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Star Trek: Enterprise cancelled?
Mundane
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Tycoon Guy writes "There seems to be no avoiding it this season: TrekToday is reporting that the Enterprise production crew has been told they will all be fired in March, after completing filming on another four episodes. If true, that leaves only very little time to participate in the Save Enterprise campaign. But even if Enterprise is cancelled, all may not be lost: Rick Berman said today he's working on a new Trek feature film that will have "a larger scope and budget" than ever."
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mundane [/i]
[B]Rick Berman said today he's working on a new Trek feature film that will have "a larger scope and budget" than ever." [/B][/QUOTE]
Oh no...
[SIZE=4]Fuck.[/SIZE]
Why don't they just let it die? It's an awful show, and just because it's Star Trek is no reason to keep it alive. It's trash. It's a stain on the good name of the Franchise, and it's been looking as if it's never going to improve. Clearly there's *cough* one or two *cough* elements *cough berman* holding things back *cough braga* that nobody wants to admit *cough*. Oh dear, I seem to have become ill at the thought of another b&b *cough fire them* production...
Star Trek doesn't need a big budget. It doesn't need big names, or a large scope. It needs NONE of that. What it needs is quality writing from someone who still respects the universe. Quality writing from somebody who *has not* written for trek before.
Couldn't have put it better myself Sanfam.
Enterprise maybe have been watchable if it didn't stick to the usual star trek story lines. E.g. Shuttle crashes and of course the good old plot thats in every season about 5 times, time travel!
The thing i never liked about it though was the fact it was a prequal in a universe where all important events where pretty much covered. So a whole load of new aliens we have never even heard of before get introduced.
If your gonna do a universe that will involve a prequal give JMS a ring, at least he will think it through before writing anything.
Enterprise blows, Manny Coto is a fan boy trying to tie up the loose ends he wants to see instead of concentrating on good stories. Do you know they just finished post-production on a 3 episode mini-arc that will explain away a budgetary issue with TOS???
They did a THREE EPISODE ARC on Klignon forhead ridges. WTF? WHY? I know why the Klignons in Kirks time didnt have ridges, because Gene didnt have any money in 1966!
just stupidity...
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By Christian
January 18, 2005 - 5:20 PM
Enterprise showrunner Manny Coto today denied a rumour that crew members had already been told of the show's cancellation.
"It's another inane rumour," Coto told TrekToday. "Right now, the crew is building the sets for episodes 20-21, which I'm writing. Rick [Berman] and Brannon [Braga] are writing episode 22, which is going to be fantastic!"
British science fiction magazine SFX today suggested that Enterprise was on the brink of cancellation, after its longtime source 'Trekspy' reported the production crew would be laid off in March and the Enterprise season might be shortened to 20 episodes. Although Trekspy has an extensive track record going back to the days of Star Trek: Voyager, it appears he was wrong in this case. "As to the crew being let go in March," Coto said, "we've always been scheduled to finish production in March!"
As to the remainder of the current fourth season, Coto also denied rumours that Enterprise would be limiting itself to just bottle shows. "In the second half of the season, you can expect this: Stories that take place on Andoria, a Klingon moon, Romulan outposts, Romulan Marauders, Orion Privateers, Earth's Moon, Mars, a Constitution-class Federation starship and more. And you'll see a live Tholian... and a Gorn."
"As to whether or not we'll be back for Season 5," Coto continued, "that's always been up in the air. We'll see what the future brings."
[B]Enterprise showrunner Manny Coto today denied a rumour that crew members had already been told of the show's cancellation.[/B][/QUOTE]
That's good wording. :D
[B]It needs NONE of that. What it needs is quality writing from someone who still respects the universe. Quality writing from somebody who *has not* written for trek before. [/B][/QUOTE]
What it needs, is to be off the air for a decade...
i dunno how many of you remember "the time of no trek" as an impressionable kid in the mid to late 70's i got to watch Trek during one of its most popular times After the cancelation of the orig series, during the rebroadcasts. then the movies came, and we loved them, we were So hungry for new trek, that even though the first movie wasn't great, it was still new trek, the first new trek of my lifetime, then TWOK came out, and it was good, and there was much rejoicing (without having to eat any minstrels), THIS was what trek was supposed to be, then we had more movies, every couple years, until '87, when TNG was coming, some were excited some were not, TNG turned out to be good, and we've had trek saturating the airwaves nonstop ever since. its time to give it a rest, let people live with nothing but repeats and the occasional movie for the next 10 years, 15 years, get people hungry for new TV trek again like they were in the mid 80's, then, come back and wow them with GOOD writing.
That IMHO, is how to make trek popular again, make it popular, by putting it away for a while.
I know spiritone, then what would happen to that classic line in DS9?
