Cheers devs for all the hard work and effort, it was/is much appreciated. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
We [b]will[/b] get another game.
Now that the deal has indeed fallen through, perhaps you can tell us some of the previously classified stuff; 'who was the entity?' for instance, and what were the details of what happened?
Just remember:
[quote]No Surrender, No Retreat.[/quote] - John Sheridan.
Cherio.
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Catapvltam habeo. Nisi pecvniam omnem mihi dabis, ad capvt tvvm saxvm immane mittam.
Mater tva criceta fvit, et pater tvo redolvit bacarvm sambvcvs.
Dedicated to all at S14 for what they've tried to do..
And now, the end is near;
And so I face the final curtain.
My friend, I'll say it clear,
I'll state my case, of which I'm certain.
I've lived a life that's full.
I've traveled each and ev'ry highway;
But more, much more than this,
I did it my way.
Regrets, I've had a few;
But then again, too few to mention.
I did what I had to do
And saw it through without exemption.
I planned each charted course;
Each careful step along the byway,
But more, much more than this,
I did it my way.
Yes, there were times, I'm sure you knew
When I bit off more than I could chew.
But through it all, when there was doubt,
I ate it up and spit it out.
I faced it all and I stood tall;
And did it my way.
I've loved, I've laughed and cried.
I've had my fill; my share of losing.
And now, as tears subside,
I find it all so amusing.
To think I did all that;
And may I say - not in a shy way,
"No, oh no not me,
I did it my way".
For what is a man, what has he got?
If not himself, then he has naught.
To say the things he truly feels;
And not the words of one who kneels.
The record shows I took the blows -
And did it my way!
What is going on with Sektor 14 ??? It 's a really great Studio. Rick, what are you planning with Sektor 14 itself ???
With great hopes
Chicky
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The best Hope is Future and the future made us stronger.
The fight for the game is now full with heavy flames.
So fängt es also an...
BoardMember at [url="http://www.paraworlds.com"]http://www.paraworlds.com[/url]
"The heavens burned,
the stars cried out,
And under the ashes of infinity,
Hope, scarred and bleeding,
breathed its last."
-- Opening quote from the episode "Angel Dark, Demon Bright" of "Andromeda"
[i][b]"You can fight against fate, against the inevitable, but you can not win. You can do your best, time and again, but your competitor will not fall. You can exceed your best effort a thousand times, but still not make a single, noticeable dent to your opponent's harm...
...But those few succesful swings you get in, no matter how small or insignificant they seem to be, THEY make the whole effort worthwhile."[/b][/i]
Well well, I'm sad. The fire is out. S14S, the whole crew, my best to you all. Thanks for keeping our hopes alive this far. Good luck in your future lives, and a warm thanks for being one of the most dedicated development teams out there to date. Dedication, that's something you rarely see nowadays.
As for FirstOnes, game or no game, keep it alive. I'll still be here, with thousands of others, no doubt. Keep it alive until Draz has too much financial problems to keep us up. You just have to love us bunch of whackos too much not to go out with a bang.
That's about all I can say right now.
"Good fight, good night."
Now where did I put that noose...
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Life is full of surprises. The ones reserved for me usually come wearing brass knuckles.
RubberEagleWhat's a rubber eagle used for, anyway?
This moment quite reminds me of seeing the closing titles of the Sleeping in the light. Feeling sad, that it came to an end, but remembering that it was a great time, and im sure it'll still be [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]
A big [b]THANK YOU[/b] to all of you at Sector 14 Studios, and to Marc and all the other former developers, that you tried to bring us the experience of our beloved Tv-Universe to our PC.
You and your dedication have inspired many of us, some are now making mods, some writing stories, other making kick-ass renderings.
[b]THANK YOU[/b], allthough that doesn't quite express the gratefullness that all of us here are feeling.
But somewhere inside me i feel that, like it was with B5, this is not the end.. it might be just the beginning...
I'll be honest with you, I'm not much of a B5 fan. It was a great show, but I have enough obsessions already.
I've only been here a short time, but when I arrived here (through the mods forums, odly enough) my first thoughts were, "finally, a good flight simulator with real physics, an interesting and varied storyline, and different levels of control depending on what [b]I[/b] do." After reading the FAQ, I realized that this is exactly what I had laid out as what I wanted in a sim, plus a few things I hadn't thought of. To this day I have yet to find a truly good space sim. As I love Star Wars, X-Wing Alliance would have been perfect with the following upgrades:
1)Speed and general physics identical to the movies (TOO DAMN SLOW!! WHY DOESN"T THE DAMN CAPSHIP MOVE!!! *BANGBANGBANG*...sorry)
2)Better graphics. The game was outdated when it came out, three or four years ago.
