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What's happened to all the the ITF work done by the dev team?

ThodinThodin Trainee
in Babylon 5
Someone's got to ask this sooner or later. What's happened to all of the hard work done by the ITF development team? Is it possible it could be salvaged for community freeware development?
From what I've gathered, they had quite a few models polished off, and a stable engine. It would be a shame for them to be lost.
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  • GrevenGreven Ranger
    All the IP is off somewhere.

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  • SanfamSanfam I like clocks.
    This actually has been asked numerous times.
    Most likely, the IP is in a warehouse, getting moldy and such. That is, if it has not been destroyed already. I certainly hope it is not the case, but it might be.
  • ThodinThodin Trainee
    Sadly this seems to be the case for nearly every canned game. Development reaches a decient level, game is canned, then all the work is then lost.
    The sadest cases is those that are canned just prior to release.
    There's something seriously wrong industries that do this kind of thing (Ok, so maybe every industry is wrong then *smiles a little*).
  • shadowsagrippashadowsagrippa Trainee
    man, I listen to the music of ITF and I see screen shots and I almost cry. Seriously, I really wanted to see the game made so bad
  • RandyRandy Master Storyteller
    The official word is that Sierra has all of the IP. Some customer service person at Sierra's Bellevue website said recently that everything was thrown out in reply to someone from Firstones who asked. We have no way of knowing if that is true.

    Even if they do still have the IP sitting in cardboard boxes gathering dust and mildew somewhere, I can’t imagine them giving it up so that it could become shareware or something. I mean, they could fool me I suppose, but I haven’t seen any glimmer of benevolence out of them (just the opposite, I’m afraid), or out of any of their new owners. Nor does it seem to me that they give a damn about the fans of ITF around the world – not that I can see anyway – I doubt we rate a blip on their long-range scanners.
  • Lord RefaLord Refa Creepy, but in a good way
    Let's just kill the bastards and steal the game.

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  • LecksterLeckster Earthforce Officer
    If they threw it out im going to the garbage dump and searching till i find it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • JackNJackN <font color=#99FF99>Lightwave Alien</font>
    Some homeless person up in Seattle is probably using a backup CD with my game models on it as a nice coaster for their coffee cup with dentures in it...

    :/
  • shadow boxershadow boxer The Finger Painter & Master Ranter
    grrrrrrrrrrrr
  • DsDetectiveDsDetective Ranger
    [quote]Originally posted by JackN:
    [b]Some homeless person up in Seattle is probably using a backup CD with my game models on it as a nice coaster for their coffee cup with dentures in it...

    :/[/b][/quote]

    Well at least it's making someone happy then [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]

    Of course there is just one possibility of the game being somewhere else and quite safe. But only Sierra could legally hold a copy of the code [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img].



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  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    I think the most likely scenario is that it is somewhere on backup tapes where Sierra keeps that sort of thing, but that noone there really knows where it is or that it is there, with the only record being on a computer filing system somewhere.

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  • Shuup NickShuup Nick Ranger
    Seeing as Sierra is owned by the even bigger Havas, and probably has more money than your average bank, how out of pocket would it make them if they were to just finish the game? [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/mad.gif[/img] [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/shad.gif[/img]

    Cherio.

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  • WORFWORF The Burninator
    We could launch a commando style raid on the warehouses and when we find it, we say that we developed it ourselves so then it would be legal...or something like that.

    Worf


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  • MaSCMaSC Earthforce Officer
    someone could hack into a Anti-terrorist mainframe (such as SAS, Navy Seals etc) and Flag Sierra as a known international terrorist group and input this info:

    [b]Mission title:[/b] Retreive plans to super weapon.

    [b]Target:[/b]Known terrorist orginasation Sierra have stolen topsecret plans to a super weapon codenamed: "Babylon 5 - Into the fire". Locate the plans and infultrate facility. Retreive the plans and deliver to orginisation: "Firstones"

    [b]Mission tasks:[/b]
    Locate plans
    infultrate and retreive
    Destroy facility if possible
    Deleiver to codename: Firstones
    end mission


    [This message has been edited by MaSC (edited 07-25-2001).]

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  • allanmcallanmc Earthforce Officer
    I've said it before and I'll say it again, Sierra still needs to pay for its crimes. C'mon, its time to wreak some havoc... [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
  • RandyRandy Master Storyteller
    [quote]Originally posted by JackN:
    [b]Some homeless person up in Seattle is probably using a backup CD with my game models on it as a nice coaster for their coffee cup with dentures in it...

    :/[/b][/quote]

    LMAO! Not at what's happened to your backup CD, of course - just the way you put it.
  • MelkorMelkor Elite Ranger
    *goes into a meditative trance in a nearly futile attempt at restraining his sudden urge for violence against sierra employees*
  • LecksterLeckster Earthforce Officer
    We should all get together find out where they keep all there canncled games gain up about 1,500 people lanch a join attact on Serria Main Office and Havis's Main Offices! think about with the 1,500 - 2,500 people that come here regulary! I mean they cant imprision us all!!! muhhaaahaa!!!
  • CurZCurZ Resident Hippy
    Just give me a few years to complete my military training and I'll be on it [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]

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  • GrevenGreven Ranger
    Every one sent one E-mail bomb.... That would be a lot of letters.

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  • allanmcallanmc Earthforce Officer
    [quote]Originally posted by Leckster:
    [b]We should all get together find out where they keep all there canncled games[/b][/quote]

    Well, we know at least it would be a big building. If all else fails we can lobby the Hague to have ole Dave indicted and brought up on crimes against humanity. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
  • LecksterLeckster Earthforce Officer
    Do we have any people on the inside at Serria?? cus if someone has friends we can pay them for "borrowing" the ITF accetts...

    hmm.. stimulating
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    Isn't it amusing how the same plans are presented every time we have this conversation? [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]

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    The Balance provides. The Balance protects.

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  • SanfamSanfam I like clocks.
    very [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img] I wonder if we could hack a counter into the UBB checking for certain words in a message...
  • JackNJackN <font color=#99FF99>Lightwave Alien</font>
    I'd be happy to do it all over again from scratch if someone were serious enough to start a new engine.

    Problem is still the WB licensing costs, lack of footage from original characters, etc.

    I still think a tradewars style B5 game that is severely modernized from the old DOS versions would be a viable software product also, aside from a Combat Sim which (in my opinion) must be done also.

    Same problems are at issue with WB licensing, etc...

    [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/frown.gif[/img]
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    I think that the only real loss was the footage. Everything else can be redone, probably better. But the footage will never be seen again, and no more will be made because all the sets are packed up completely.

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    [b]Required reading: [url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/[/url][/b]
    Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
    The Balance provides. The Balance protects.

    "Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
  • WORFWORF The Burninator
    Couldn't they unpack the sets?

    I doubt they made the mistake that paramount did and destroyed the original Star Trek sets, I know the regret doing that.

    Worf

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  • David of MacDavid of Mac Elite Ranger Ca
    And many of those Voyager sets were redressed TNG sets, which were redressed from the first four movies.

    On the other hand, I hope they didn't make the mistake Stanly Kubrik did and distroy the plans along with them.
  • SanfamSanfam I like clocks.
    That wasn't really a mistake. He did that to show that he was truly done with the movie.
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    The sets are packed away, not destroyed as far as I know. There was some reason they couldn't be got out to redo the game footage, but I can't remember what it was.

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    [b]Required reading: [url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/[/url][/b]
    Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
    The Balance provides. The Balance protects.

    "Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
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