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Science no longer science in Kansas schools
Biggles
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[quote]In addition, the board rewrote the definition of science, so that it is no longer limited to the search for natural explanations of phenomena.[/quote]
[quote]In addition, the board rewrote the definition of science, so that it is no longer limited to the search for natural explanations of phenomena.[/quote]
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Do tell...what is a Darwin fundamentalist?
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Biggles [/i]
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So will they be explaining how Brahma created the world under command from Vishnu?
or any one of dozens of other creation theories?
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Alaric [/i]
[B]So will they be explaining how Brahma created the world under command from Vishnu?
or any one of dozens of other creation theories? [/B][/QUOTE]
Brahmin?
Oy! We talking about those two headed cows from Fallout?
Poor cows.. always some jerks tipping them over..
hehehe... *tip tip*
the poor children.
[Rant] I want to say so much more, I want go on a long diatribe on the ignorance and misguided attempts to hijack science education to teach religion, but I'm tired. I tired of the of lack of common sence in this world. I'm tired of the minority attempting impose their will on the majority. I tired of those who feel voilence is an acceptable path to resolution. I have so much more to say, but I'm just plain tired...
[i] I think this is going to be a rough morning[/i][/rant]
Jake
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Damn, some of their photoshops are funny...
Jake
So what exactly is their brilliantly progressive new approach to science eh? Oh I know, "science is now the search for goodfacts that uphold the absolute truth of creation as told in the bible." :rolleyes:
"The universe is to complex to have come about naturally"
Give it a few billion years and i don't know, i think something pretty complex could come out of it.
You all may be tired of extremist christians pushing their agenda, but the other side is just as tired of not having equal access.
;)
[B]If the pendulum swings too far in either direction, no one benefits...
You all may be tired of extremist christians pushing their agenda, but the other side is just as tired of not having equal access.
;) [/B][/QUOTE]
This isn't about "equal access," Jack. It's about teaching stuff in science classes that isn't science. Also, what Curz said.
That said, I disagree that religious groups should be allowed significant access to public schools systems. Things such as an after hours bible study, or a congregation using a school structure for worship on an off-day are fine, but religion has no place dictating curriculum. Can religion be part of a curriculum? Sure, as long as it’s balanced among a reasonable cross-section of faiths
As most have pointed out, one of the more problematic areas is not the questioning of evolution, ideally all theories get questioned at some point, its the rewriting of the definition of science the is problematic. By this new explanation, not only does it allow for the teaching of intelligent design, it allows the use of the supernatural to explain all sorts of pheromone, such as like hauntings or spirits.
Jake
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Alaric [/i]
[B]So will they be explaining how Brahma created the world under command from Vishnu?
or any one of dozens of other creation theories? [/B][/QUOTE]
Don't count on it... Although I'd forgive them if the Kansas school board omitted the ancient Egyptian theory of creation. Ikky. ;)
[B]Can religion be part of a curriculum? Sure, as long as it’s balanced among a reasonable cross-section of faiths [/B][/QUOTE]
That's how it works here.
Also, what Biggles and Curz said.
Badastronomy's take on it: [url]http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2005/11/08/kansas-school-board-once-again-opts-to-crush-childrens-futures/[/url]
Besides, why are we pointing at Kansas and saying it's the dark ages? Most of the people on this forum would be the first to say the US can't interfere in the affairs of other nations (read: Iraq, North Korea, Iran, etc), but a sovereign state makes a controversial decision, and Americans and citizens of other nations alike all jump on their high horses and talk down to these ignorant neocons. After all, we all know that the teaching of intelligent design as an *alternative* theory is going to lead to hordes of Christian fundamentalists who will be snared by the Bush draft and sent to invade Europe. About time, I say.
yup, you read that right. There are no such thing as species in nature.
Species are an artifical construct created by us because our brains demand compartmentalized organization to understand the universe. What we know of as species is simply snapshots of different organisms in time.
[B][Lots of stuff][/B][/QUOTE]
[list=1][*][url]http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/[/url]
[*]You'll note that we're saying Kansas is stupid and wrong, not rushing in there with an army (of "darwin fundamentalists" or anything else). Noone's ever complained about any nation saying what they want about another that I can recall.
[*]If you think we're opposed to this because we're afraid it'll lead to lots of christian fundamentalists that Bush can use as an army... well that's just plain wrong. It sounds like something you've made up to try and make anyone opposed to ID being taught in science classes look like a crazed lunatic out of touch with reality. It also shows that you've completely missed the main complaint here.[/list]
[B]Species don't exist.
yup, you read that right. There are no such thing as species in nature.
Species are an artifical construct created by us because our brains demand compartmentalized organization to understand the universe. What we know of as species is simply snapshots of different organisms in time. [/B][/QUOTE]
dog is a species, cat is a species, human is a species.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species[/url]
[B]Show me evidence of speciation. Darwin's theories hold that, for evolution to happen the way he says it does, that at some point itty bitty changes (like those seen in the lengths of beaks of finches on whatever island) lead to the creation of entirely different species. Now, go ahead and tell me that there's really no evidence of it happening, but we've got these pretty fossils and eventually if the finches were to breed for a billion years it's conceivable that they'd make a new species (ie one that was unable to breed with other finches). Now, by doing that, aren't we making a leap of faith? Aren't we looking at circumstancial data and making gross assumptions that no human being in their lifetime will ever be able to reproduce in a laboratory or observe in the wild? When you look at it like that it's just as "perposterous" as creationism. Well I've looked at the data and come to my own conclusion. I dare you to show me an experiment that can prove to me otherwise. Otherwise all of this remains conjecture, and intelligent design has just as much basis in fact as what they teach in schools today.
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The only thing I can come up with right now is an experiment with a species of salmon that went extinct in the USA. Another species of salmon was introduced from Canada, and in just a few years, the new species had taken on several characteristics of the old species. Evolution in just a few generations.
Live in fear of the coming of the Great White Handkerchief
The thing we must always remind ourselves is that species, atoms, gravity are [i]models[/i], not absolute truths.
Species is a word to describe the difference between two beings, and that they are too separate to create a fertile progeny. That difference is, nonetheless, a truth.
[B]The Universe was sneezed out of the nose of a being called the Great Green Arkleseizure.
Live in fear of the coming of the Great White Handkerchief [/B][/QUOTE]
I'm with him! :D