3)Multiplayer code that allowed for play with at least a reasonable aount of lag, if any at all
4)Everything ITF had to offer
I'm not even going to get into the other games I've played. Anyway, expect to see me hanging around the XWA and FSF forums more often, but I won't leave here. You see, I'm currently being restrained by a thousand inkstained monkeys...
Thank you for your efforts
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Q'Daan, Lord of the Porcupines
Council Chairman of the Grand Coalition of Porcupines
Oracle of the Mystical Trout of Malfador
We'll murder them all, in laughter and merryment. Except for the few we take home to experiment.
Thank you, to all the original developers, and everyone at the site. It's been a fun ride, and I can only guess at what phoenix will arise from these ashes.
I for one will be staying around until they turn off the lights and blow the place up.
Thank you, to all the original developers, and everyone at the site. It's been a fun ride, and I can only guess at what phoenix will arise from these ashes.
I for one will be staying around until they turn off the lights and blow the place up.
I co-wrote our final statement with Rick. Most of what I wanted to say I said there.
One of the exceptional experiences of my life was working with the ITF team. Marc spoke well of this, so I won't repeat. But I’d like to add that the experience of watching the Firstones community come together is an equally exceptional experience.
It’s sad that ITF won’t happen, but we can look at it as a catalyst for something that is more important than a space combat simulator.
I’d like to publicly thank JMS for presenting the idea of community among diverse souls so compellingly, and publicly thank the souls who have made this ideal manifest in FirstOnes.com.
I'm glad that there will be an effort to keep this beacon switched on, so that others might catch a glimpse of the magic here.
[img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/frown.gif[/img] Someone's going to hurt for this where's my B&W cow...
It's all been said many times before (and better) but, I would just like to thank all the guys at S14 and the ITF team for trying so hard, it's been appreciated. I wish you all success with your future projects, and thanks to all the guys who keep Firstones a special place to be.
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I have seen the future, and it was dark
and then I took my shades off...
--
Only the insane have strength enough to prosper,
Only those that prosper truly judge what is sane.
[This message has been edited by Ranger Brian (edited 06-12-2001).]
In times like thise we should never forget what we still have :
[img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img] STAR TREK FOREVER [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
No , to be serious , I am impressed by Sector 14 studios.
I think simply the TIME was wrong. I would have waited for the next movie and the new series. They would have increased the desire for a b5 sim which would have helped you with your task. I tell you , sooner or later there WILL be something B5ish.
RubberEagleWhat's a rubber eagle used for, anyway?
There's an interesting thing in what Skullar sais.. something that was in the back of my head since i wrote my statement a few post earlier...
what would Rick, Randy or some of the other (ex-)developers do, if, lets say, in a year (impressed by the success of LR) a major publisher comes back to them and says "you wanted to do a B5 sim a year ago. Well, we've changed our mind and would like to support you"
If a major publisher does approach someone about building a game, then a game will be made. However, it will not be ITF. The ideas behind ITF, revolutionary in '99 and still very cutting-edge today, will probably not be as impressive by middle of 2002.
So if a game will be made it'll be a brand new game. There will probably be no video footage that Sierra still owns, the plot will be different... it's likely that a game will be published sooner or later, but it will not be ITF.
RubberEagleWhat's a rubber eagle used for, anyway?
yes.. i know that ITF is "dead" and won't come back
the point i was heading for is, what would Rick or Randy or anyone else from the team (sorry that i don't mention you all by name, youst thought it'd take to much space... i'm abit lazy when it comes to typing [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]) do, if they were approached...
I would like to thank you, the developers, for all you've done. You gave us hope, something to believe in, and in doing so, made possible the creation of this community.
Well, things didn't work out. It's sad, but life goes on. Good luck to all of you in your future endeavours.
Some day, we'll all get together and fly off in our Starfuries to the sun(set) [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]
Until then, keep on full burn and watch your sixes.
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[i]"Always be ready to fight for what you believe in. It doesn't matter if a million people agree with you or one person agrees with you. Fight for what you believe in."[/i]
-- John Sheridan
Well, at least we know it's over now. The uncertainty of these past years was worse than the cancellation. It just wasn't meant to be. But Babylon 5 will not just vanish, if Star Trek is any indication, we'll see B5 again (which we will soon). After all B5 is more than the sum of its parts.
