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Gah, am I the only one that gets ANGRED when I read stuff like this?
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They are their OWN KIDS for petes sake! Then I see all these people saying they need "Psycological treatment, not prison" GAH. :mad:
Screw it, they should just be lined up and shot for this. I don't want my tax dollars going to feed and shelter them in prison! (That said, I'd gladly buy two bullets for the firing squad)
THIS is why I'm in favor of the death penelty.
ARGH.
They are their OWN KIDS for petes sake! Then I see all these people saying they need "Psycological treatment, not prison" GAH. :mad:
Screw it, they should just be lined up and shot for this. I don't want my tax dollars going to feed and shelter them in prison! (That said, I'd gladly buy two bullets for the firing squad)
THIS is why I'm in favor of the death penelty.
ARGH.
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And this is the worst bunch. You take a drivers licence so you dont destroy peoples lives by crashing into them, but no licence is needed to destroy your own childrens lives.
Yeah, Im angry too, but not over the same things as you.
Yes, I am.
But then there is the whole "I'm Human" part in there.
In general, you'll find I'm one of the most forgiving, patient, and accepting people out there. I've been told that by dozens of people, and aside from my general craziness, it's the thing people notice most about me.
BUT. I'm also human, and there are things that set me off. I'd say the single largest thing is child abuse. That gets me upset pretty easily, and in rare instances, actually angry. I LOVE kids, shoot, even the annoying crying ones. So stuff like this makes me really really angry.
So to answer your question, yes, I am supposed to forgive them, but right now I find myself incapable. (Which is also a sin I might add...)
I think part of it is that not only did these parents do that (BTW, what would the PHYSICAL ramifications of being raped at 3 years olf be?!?!) but that some of the first responces I see is "These parents need psycological aid, not prison" ..... bullshit. Lock them up. I'll go down to just lock them up and pray they find God, so they have a chance. But...Grrr...I wish we had a harsher judicial system for these types of crimes...
There's also the fact that death penalty doesn't really do much except make us law-abiding, righteously angry folk feel better, getting our vengeance cloaked in civilization and law. Does anyone these people, sick as they were, would've been stopped by the thought that, "If someone catches me (and they probably will), I could be executed?"
No, of course not. If people thought like that, we wouldn't have crime of any sort.
And to be honest, it isn't right of me to want to damn them to hell for their crimes. I'm not going to argue for killing them, I think they deserve it, but at the same time it is wrong of me to want that.
still...it DOES make me angrey, and if I saw these people in person I'd be very tempted to do something to simply remove their ability to reproduce....or have sex....ever again.
Shooting's too good for them. Having them fixed might be the answer. Having the kids put in caring foster care never to be seen again by these vile examples of how low humanity can get is the only action now.
As mentioned the best answer is to find out WHY this happens (hence the psychiatric help) so systems can be set up to PREVENT further harm.
Just locking them away will solve this one, but not the next.
Simple answer?
Some people are scum. It's that simple. You can do the whole "Their parents abused them in THIS way so they turned out THAT way" ... doens't matter. Unless your in favor of a massivly over controling government that controls every single action you do and takes away your ability to do anything you WANT to do (aka: V For Vendetta) ...
So I still say lock em up and throw away the key. You are not going to fix the problem, ever. You can solve some of the possible causes (porn, for example. Peoples ability to communicate via the internet for another...) but that would be stripping of freedoms, which causes other problems.
Point is, it's not a problem we can SOLVE. The PROBLEM is that we live in an amoral scociety that begs people to behave in a perverse manner. I imagine in another 10 years having sex with a minor won't be an issue at all. [url=http://www.afa.net/AA071906_04.asp]Hell, they are already trying to pass legislature that makes it legal for a teacher to screw their students/ [/url]
This is just phase 2 IMHO.
I am not a Freudian psychologist and most arnt, get over it.
There very deep set psychological and biological mechanisms established that prevent this kind of thing from happening. One that I know of is that the people regularly faced by an infant for their first few months of life will be embedded as family and will not develop sexual attraction to them for the remainder of their life. (This same imprinting works in reverse obviously)
For something like this to happen requires a failure of these mechanisms in the mother, something powerful enough to override it, or both. Abuse does quite often propagate through families, I learned about the exact process but my notes are a bit away.
Considering the state of her photograph there are probably a wide assortment of factors which contributed to this which none of us here have the full story to, but I am quite sure many of these factors could have been prevented or intervened.
What needs to happen is her children adopted (the foster system in many places is not exactly what I consider healthy for a child, but I suppose anything will be better than what we went through).
The only thing locking her away will do is make YOU feel better and will do NOTHING to help future children. In all reality that kind of mentality is nothing but selfish and puts your priorities over others which, while as not as severe, is quite similar to what she did
So, I take it you then would support "big brother" cameras in every room of your house, covering just about every foot of the country? Because that is in effect, what you are stating.
And she shouldn't HAVE children. So it doesn't effect future generations at all. Her KIDS need help, the PARENTS need to be taken out of scociety one way or the other.
You really have no idea what I am talking about. You are stuffing words in my mouth when I gave no indication of a UK big brother style.
Now once you stop being ignorant I'll explain in better detail what I am talking about.
Not only will I buy the bullets, I will pull the fucking trigger myself those sick sons of bitches. Hell, Ill even save them an extra $500 and use my Glock.
