is just,. ."bleh" i'm sure that we will find out more, but at this point in time, i'm just very underwhelmed with the revelation.
Spoiler: I think Gaeta is going to get a bullet in his head before the end of the next episode, so those of us who don't like him anymore (or never did) will get some satisfaction. ;) We'll see.
As for the quality of the show lately, I think it's still great. Granted, many of the episodes have been slower character pieces lately, but that is reasonable considering the situation they're in now. I don't know, maybe I just like drinking the BSG "Kool Aid" but I'm still excited for the final 8 episodes.
I don't see what the big deal with Gaeta is. We're not supposed to like all the characters. Thats the point. Roslin was annoying as hell the first two seasons but that was why she was a great character. After rewatching the first 5 eps of season 3 again it's kind of interesting how Gaeta's attitude, and Zareks fall perfectly into place. Zarek was imprisoned in NC for outright opposing the cylons. He's holding firm to his ideals. This guy really hates collaborators as we saw in that episode ordering summary executions. He's not going to accept another 'peace with the cylons'.
Gaeta was the one guy who took a highly risky stance helping out in NC and nearly got strung up for it. Now it turns out everyone who almost killed him after all he helped them turns out to be the very same people he was fighting against. He's proven to be one of the characters with the strongest morals and only gets shit for it. I think it's a great story that he's still standing firm.
I'm not even sure there is a single likable character in the entire show for the sole reason they are all flawed or fracked up in some way or another. And maybe that's why we like the show so much. :D
I agree. I never really got people who didn't think any of the characters were likable or sympathetic. Sure, they had problems, but who doesn't? I found them a lot more likable for it, as it happens.
It's the characters that make the show and I can't really think of any that I dislike. Sure, some are more interesting than others but that doesn't make me hate them.
I like them all as messed up as they are. Well ok, I actually didn't like Kat. She deserved to die but I think it's just the way the actress played her. Felt substandard compared to the rest of the cast.
Okay, here's a theory I had, based on four pieces of information swirling in my head.
One: There are twelve cylon models. The Significant Seven are numbered from One to Six, plus Eight.
Two: Ron Moore has said the Final Five don't have numbers. Thus, there is no Seventh cylon model.
Three: Aaron Douglas said Ron Moore let him pick which model he was, and he chose to be Number Twelve. Thus, the others in the Final Five would correspond to Seven, Nine, Ten, and Eleven.
Four: [url=http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/01/final-fifth-cylon-ellen-tigh-battlestar-galactica-dualla-dee-.html]An excerpt from two versions of Tyrol's Earth flashback as scripted was posted in this article.[/url] Both the original and the lower-budget version mention that Tyrol catches sight of Sharon (or, at least, an asian woman with long black hair) on the street right before the bomb goes off, though this wasn't apparent to me in the episode as aired.
So, here is my theory, spoiler tagged in case anyone wants to invoke Whedon's law that a correct theory is a retroactive spoiler, and you have to retroactively kill the person who said it.
Spoiler: What if it wasn't originally the Final Five, but the Separate Six? When the Cylons created the human models, the first six were originals (or, at least, lacked memories of Earth), but by coincidence or mistake or design, the last six models ended up being revived Earth Cylons, and most of them resented the hell out of their metallic benefactors and left, going native within the Twelve Colonies. For one reason or another, Sharon decided not to go with her fellows from Earth, and embraced her place in the Colonial Cylons' new society.
It means the Earth Cylons would break down extremely cleanly. Three couples who all knew each other all survive the end of the Earth. It'd fit with Tyrol's relationship with Boomer. It could be foreshadowed (or echoed, depending on how you look at it) by Boomer turning against her model in the Cylon Civil War, just as she turned against the Final Five in the original Cylon split. It'd explain why the Sixes (and everyone else, for that matter. Remember "a [i]lower[/i] demon"?) always gave the Eights shit. They still remembered that they weren't part of the family. It'd explain why the only Cylon we ever saw that was ignorant of her nature and wasn't part of the Final Five was an Eight. And it'd explain why the Final Five and Significant Seven's numbers don't stick together cleanly. I'm inclined to trust Douglas's statement a bit more than Moore's, because Douglas also let slip some other accurate spoilers like Earth being the (well, a) Cylon Homeworld, whereas Moore has demonstrated that he's not above false or misleading statements to preserve surprises (though, now, it appears Starbuck really [i]did[/i] die in "Maelstrom...") And, of course, it's possible that they were both telling the truth, with Moore deciding the Final Five didn't have numbers, but telling Aaron they did so he'd get to enjoy having the highest number.
But, then, I was also sure Roslin was the last Cylon, so what do I know?
Well I'll tell you one thing. Hotdog turning up to be the real daddy of Callies kid looks like it's obviously intentend to get anything that ties tyrol down out of the way so he can eventually reunite with Boomer for good or bad. Whatever is in store for chief very likely involves boomer.