S14, thank you for everything. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
Edit: I would also like to thank the staff and everyone else here on firstones.com for supporting this community. Special thanks to JMS for keeping the dream alive. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
[This message has been edited by Stingray (edited 06-12-2001).]
[img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/frown.gif[/img] a sad sad day, I was afraid of this.
I want to say thanks to rick and Randy and the sector 14 crew and to everyone at these boards for the long years of fun. I hope this place continues, it should. I cant say anything profound that hasn't been said already. Just... thanks **group hug** [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
And mabye there will be a babylon 5 game in the future, [no doubt a cash-in pice of utter rubbish] but until then we have the freeware project and Ive found her [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
Good luck to sector 14 in what ever new path they take.
Now lets do some mod'ing people
yes lets get every conciveable game and mod it into B5, then Give then all to WB and Sierra and say "look at the download figures" now F*** you [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
Firstones will endure.
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[url="http://aurekpics.tripod.com/bnsigfinal.jpg"]http://aurekpics.tripod.com/bnsigfinal.jpg[/url]
[b]GOTO THE BLACK NOVA HW TC[/b]
[url="http://www.modfactory.net/blacknova"]http://www.modfactory.net/blacknova[/url]
[b]Dont give me that Star trek crap, Its too early in the morning - Dave lister,[/b]
WELL; I can't describe, what I feel like - maybe it's the time of paralysis you get into before realizing the whole mess....
I just want to thank all the good souls that gathered here and kept their faith in this project.
I just hope this example doesn't remain unheard by the public and espescially by the executives in the gaming industry.
It'd be hard to bear if everything had been useless, although we formed a damn cool community [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img].
[quote]
This is not the End
It is not even the begining of the end
but it is perhaps, the end of the begining[/quote]
I Feel a certain amount of sadness at the news, but at the same time, satisfaction, Itf kept B5 Alive, probably more than any of us realised, when no-one was showing it on TV, we had Firstones, and the "hope" of this game, we waited, we endured, its possible that boss' at the sci-fi channel saw the devotion we put towards this and decided B5 Deserved a second chance
and now we have a New Movie, a new series, a whole new chapter, there are rumours of crusade being revived, and maybe a major motion picture in time.
Rick and Randy and the team may well have contributed more to B5 in thier efforts than making the game ever could, and i think we shall asll ask JMS to name a couple of extras in thier honour heheh (not red-shirts tho hehe)
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"Wow, how'd you get it to work?"
"I ran a Physical Impulse Mechanical Stress Routine"
"Huh?"
"I kicked it."
"Ahh."
Comments
Cheers devs for all the hard work and effort, it was/is much appreciated. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
We [b]will[/b] get another game.
Now that the deal has indeed fallen through, perhaps you can tell us some of the previously classified stuff; 'who was the entity?' for instance, and what were the details of what happened?
Just remember:
[quote]No Surrender, No Retreat.[/quote] - John Sheridan.
Cherio.
------------------
Catapvltam habeo. Nisi pecvniam omnem mihi dabis, ad capvt tvvm saxvm immane mittam.
Mater tva criceta fvit, et pater tvo redolvit bacarvm sambvcvs.
And now, the end is near;
And so I face the final curtain.
My friend, I'll say it clear,
I'll state my case, of which I'm certain.
I've lived a life that's full.
I've traveled each and ev'ry highway;
But more, much more than this,
I did it my way.
Regrets, I've had a few;
But then again, too few to mention.
I did what I had to do
And saw it through without exemption.
I planned each charted course;
Each careful step along the byway,
But more, much more than this,
I did it my way.
Yes, there were times, I'm sure you knew
When I bit off more than I could chew.
But through it all, when there was doubt,
I ate it up and spit it out.
I faced it all and I stood tall;
And did it my way.
I've loved, I've laughed and cried.
I've had my fill; my share of losing.
And now, as tears subside,
I find it all so amusing.
To think I did all that;
And may I say - not in a shy way,
"No, oh no not me,
I did it my way".
For what is a man, what has he got?
If not himself, then he has naught.
To say the things he truly feels;
And not the words of one who kneels.
The record shows I took the blows -
And did it my way!
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..And so it Begins
But i have one hope:
"Sektor 14" itself.
