There was actually one part I really liked about this episode and its that for the first time since "Downloaded" we FINALLY get to see Boomers situation addressed directly. Up until now it seemed she just casually brushed off her past and accepted what she is, but now you can see the rage and feeling of not really belonging to either side. Caprica Six in colonial custudy also has a lot of interesting possibilities so lets see where than goes. The whole Hera rescue seemed a little over simplified and Adama left Helo off the hook again. I'm not sure why he's even pissed she might reveal tactical info to the cyclons. He knows she can be killed at any time during combat and automatically captured once she downloads. He's really the only one at fault for that for reinstating her and putting her in a position with access to tactical info.
The cliffhanger aspect of the episode was a bit weak. I know they tried to capture that feel of Pegasus where you really didn't know if they where actually going to attack each other but it was obvious Adama was not going to launch the nukes. Its clear he had every intention of doing so but scifi needs to fire the guy doing the previews. As soon as the first part ended in December it was obvious from the preview of this episode right afterwards that there would be no attack. The preview for next week is even worse. It just goes something about Starbuck and Apollo yet again.
I'm a little worried where they are going with these final 5 godly cylons. Its pretty obvious at this point that there is still a sleeper and its a big one. What are the chances one of the mysterious cylon 5 just happened to be a sleeper in the one ship that accidentaly survived because it had crappy computers. The timeframe to introduce sleeper agents really came and passed.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by David of Mac [/i]
[B]The Raptors (probably) have a smaller range than the larger ships. It's possible the rendezvous where the Fleet was was outside their range.
That, or it was much cooler. [/B][/QUOTE]
I'm thinking the later :D Yeah the raptors don't have as much range during their jumps but if the supernova can at most travel at the speed of light they can easily hop out of its range and meet galactica well clear of it or just hopscotch until they meet. Jump coordinates are probably pre-established well before any jumps to make sure no civilian ships are left behind because they couldn't get them due to interference or whatever.
Ok, I got it! One of the Raptors was Starbucks damaged raptor which was probably incapable of jumping and partly piloted by Dualla who is not a pilot, hence all the other raptors might as well land with it. Now I can be happy :D
That bugged the hell out of me. However, the reasoning could be partly as such: Starbuck's raptor could have been FTL negative, and as such needed to be hauled out within the belly of galactica.
Also, it looked badass.
But yeah, it bugged me. It just plain poked at my brain for the remainder of the episode. Kind of annoying, but clearly for the sake of the plot first.
Yeah, I agree, we got a little short-changed in the Hera basestar escape, as well as the Dualla flying a Raptor sequence, but I guess they had to make cuts somewhere. Also not showing Starbuck until the last possible moment did increase the suspense factor a bit. :D
Comparing BSG to ST is just silly, ST has been way too clean and family-friendly over the years to be anywhere close to the grittiness of this show. I'm still not used to the amount of crude violence of BSG. When Helo shot Sharon, it made me quite uncomfortable. I'm still not used to that kind of "entertainment" in a TV show. I guess I need to watch more war footage. Let's see that Saddam hanging again....
I've been wondering about Helo's current path as well. I mean how many more times is he going to put his feelings above the survival of the fleet? Adama has been to soft with him and despite his speech about being soft and letting them get too close, he still hasn't really acted on it. I think for better character development Helo really needs to be punished if he crosses the line again. But then it will probably be 30 days in the brig just like Cally got.
I also agree that comparing BSG to the modern Trek ensemble is a bit broad. Don't get me wrong I like Star Trek but the whole clean cut, moral of the story endings to many episodes used to really bug me. DS9 did get a bit more dark thanks to the Dominion but still they could have pushed it a bit further. BSG doesn't hold back any punches and I like that.
Oh and with the next episode looking like another Apollo/Starbuck "she loves me she loves me not" plucking daisys format, I really wish this puts and end to it. Perhaps Starbucks potential new path may lead to a change.
I wonder if they will find out the Six they captured is the very one responsible for the attacks. Pretty stupid of her top give herself up like that. If she's made no amount of honor will probably hold a lot of people back from wanting to beat the crap out of her Gina style. Also, the way things are going and confirmation of Katee Sackhoff not being in the last 3 episodes even in the credits seems to be an indication she'll be the one to go bye bye soon, but I wonder if thats merely a distraction to my theory that Baltar will get executed. I don't forsee him escaping or being rescued by the cylons, and the colonials sure as hell won't ever let him out of the brig. End of the road for that character?
Probably not, because I have a feeling that the mysterious thirteenth tribe might be (in part or fully) consisting of the last five cylon models (and it really hasn't been confirmed yet whether Baltar is a human or not).
I've also suspected Starbuck being a sleeping cylon since the first few episodes of the series, so it wouldn't come as a surprise to me.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Eclecticonaut [/i]
[B]I've also suspected Starbuck being a sleeping cylon since the first few episodes of the series, so it wouldn't come as a surprise to me. [/B][/QUOTE]
Hmmm... I don't recall seeing a red glowing backbone on Starbuck... and she sure has gotten around. :D
There's no Cylon model that is as frakked up as Starbuck is.... so I find it very unlikely that she's one of them.