"We don't discuss it with outsiders"
Know thats some good writing
[B][...] a Constitution-class Federation starship [..][/B][/QUOTE]
:eek: I'm very interested in how they make that look or even possible... (when there isn't even a federation yet)
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Enterprise showrunner Manny Coto today denied a rumour that crew members had already been told of the show's cancellation.
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So what she's saying is she knows its been cancelled, but the show's crew doesn't. Am I reading that right?
[B]Enterprise blows, Manny Coto is a fan boy trying to tie up the loose ends he wants to see instead of concentrating on good stories.
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Explaining loose ends? In a [i]prequel?[/i] That hack! That rat bastard! God forbid someone create a prequel to explain how things came to be in a story! Damn, next they'll be explaining why Darth Vader came about. [i]Because you needed a fucking villain, George, that's why! Who is [b]so damned dense[/b] they need basic drama explained to them?![/i]
There is absolutely no reason why having a prequel do its job would preclude telling good stories. It is entirely possible to do both. It's unfortunate that it couldn't have been more balanced, rather than stuffing all the loose-end-tying elements into one season, but it's better than another year of anomalies of the week.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Random Chaos [/i]
[B]So what she's saying is she knows its been cancelled, but the show's crew doesn't. Am I reading that right? [/B][/QUOTE]
Given that "she" is a he, that it isn't a direct quote, you may well not be. It could just be some odd grammar on the part of the writer of the article. Since the original statement isn't public, we can't be sure.
[B]Explaining loose ends? In a [i]prequel?[/i] That hack! That rat bastard! God forbid someone create a prequel to explain how things came to be in a story! [/B][/QUOTE]
Thats right take a portion of my quote and not the whole thing. He is trying to link Enterprise to TOS by introducing canon of things thare really dont need to be done. Manny is just too much of a fan to be in charge of the business. Its just not a good idea story wise.
Personally, I dont want an episode that explains why Gene didnt have enough money to give the Klignons forhead ridges in TOS. Its stupid.
[B][...] Manny is just too much of a fan to be in charge of the business. Its just not a good idea story wise.
Personally, I dont want an episode that explains why Gene didnt have enough money to give the Klignons forhead ridges in TOS. Its stupid. [/B][/QUOTE]
Well, one problem is that the dialogue in DS9 made it a fact that during TOS klingons looked differently.
Does the "we are going to explain why klingons didn't have bumpy foreheads" storyline sound stupit? yes. But so did the "We'll make a story arc with Brent Spiner guest starring as Dr. Soongs ancestor" thing, and it was actually quite enjoyable.
And the "We are going to explain why the Vulcans in TOS behaved differently than the ones in ENT" wasn't that boring either.
granted, neither was very ambitious or "literary", but they were [i]entertaining[/i].
And Except for the last episode i actually liked EVERY Episode of this season (that i can remember), so let's give Mr. Coto a chance before we tear and feather him...
[B]But why is Andromeda in the fifth season....... :rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]
I dont know.
[B]Thats right take a portion of my quote and not the whole thing...
Personally, I dont want an episode that explains why Gene didnt have enough money to give the Klignons forhead ridges in TOS. Its stupid. [/B][/QUOTE]
You're taking a portion of the plot of a TV show and not the whole thing. One good turn deserves another.
You're acting as if they're going to spend three episodes doing nothing but showing Gene Roddenberry in 1977 saying, "Hey, lets make the Klingons look cooler in the movie!" I mean, sure, you can say that a storyline stemming from production realities is inherently moronic, lazy fanwanking. And that may be so, though I find it odd to hear on a board centered around a TV show where the main character was fired after a year and had to be brought back in a convoluted time-travel guest spot so all the foreshadowing would still make sense.
I just don't see what's so wrong about a storyline involving species-wide mutation. Especially when it became a matter of fact thanks to DS9, and not just something that could be ignored because of changing budgets.
Look at it this way: Would you have the same problem is it was a three-episode arc that culminated in, say, species-wide sterility for the Suliban? Is the only issue with these episodes (which no one here, I might add, has actually seen) the original inspiration? Even if it isn't, keep in mind that "Doctor McCoy accidentally gets high and changes the end of World War II" doesn't sound like a winning episode either, at first glance.
Besides, are they then going to explain why the Andorians look so stupid compared to Shran?? How about the Romulans started getting some forhead "wings" in TNG and post TNG Movies? Or how about any other race that recieved a slight modification to their appearance between the 1960's and now?
They are going to have a Gorn in an upcoming episode, that sounds cool, but they also are going to make the gorn CG, so it will undoubtedly not look as crappy as Kirks Gorn. Telleraites are also coming up in an Ent episode, are they going to the TOS cheap special effects for them too? Or have a story to explain it?
It just doesnt make sense, I dont care what Worf said in a humerous episode of DS9.