What is going on with Sektor 14 ??? It 's a really great Studio. Rick, what are you planning with Sektor 14 itself ???
With great hopes
Chicky
------------------
The best Hope is Future and the future made us stronger.
The fight for the game is now full with heavy flames.
So fängt es also an...
BoardMember at [url="http://www.paraworlds.com"]http://www.paraworlds.com[/url]
the stars cried out,
And under the ashes of infinity,
Hope, scarred and bleeding,
breathed its last."
-- Opening quote from the episode "Angel Dark, Demon Bright" of "Andromeda"
But thanks for all the hard work and dedication guys...
...But those few succesful swings you get in, no matter how small or insignificant they seem to be, THEY make the whole effort worthwhile."[/b][/i]
Well well, I'm sad. The fire is out. S14S, the whole crew, my best to you all. Thanks for keeping our hopes alive this far. Good luck in your future lives, and a warm thanks for being one of the most dedicated development teams out there to date. Dedication, that's something you rarely see nowadays.
As for FirstOnes, game or no game, keep it alive. I'll still be here, with thousands of others, no doubt. Keep it alive until Draz has too much financial problems to keep us up. You just have to love us bunch of whackos too much not to go out with a bang.
That's about all I can say right now.
"Good fight, good night."
Now where did I put that noose...
------------------
Life is full of surprises. The ones reserved for me usually come wearing brass knuckles.
A big [b]THANK YOU[/b] to all of you at Sector 14 Studios, and to Marc and all the other former developers, that you tried to bring us the experience of our beloved Tv-Universe to our PC.
You and your dedication have inspired many of us, some are now making mods, some writing stories, other making kick-ass renderings.
[b]THANK YOU[/b], allthough that doesn't quite express the gratefullness that all of us here are feeling.
But somewhere inside me i feel that, like it was with B5, this is not the end.. it might be just the beginning...
RubberEagle
I've only been here a short time, but when I arrived here (through the mods forums, odly enough) my first thoughts were, "finally, a good flight simulator with real physics, an interesting and varied storyline, and different levels of control depending on what [b]I[/b] do." After reading the FAQ, I realized that this is exactly what I had laid out as what I wanted in a sim, plus a few things I hadn't thought of. To this day I have yet to find a truly good space sim. As I love Star Wars, X-Wing Alliance would have been perfect with the following upgrades:
1)Speed and general physics identical to the movies (TOO DAMN SLOW!! WHY DOESN"T THE DAMN CAPSHIP MOVE!!! *BANGBANGBANG*...sorry)
2)Better graphics. The game was outdated when it came out, three or four years ago.
3)Multiplayer code that allowed for play with at least a reasonable aount of lag, if any at all
4)Everything ITF had to offer
I'm not even going to get into the other games I've played. Anyway, expect to see me hanging around the XWA and FSF forums more often, but I won't leave here. You see, I'm currently being restrained by a thousand inkstained monkeys...
Thank you for your efforts
------------------
Q'Daan, Lord of the Porcupines
Council Chairman of the Grand Coalition of Porcupines
Oracle of the Mystical Trout of Malfador
We'll murder them all, in laughter and merryment. Except for the few we take home to experiment.
I for one will be staying around until they turn off the lights and blow the place up.
[quote]Remember.
Lyta Alexander[/quote]
Kyle W. Kennedy, a.k. bobo
<*>B5:ITF
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bobo
<*>
B5:ITF
Rest in peace Babylon 5: Into the Fire
And thanl you boys for these years.
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Nullum magnum ingeniae sine mixtura dementiae fuit.
I for one will be staying around until they turn off the lights and blow the place up.
[quote]Remember.
Lyta Alexander[/quote]
Kyle W. Kennedy, a.k. bobo
<*>B5:ITF
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bobo
<*>
B5:ITF
I only have 5 words for Sector 14:
Thank you and Good luck.
Falcon
Maybe future will give us new babylon5 game...
One of the exceptional experiences of my life was working with the ITF team. Marc spoke well of this, so I won't repeat. But I’d like to add that the experience of watching the Firstones community come together is an equally exceptional experience.
It’s sad that ITF won’t happen, but we can look at it as a catalyst for something that is more important than a space combat simulator.
I’d like to publicly thank JMS for presenting the idea of community among diverse souls so compellingly, and publicly thank the souls who have made this ideal manifest in FirstOnes.com.
I'm glad that there will be an effort to keep this beacon switched on, so that others might catch a glimpse of the magic here.