Ok, I found another detail that's bugging me, explain this: why are Sharon and Six exiting a raptor on Galactica at the end of the episode? IIRC Sharon died and uploaded on the basestar and then escaped with Six and the baby on a raptor. How was that possible? Did the Cylons have a spare raptor in their hangar bays? :D
You must have missed the line were Six says they have a captured raptor onboard they can use to escape. Its been established before that the cylons have captured raptors they used to infiltrate agents. Remember in Season one where the put the IFF device into the Raptor and send Sharon and Racetrack to enter the Basestar with the Nuke. The plan was that the cylons would assume it was one of their agents returning on one of those raptors. There is actually continuity to that. The glowing backbone however was an idea that was discarded a while back so don't expect any continuity there just because starbucks backbone doesn't glow.
Are you sure it was disgarded? We've seen the glowing backbone in S1 but after that we've not seen the back of any Cylons while they've been having sex.
Judging from the latest podcast, we can stop keeping track of everything. The events we see only need to make dramatic sense.
I guess applying logic doesn't help at all here. Even if the Cylons have raptors, they don't have the equipment to keep them flying or the Chief and his oily crew have been fooling us all along.... wait a minute. :mad:
The glowing backbones were a nice touch though. :( I'm not sure they are gone for good either.
The glowing backbones are pretty much gone and won't be comming back unless there is any good (or no good) reason for it. It was in one of those podcasts where Moore commented in retrospect he thought it was a bad idea. The glowing backbone was certainly a very nice touch that added to the cylon mystery and mystique but all that is pretty much gone and tossed out the window. There is so much known about them and so much intermingling between cylon and human that it makes no more sense anymore. My question is, does Cavils backbone glow when he bangs Ellen Tigh?
RubberEagleWhat's a rubber eagle used for, anyway?
btw, the raptors needed to land on the galactica because the planet is located inside a radiation nebula or something similar. There was a whole episode about the journey there (the one where kat died).
ShadowDancerWhen I say, "Why aye, gadgie," in my heart I say, "Och aye, laddie."London, UK
i just watched it on the train down to edinburgh this afternoon. i thought it was one of the better episodes this season. not the best, but im not complaining. i agree there were lots of parts where it felt like they'd cut loads out, especially at the end where gaeta says something like 'the window for rescue is going to be tight', it cuts to a scene of raptors flying over the surface....then all of sudden they're making combat landings and galactica jumps away. :confused: not really much in the way of suspense.....
^ Haha, now I'm reminded about SG's 200th episode. Swarmed with replictors at the edge of the cliff, and Go'ald at the bottom.. then the next second; "Phew that was close" as they walk into SG Command.:D
Oh, for gods' sakes, the show became "Star Trek: Voyager" when they made Boomer say "I'm a Cylon" just to shove it into misleading ads and episode recaps. Shades of "Captain, I have decided to rejoin the Borg Collective."
FYI, I read an announcement of the scifi boards that there will be a bonus scene next sunday at the very end of the episode so everyone make sure to wait for all the credits to finish and watch till the very end.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by JackN [/i]
[B]*thinks of a line from StarWars Episode 1...
"Now there are two of them..."
:D :p [/B][/QUOTE]
The difference is, I'm sarcastically making fun of him (though I do have a suspicion that the promo people wet themselves with joy when they saw that line in the script, imagining how out of context they could take it). Personally, I think the overall standards here are way too high on everyone's part. I still remember the crapstorm that erupted at a scene in SG-1 where no one noticed the team was wearing new black uniforms, signaling something was amiss. Many people went at the show like rabid dogs, decrying the lack of standards. Depressingly, it continued even after I pointed out that SG-1 had been wearing the "new" black uniforms consistently for fifteen episodes, including in the walk-up in the opening credits (and considering that the shortened title sequence was nothing but the opening walk-up, that excuse didn't fly, either).
It's a short step, in my mind, to go from "Why doesn't anyone think it odd that the alternate universe team is wearing the same uniforms our team has been wearing for three-quarters of the year? This show sucks!" to "The only thing that changed about Starbuck since the miniseries is her hair got longer for a while. This show is worse than Andromeda!" I almost prefer the second one, in fact, since it's justifiable based on actual facts, instead of just [i]feeling[/i] true like the SG-1 bitchfest.
That was just a joke, for now. ;) But saying she was going to die was a joke to use the scene from that Halloween movie she was in where they chop her head off.
Ok sci-fi really needs to get their head out of their bum with the BSG previews. All week they've been showing that lame apollo loves Kara preview. Now just one hour before the show they finally give the the real meaty preview with Baltar and its one of the biggest teasers in a long time. Why the hell didn't they show that since last sunday and actually get people interested in sticking around!