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Kudos to Bear McCreary. Anyone else notice the melody of Gaeta's song appearing in his scenes, taking on a decidedly darker tone as he descends further into bitterness and hatred?
Call it dull if you like, in terms of character development it was vital. BSG is certainly not dead for my wife and I. Tricia was thrilled when Adama and Roslin ended up in bed together!
With Gaeta its obvious where this is going. When Sky started airing the trailers for this season they had Adama in [Spoiler]a Viper launch bay handcuffed and blindfolded. Plus there was a white patch of cloth on his jacket over the kidney area which looked odd. So looks like a mutiny is coming, which is pretty obvious by now.[/Spoiler]
I found the end with Adama and Roslin in bed a bit bluntly thrown in. It didn't feel right given the episode. Given the nice moments we've seen between the two, most of which have been done really well and have been quite moving/touching, this just didn't work for me. I understand why they put it in but it didn't work.
I'm ok with it being Ellen if thats how it turns out. But with all of Gaeta's anti Cylon blathering lately, don't you think it would be a shock to him to find out he is what he hates?
So who was on the baseship and not with the fleet? Adama, Roslin, Helo and Baltar. Oh and a whole bunch of pilots but I doubt it'll be any of them.
Worf
I don't think there is any question that Ellen is a Cylon. The reveal at the end of 4.11 was pretty definitive. What else would Ellen be if she was with Tigh 3k years ago on Earth, if not a Cylon?
Worf
As for the quality of the show lately, I think it's still great. Granted, many of the episodes have been slower character pieces lately, but that is reasonable considering the situation they're in now. I don't know, maybe I just like drinking the BSG "Kool Aid" but I'm still excited for the final 8 episodes.
Gaeta was the one guy who took a highly risky stance helping out in NC and nearly got strung up for it. Now it turns out everyone who almost killed him after all he helped them turns out to be the very same people he was fighting against. He's proven to be one of the characters with the strongest morals and only gets shit for it. I think it's a great story that he's still standing firm.
Well, by flaws I don't mean speeding tickets. :D The flaws they have are not the garden party variety.
Worf
One: There are twelve cylon models. The Significant Seven are numbered from One to Six, plus Eight.
Two: Ron Moore has said the Final Five don't have numbers. Thus, there is no Seventh cylon model.
Three: Aaron Douglas said Ron Moore let him pick which model he was, and he chose to be Number Twelve. Thus, the others in the Final Five would correspond to Seven, Nine, Ten, and Eleven.
Four: [url=http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/01/final-fifth-cylon-ellen-tigh-battlestar-galactica-dualla-dee-.html]An excerpt from two versions of Tyrol's Earth flashback as scripted was posted in this article.[/url] Both the original and the lower-budget version mention that Tyrol catches sight of Sharon (or, at least, an asian woman with long black hair) on the street right before the bomb goes off, though this wasn't apparent to me in the episode as aired.
So, here is my theory, spoiler tagged in case anyone wants to invoke Whedon's law that a correct theory is a retroactive spoiler, and you have to retroactively kill the person who said it.
Spoiler: What if it wasn't originally the Final Five, but the Separate Six? When the Cylons created the human models, the first six were originals (or, at least, lacked memories of Earth), but by coincidence or mistake or design, the last six models ended up being revived Earth Cylons, and most of them resented the hell out of their metallic benefactors and left, going native within the Twelve Colonies. For one reason or another, Sharon decided not to go with her fellows from Earth, and embraced her place in the Colonial Cylons' new society.
It means the Earth Cylons would break down extremely cleanly. Three couples who all knew each other all survive the end of the Earth. It'd fit with Tyrol's relationship with Boomer. It could be foreshadowed (or echoed, depending on how you look at it) by Boomer turning against her model in the Cylon Civil War, just as she turned against the Final Five in the original Cylon split. It'd explain why the Sixes (and everyone else, for that matter. Remember "a [i]lower[/i] demon"?) always gave the Eights shit. They still remembered that they weren't part of the family. It'd explain why the only Cylon we ever saw that was ignorant of her nature and wasn't part of the Final Five was an Eight. And it'd explain why the Final Five and Significant Seven's numbers don't stick together cleanly. I'm inclined to trust Douglas's statement a bit more than Moore's, because Douglas also let slip some other accurate spoilers like Earth being the (well, a) Cylon Homeworld, whereas Moore has demonstrated that he's not above false or misleading statements to preserve surprises (though, now, it appears Starbuck really [i]did[/i] die in "Maelstrom...") And, of course, it's possible that they were both telling the truth, with Moore deciding the Final Five didn't have numbers, but telling Aaron they did so he'd get to enjoy having the highest number.
But, then, I was also sure Roslin was the last Cylon, so what do I know?