I’ll be around. I’ve always been here.
It's all been said many times before (and better) but, I would just like to thank all the guys at S14 and the ITF team for trying so hard, it's been appreciated. I wish you all success with your future projects, and thanks to all the guys who keep Firstones a special place to be.
-------------------
I have seen the future, and it was dark
and then I took my shades off...
--
Only the insane have strength enough to prosper,
Only those that prosper truly judge what is sane.
[This message has been edited by Ranger Brian (edited 06-12-2001).]
At least we have an answer now instead of the waiting, eventhough it wasn't the answer we were waiting for.
I thank you all for your efforts ITF team. People can say whatever they want except that it was lack of support from you guys.
Good luck in future projects and stop by from time to time.
[img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img] STAR TREK FOREVER [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
No , to be serious , I am impressed by Sector 14 studios.
I think simply the TIME was wrong. I would have waited for the next movie and the new series. They would have increased the desire for a b5 sim which would have helped you with your task. I tell you , sooner or later there WILL be something B5ish.
what would Rick, Randy or some of the other (ex-)developers do, if, lets say, in a year (impressed by the success of LR) a major publisher comes back to them and says "you wanted to do a B5 sim a year ago. Well, we've changed our mind and would like to support you"
So if a game will be made it'll be a brand new game. There will probably be no video footage that Sierra still owns, the plot will be different... it's likely that a game will be published sooner or later, but it will not be ITF.
the point i was heading for is, what would Rick or Randy or anyone else from the team (sorry that i don't mention you all by name, youst thought it'd take to much space... i'm abit lazy when it comes to typing [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]) do, if they were approached...
Well, things didn't work out. It's sad, but life goes on. Good luck to all of you in your future endeavours.
Some day, we'll all get together and fly off in our Starfuries to the sun(set) [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]
Until then, keep on full burn and watch your sixes.
------------------
[i]"Always be ready to fight for what you believe in. It doesn't matter if a million people agree with you or one person agrees with you. Fight for what you believe in."[/i]
-- John Sheridan
S14, thank you for everything. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
Edit: I would also like to thank the staff and everyone else here on firstones.com for supporting this community. Special thanks to JMS for keeping the dream alive. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
[This message has been edited by Stingray (edited 06-12-2001).]
I want to say thanks to rick and Randy and the sector 14 crew and to everyone at these boards for the long years of fun. I hope this place continues, it should. I cant say anything profound that hasn't been said already. Just... thanks **group hug** [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
And mabye there will be a babylon 5 game in the future, [no doubt a cash-in pice of utter rubbish] but until then we have the freeware project and Ive found her [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
Good luck to sector 14 in what ever new path they take.
Now lets do some mod'ing people
yes lets get every conciveable game and mod it into B5, then Give then all to WB and Sierra and say "look at the download figures" now F*** you [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
Firstones will endure.
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[url="http://aurekpics.tripod.com/bnsigfinal.jpg"]http://aurekpics.tripod.com/bnsigfinal.jpg[/url]
[b]GOTO THE BLACK NOVA HW TC[/b]
[url="http://www.modfactory.net/blacknova"]http://www.modfactory.net/blacknova[/url]
[b]Dont give me that Star trek crap, Its too early in the morning - Dave lister,[/b]
I just want to thank all the good souls that gathered here and kept their faith in this project.
I just hope this example doesn't remain unheard by the public and espescially by the executives in the gaming industry.
It'd be hard to bear if everything had been useless, although we formed a damn cool community [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img].
Let#s see what we have to challenge tomorrow....
This is not the End
It is not even the begining of the end
but it is perhaps, the end of the begining[/quote]
I Feel a certain amount of sadness at the news, but at the same time, satisfaction, Itf kept B5 Alive, probably more than any of us realised, when no-one was showing it on TV, we had Firstones, and the "hope" of this game, we waited, we endured, its possible that boss' at the sci-fi channel saw the devotion we put towards this and decided B5 Deserved a second chance
and now we have a New Movie, a new series, a whole new chapter, there are rumours of crusade being revived, and maybe a major motion picture in time.
Rick and Randy and the team may well have contributed more to B5 in thier efforts than making the game ever could, and i think we shall asll ask JMS to name a couple of extras in thier honour heheh (not red-shirts tho hehe)
------------------
"Wow, how'd you get it to work?"
"I ran a Physical Impulse Mechanical Stress Routine"
"Huh?"
"I kicked it."
"Ahh."