Enterprise is on the verge of cancellation, they are about to have a ratings battle with scifi channels SG/BSG night. Instead of concentrating on improving the stories and making an impact in the Trek Universe, we are getting stories that explain a monetary makeup change.
Its the end of Trek as we know it, and it feels fine.
[B]Enterprise is on the verge of cancellation, they are about to have a ratings battle with scifi channels SG/BSG night. Instead of concentrating on improving the stories and making an impact in the Trek Universe, we are getting stories that explain a monetary makeup change.
Its the end of Trek as we know it, and it feels fine. [/B][/QUOTE]
I soooooooooo totally agree.
Enterprise CANNOT compete with BSG, I consider myself to be an avid StarTrek fan, but the new BSG owns it. I have seen all of the aired episodes of Enterprise and BSG and all I can say is that there is NO comparison between the quality of the shows. Enterprise has just plain been boring this season, except for the Vulcan mini-arc, last season was good, but BSG has been balls to the wall since the mini. And for the people that are just starting to see the series, prepare for some of the best TV (not only SciFi, but drama as well) that you have EVER seen before.
Both me and Mrs. Hobo are hooked to this wonderful new show.
Slightly off topic.....Just got back from Las Vegas, went to the Star Trek Experience at the Hilton. Pretty freaking cool. You can actually buy Romulan Ale in 6 pack bottles!!!.....lol
And the shuttle simulator ride rocks!!
[B]A year or two? Try a decade or two. It worked for TOS->TNG. [/B][/QUOTE]
Which is exactly what i said earlier.
give trek some time off. take 10-15 years off, THEN people will be exicted about a new series. and maybe they'll have time to come up with good writing.
[B]Slightly off topic.....Just got back from Las Vegas, went to the Star Trek Experience at the Hilton. Pretty freaking cool. You can actually buy Romulan Ale in 6 pack bottles!!!.....lol
And the shuttle simulator ride rocks!! [/B][/QUOTE]
I always kind of thought the actual shuttle ride itself kind of blew, but the buildup to it was freaking cool.
for those who have not been, I shall not spoil it Spoiler: When you step into the big square room, the lights go down, you feel a little misty, and then come back up and your on an octagonal transporter pad, that was neat. But there is nothing more cool than stepping out onto the bridge of the Enterprise that first time. They got themselves one hell of good copy. I image the one there is a little larger than the original set to accomidate all the people, but damn is it cool. But seriously motion rides with video just dont do it for me, I always feel like Im being tossed about no matter how close the action on the screen matches.
I have not been back to Vegas since the whole Borg 4D thing, how is that?
So we went to Quark's bar and had some Blood wine and took some pictures with a Ferengi and a Klingon warrior that played their parts perfectly!
As for the ride
Spoiler tag I hope
The transporter and walking thru the bridge was totally cool. I had the feeling that I was transported to the Enterprise. As for the shuttle ride, I really enjoyed it, going through the "wormhole" trying not to get fried by the Klingon cruisers as the shuttle tries to return back to Vegas.:)
Pretty cool......:)
[B]Instead of concentrating on improving the stories and making an impact in the Trek Universe, we are getting stories that explain a monetary makeup change.[/B][/QUOTE]
It's clear we're looking at this from two entirely different perspectives ("They're explaining make-up, for God's sake! Are they that creatively bankrupt?" vs. "Who the hell cares where the idea comes from? The final product is what matters."
I'll just ask one more thing, though. If this mutation story is so distasteful to you, how do you feel about the rest of the second half of the season including such things as:[list]
[*]Forging an alliance between the Vulcans, Andorians and Tellarites?
[*]Seeing the Andorian homeworld for the first time, and investigating a societal problem that, as far as I know, is unrelated to any make-up changes?
[*]Doctor Phlox being kidnapped by a hostile race so his medical expertise can help them avert extinction?
[*]A pair of episodes showing what the mirror-Enterprise is up to in their "Birth of the Terran Empire" TV series?
[*]The (creation? Current activites?) of "Section 31"?
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I mean, the show isn't going to turn into "Star Trek: Forehead Ridges", even if it does touch on it. Just like Babylon 5 didn't turn into "The Jeffery Sinclair comedy hour" when they wrapped up his character in Season 3.
And as for why none of those other make-up changes are getting the same treatment, I'd venture to say the Klingon forehead is probably the most widely debated of them. It certainly is the oldest.
[B]Just like Babylon 5 didn't turn into "The Jeffery Sinclair comedy hour" when they wrapped up his character in Season 3.[/B][/QUOTE]
No, B5 just turned into Rebo and Zooty comedy hour in season 5 ;) :D
But yeah, some of the eps looks decent. I agree with Entil'Zha that they need to take off a number of years. Waiting makes you want it more. :)
[B]But why is Andromeda in the fifth season....... :rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]
I would love to see Andromeda been what Gene ment it to be.....
The fall of the Federation.