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NASA under attack
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[url]http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2006/02/04/outrage-at-attacks-on-nasa-science/[/url]
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"Ahhh arrogance and stupidity all the same package, how very efficient of you." -Londo
:mad:
Guess I was wrong.
That said, looks like he is just being over politically correct...yet everyone goes up in flames.
I'm starting to draw alot of simularities between Islam and Librals, is that a bad thing?
(Fer instance, the cartoons of Mohammud...Islamic nations go up in flames. Yet toss a painting of Christ in a pile of cow shit and call it art, and you will get some fire, but not like what you would get if you tossed Mohammud in the same spot.
Same for this case. Call all ID believers a bunch of flaming idiots, smite us, ignore our beliefs, tell us we can't pray here or there, we cannnot SHARE our beliefs and force yours on us and label it fact. No major backlash. But woe to the person that even QUESTIONS evolution, BREAK OUT THE TOUCH AND PITCHFORKS!!! Lets get 10,000,000 people to go smash him and get him fired for doing his bloody job! )
Gah.
Seriously, if he didn't ask them to put "Theory" behind it, then they have a potential PR blitz...Everyone here can agree it is "THEORY"
Bah. I should just leave this place. There are only what? two other people that actually seem to tolerate ideas other then there own.
You know what? I Will. Bye all
Thank you Sanfam, Biggles, JackN, Vertigo, Rick, Tyvar and Messaiah for all the good times.
But this place is dead. Nothing but political bs anymore.
So lets not make this into another failed debate thread and move on, 'kay?
Anyways, I got some small issues calling it the big bang, because it creates (as well all seen) false ideas of what actually happened. It wasn't so much a bang (which implies something happening in space, which didn't exist) as a period of very rapid expansion.
[B]Bah. I should just leave this place. There are only what? two other people that actually seem to tolerate ideas other then there own.
You know what? I Will. Bye all
Thank you Sanfam, Biggles, JackN, Vertigo, Rick, Tyvar and Messaiah for all the good times.
But this place is dead. Nothing but political bs anymore. [/B][/QUOTE]
A#, I'm not sure why you are so upset by this, the statements had little to with any one person's beliefs, but a frustration of the institutionalization of those beliefs. This was not an attack on you or your belief structure.
In addition, I believe this forum has been specifically apolitical as of late. Several news items and world events have passed with little mention (such as the Muslim anger at those illustrations) and in days past would have been the source of three or four pages of discussion.
Jake
[B]You know, for some strange reason, I thought the Big Bang was the one thing both ID and Evolutionist hold common ground on...
Guess I was wrong.
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No your not... ;)
It's just a major disagreement about who/what started it and exactly how long it took! :D
Seriously though, I don't believe NASA should be shouldered with some kind of political responsibility to preach one way or the other. There business should be presenting the data for everyone else to argue over...
:)
Any way you look at it NASA has had WAY too much political BS involved in its affairs one direction or the other.
A2597, you know I have basic ID beliefs, but even I approach a scientific argument from facts. If you ask me for my opinion, that's when you'll get the rest of the mix...
;)
[url]http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2006/02/07/deutsch-resigns-from-nasa/[/url]
Looks like he lied about his schooling too
[QUOTE] Bah. I should just leave this place. There are only what? two other people that actually seem to tolerate ideas other then there own.
You know what? I Will. Bye all
Thank you Sanfam, Biggles, JackN, Vertigo, Rick, Tyvar and Messaiah for all the good times.
But this place is dead. Nothing but political bs anymore.
[/QUOTE]
Of the 23 active threads on the first page, only one is political.
I think there may be other things going on here.
A2597, is everything ok? Sure we've had some disagreements, but I'm not seeing any reason to bail out here. Besides, do you want [i]me[/i] to have the last word? ;-)
I really do worry about where the US is going. I don't recall Democrates being this way when in power? I'm not 100% up to date on the two parties but have Republicians always been this "radical/extremest" in their policies. They seem rather extreme to me.
Id rather see NASA being an apolitical institution, but its not. This doesnt surprise me, sure, I get annoyed, but hey, thats what the world is like, and you just have to accept that, unless youre willing to step in and change it yourself..
[B]Id rather see NASA being an apolitical institution, but its not. This doesnt surprise me, sure, I get annoyed, but hey, thats what the world is like[/B][/QUOTE]Sure they have limited availability of results and information for example when moon race was going but this is similar to religious censorship or that one practised in dictatorships.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by AnlaShok [/i]
[B]Besides, do you want [i]me[/i] to have the last word?[/B][/QUOTE]No need for it, he did it himself by saying it's ok for us to go to church and start teaching science and tell the priest to shut up if he tries to interfere.
[B]I'm starting to draw alot of simularities between Islam and Librals, is that a bad thing?[/B][/QUOTE]
It's not liberals that go around bombing abortion clinics.
It is extremists. There are extremists on all sides: Islamic extremeists (called terrorists). Conservitive extremists (ie abortion bombers). Liberal extremists (ie ecoterrorists). Every mindset and culture has their extremists, and they don't represent the whole.
At the same time every group has their intollerant members, and you can't claim that conservatives don't. Just look at some of those televangilists.
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A, the problem you see that "everyone is intollerant" here is becuase your views are so extreme that no one can associate with them. We are mostly of a scientific mind. You are of an anti-science mind (as seen in some of your defenses of intelligent design). This puts you at the polar opposite of what people are here. If you bothered to read the article it wasn't just about "Theory" being appended after "Big Bang" which in itself isn't wrong. It's about other censorship as well, such as climate scientists being banned from speaking about their research. Such as quotes being taken out of context to support the idea that NASA was already working on the "moon mission" when it wasn't.
--RC