My daughter is 5. She is a child, innocent and fragile. Her greatest sadness should only be when daddy is working late and cant tuck her in. The very idea of someone hurting my daughter sends me into a rage. You guys might honestly see a father off on a killing spree if anything ever happened to her.
That someone could do that to any child makes me sick. To their own child? What kind of fucking monster are you?
Those children are scarred for the rest of their life, they will have to live with this.
If you just shoot the parents, then for them it's over (unless, of course there is some kind of afterlife and hell).
Do I believe any attempt to enact a method of testing said threshold would result in irreparable harm to society as a whole? Yes
Therein lies the paradox. Setting minimum standards for parenthood would improve the lives of children and in turn, the whole of society, but would leave the door open for an unprecedented level of classism, racism and prejudges in society. This does not even including the impracticality of policing such controls.
Jake
Suching a program would cost a good bit of money which means more taxes.
[B]Some people are scum. It's that simple. You can do the whole "Their parents abused them in THIS way so they turned out THAT way" ... doens't matter. [/B][/QUOTE]
Wasnt there an article about a father who began having headaches and at the same time started looking at child porn and such, and when they examined him, they found he had a tumor. They took out the tumor, and the person was normal again.
Then the headaches began, and his abnormal behaviour as well. It turned out the tumor had returned, and after operating him the second time, he is now normal again.
So, there is definitely something wrong with these people that can be made right. There is definitely something we can do to prevent people like that from having children. At least until one can guarantee they will not have such behaviour during the time the children grow up.
I dont have any sympathy for such people. But the example above shows that its not all black and white.
I'm certain that if we look at all pedifiles, we'll find some common brain tumor for their behavior, same for all gays, lesbians, rapist, murderers and habitual liers.
yep. darn'tootin positive.:rolleyes:
Okay, here's what I don't get, A. You say that some people are simply "scum." Irredeemably bad by nature. Yet, when the suggestion is made that this sort of despicable behavior might, in some cases, have a definitive physical cause, you scoff. So what explanation do you have for deviant behavior? It can't be choice, otherwise, any one of us would've considered pedophile, rape, murder, and running for public office on the Republican ticket (kidding!). And if you won't consider it being physical, so that pretty much rules out any possible cause.
I find it odd that you think that someone's thinking becoming screwed up as a result of a malignant growth on their gray matter is so unbelievable. The brain is an organ just like any other, and, if damaged, it can begin malfunctioning.
[B]Tell me to my face that I have a brain tumor and that I am just as bad as a rapist and murderer. [/B][/QUOTE]
Note the ":rolleyes: " smilie...meaning that a brain tumor isn't going to cause those listed things to happen. I'm not saying it CAN'T be the cause in some RARE instances, but I gurentee you thats in the 0.0000000000001% range , if that.
But yes, I do concider being gay devient behavior. Though I like how you picked out "Rapist and murderers" out of the whole lot of variations of devient behavior being listed...wait...was that an attempt to get me to say something like "Why yes, you ARE as bad as a rapist and murderer"? Well....sorry, did'nt work.
(On a simuler note though, I belive that a single unforgiven sin is enough to send a person to hell, so that makes all sins equal, whether it be a bad thought or murder...heh :) )
Why are people so darn messed up. Lets see...
In many cases, their parents, or other bad influences on them. Of course that can screw someone up pretty bad. (Although it is NOT the governments job to monitor every single parent in the world)
a large part of it is just living in an amoral scociety, but oh well...thats not changing anytime soon.
As for the whole "choice" part, darn toon'in it IS a choice. They KNOW what they were doing is wrong, yet they made the choice to do so. I belive the same for murderers, rapist, etc. People control their own actions, the type of person you are determines which actions to carry out, and which courses of action even come to mind.
Frankly, and you can mark my words, we're going to be seeing ALOT more screwed up stuff happening in the future as our scociety becomes more and more amoral. It's just the way things will be unless a major change happens. We've been wittenessing it in our own lifespans, and I only see it getting worse.
[Frankly, and you can mark my words, we're going to be seeing ALOT more screwed up stuff happening in the future as our scociety becomes more and more amoral. It's just the way things will be unless a major change happens. We've been wittenessing it in our own lifespans, and I only see it getting worse. [/B][/QUOTE]
You are making the rediculous assumption that society was at one point "more" moral than it is today. I argue that it is quite the opposite, that for all the press coverage of bad things, for all the Chicken Littles claiming the sky is falling, that we as a society, have become a more moral and caring that any point in human history. This is not a 5 or 10 year trend, but a trend that has taken many centuries to establish itself.
Long-term evidence: I point to the abolition of institutional slavery and the general better position of women in society (in the west anyway), the advent of social programs and the continued spread of citizen-lead governments.
Short term evidence: The fact that communities no longer cover up the wrong doings of its members, but expose them. Take this case and move it back 50 years. It more than likely would have been ignored by authorities, and especially neighbours. More short term evidence - the democratization of information. Even the general reaction the community in the light of mutual problems, such as the most recent NY blackout (especially when compared to the previous major blackout).
Of course this isn't the most compelling of evidence, but I think it goes a long way to disproving the notion that society is heading "downhill fast".
Jake
Before Joe farmer needed things from Bob Smith who needed things from Randy Tailer, who needed things from...
in short, there was a community, meaning other people in your home that would have noticed things like this, meaning people had to be on better behavior, as they were under scruitney by their neighbors.
Sure, there were isolationist then to...the old people that lived up on the hill that everyone things are a little odd...