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The cliffhanger aspect of the episode was a bit weak. I know they tried to capture that feel of Pegasus where you really didn't know if they where actually going to attack each other but it was obvious Adama was not going to launch the nukes. Its clear he had every intention of doing so but scifi needs to fire the guy doing the previews. As soon as the first part ended in December it was obvious from the preview of this episode right afterwards that there would be no attack. The preview for next week is even worse. It just goes something about Starbuck and Apollo yet again.
I'm a little worried where they are going with these final 5 godly cylons. Its pretty obvious at this point that there is still a sleeper and its a big one. What are the chances one of the mysterious cylon 5 just happened to be a sleeper in the one ship that accidentaly survived because it had crappy computers. The timeframe to introduce sleeper agents really came and passed.
[B]The Raptors (probably) have a smaller range than the larger ships. It's possible the rendezvous where the Fleet was was outside their range.
That, or it was much cooler. [/B][/QUOTE]
I'm thinking the later :D Yeah the raptors don't have as much range during their jumps but if the supernova can at most travel at the speed of light they can easily hop out of its range and meet galactica well clear of it or just hopscotch until they meet. Jump coordinates are probably pre-established well before any jumps to make sure no civilian ships are left behind because they couldn't get them due to interference or whatever.
Also, it looked badass.
But yeah, it bugged me. It just plain poked at my brain for the remainder of the episode. Kind of annoying, but clearly for the sake of the plot first.
Comparing BSG to ST is just silly, ST has been way too clean and family-friendly over the years to be anywhere close to the grittiness of this show. I'm still not used to the amount of crude violence of BSG. When Helo shot Sharon, it made me quite uncomfortable. I'm still not used to that kind of "entertainment" in a TV show. I guess I need to watch more war footage. Let's see that Saddam hanging again....
I also agree that comparing BSG to the modern Trek ensemble is a bit broad. Don't get me wrong I like Star Trek but the whole clean cut, moral of the story endings to many episodes used to really bug me. DS9 did get a bit more dark thanks to the Dominion but still they could have pushed it a bit further. BSG doesn't hold back any punches and I like that.
Oh and with the next episode looking like another Apollo/Starbuck "she loves me she loves me not" plucking daisys format, I really wish this puts and end to it. Perhaps Starbucks potential new path may lead to a change.
I've also suspected Starbuck being a sleeping cylon since the first few episodes of the series, so it wouldn't come as a surprise to me.
[B]I've also suspected Starbuck being a sleeping cylon since the first few episodes of the series, so it wouldn't come as a surprise to me. [/B][/QUOTE]
Hmmm... I don't recall seeing a red glowing backbone on Starbuck... and she sure has gotten around. :D
There's no Cylon model that is as frakked up as Starbuck is.... so I find it very unlikely that she's one of them.
Worf
I guess applying logic doesn't help at all here. Even if the Cylons have raptors, they don't have the equipment to keep them flying or the Chief and his oily crew have been fooling us all along.... wait a minute. :mad:
The glowing backbones were a nice touch though. :( I'm not sure they are gone for good either.
"Now there are two of them..."
:D :p
Check out the Season 3 gag reel. This is by far the funniest one yet! Watch it before it gets taken down.
[B]*thinks of a line from StarWars Episode 1...
"Now there are two of them..."
:D :p [/B][/QUOTE]
The difference is, I'm sarcastically making fun of him (though I do have a suspicion that the promo people wet themselves with joy when they saw that line in the script, imagining how out of context they could take it). Personally, I think the overall standards here are way too high on everyone's part. I still remember the crapstorm that erupted at a scene in SG-1 where no one noticed the team was wearing new black uniforms, signaling something was amiss. Many people went at the show like rabid dogs, decrying the lack of standards. Depressingly, it continued even after I pointed out that SG-1 had been wearing the "new" black uniforms consistently for fifteen episodes, including in the walk-up in the opening credits (and considering that the shortened title sequence was nothing but the opening walk-up, that excuse didn't fly, either).
It's a short step, in my mind, to go from "Why doesn't anyone think it odd that the alternate universe team is wearing the same uniforms our team has been wearing for three-quarters of the year? This show sucks!" to "The only thing that changed about Starbuck since the miniseries is her hair got longer for a while. This show is worse than Andromeda!" I almost prefer the second one, in fact, since it's justifiable based on actual facts, instead of just [i]feeling[/i] true like the SG-1 bitchfest.
And that's my rant for the day.
[B]Yeah, I miss when the show wasn't [i]Star Trek: Voyager[/i]. [/B][/QUOTE]
Fair enough. :D
[B][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdmo_KCsutI&NR[/url]
Check out the Season 3 gag reel. This is by far the funniest one yet! Watch it before it gets taken down. [/B][/QUOTE]
Spoiler: I just finished watching it. Is Starbuck really a Cylon or was was the actress just messing with us?
EDIT: Fixed tag.