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B5:LR and Firstones

Alec MAlec M Award Winning Poster
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Hey everyone. I just had an idea of putting some kind of Firstones hint in the textures of the ships we're making for B5:LR. I don't really have any ideas except to maybe use Shadow Boxer's Firstones icon (great job on that!). Obviously it's not going to be a major thing, I'll have to sneak it in somewhere where it might not be noticed unless you're looking for it.
So if anyone has any cool little Firstones related graphics post 'em here and I'll take a look. I don't think anything with text would work too well so try and avoid that. Also, if you would please try and keep this confined to these forums I would appreciate it. The last thing I need are a bunch of emails from people I don't know sending me their graphic work. Thanks again!


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  • croxiscroxis I am the walrus
    YOUR ON THE B5:LR TEAM?! AS IN, THE TV MOVIE/PIOLET FOR NEW SERIES?!?!?!? I bow before you!
  • ArikArik Galen's Apprentice
    Outline of an aardvark would be nice...
  • JackNJackN <font color=#99FF99>Lightwave Alien</font>
    Some kind of jab at Sierra would be nice...

    heh heh

    [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]
  • CurZCurZ Resident Hippy
    Obviously, if there are going to be Vorklifts in the movie, you really won't need much else, but I'd like the aardvark approach [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]

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  • WalkerWalker Earthforce Officer
    How about having Sierra logo's w/ a red X through 'em beneath a StarFury's (or any other fighter's) cockpit. Kinda like what fighter pilots guys do whenever they splash one... [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]

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  • Shuup NickShuup Nick Ranger
    How about putting some of the fan-desinged ships in there? Like the Bin'tak or G'lan et all? [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]

    Cherio.

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  • DsDetectiveDsDetective Ranger
    This is the coolest thing that's ever happened on these forums. Shadowboxers' kill counter would be good. You could even have the squadron leader with more flames/kills than the other pilots.

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  • socratessocrates Ranger
    I don't think putting Sierra's logo up there might be a good idea. Could run into legal problems. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img] Maybe some kind of obscure reference to them would be possible.

    I second the idea of the Aardvark. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img] If the White Star is involved, maybe could have the Aardvark pix on the wings of one of them, much like that episode "No Surrender, No Retreat" where Sheridan's White Star had a B5 logo on its wings.

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  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    I'd be happy with an Aardvark somewhere. We would know what it meant, and once people saw it and rumours got out everyone would, but without conclusive proof. The firstones logo, on the other hand, could be very quickly traced back here and they would soon start asking questions about which of their employees come here often.

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  • samuelksamuelk The Unstoppable Mr. 'K'
    You have to be careful with this kind of thing. JMS doesn't look kindly to things sneaking into his shows. Anyone remember the "Hypernauts" frame that got snuck into an episode?

    If word got out, he might frown upon FO.com....

    Hate to be a party-pooper, but it's a possibility...

    Now if it got his approval...THAT would be unbelievably cool...

    [This message has been edited by samuelk (edited 06-06-2001).]
  • Data CrystalData Crystal Pencil Artist
    I like the aardvark -idea. That wouldn't even stand out too much because it sounds like a pilot nickname.

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  • John WalkerJohn Walker Shadowman
    Slade: Even if this doesn't pan out, thanks for bringing this before the group! You've certainly given all of us something very fun to think about.

    If furies have the equivalent of "kill flags", I agree that an "X'd" sierra logo (as per Walker's idea) would IMHO be splendid for that application... [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/shad.gif[/img]

    The Great Maker might even like the idea... I have a feeling that there is little love lost between him and Sierra. Although he might not appreciate one of his animators "getting their own ideas"... [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]

    Aardvarks, vorklifts, water coolers, alien heads, shadowboxer logos... all would work and any of them would be a wonderful inside nod to the the FO community.
  • Falcon1Falcon1 Elite Ranger
    I think a nice big water cooler would look good..... [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]

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  • ZocaloHoboZocaloHobo Ranger
    The Aardvark would be cool...... [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
  • GrevenGreven Ranger
    Wing art..... There has to be a fury in there. Just have a aardvark on a StarFury's wing.

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  • MelkorMelkor Elite Ranger
    a GREEN aardvark
  • WombatControlWombatControl Earthforce Officer
    I love the idea of the Sierra kill markers on the hull of a ship. No one would probably know what it was except those of us 'in the know'. Perhaps a subtle jab at TNT would be apropos as well.

    Of course, it would also be fun if one of the craft from SG1 would happen to make a brief cameo appearance - just as a nod for fans of both shows.

    Good luck on B5:LR! Sounds like you have a job a lot of us would kill for!

    BTW, are you using Maya or LW or a combination of the two for 'Rangers'... just curious about that...

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  • Language of HopeLanguage of Hope Elite Ranger
    [quote]Originally posted by samuelk:
    [b]You have to be careful with this kind of thing. JMS doesn't look kindly to things sneaking into his shows. [...] If word got out, he might frown upon FO.com....

    Now if it got his approval...THAT would be unbelievably cool...
    [/b][/quote]

    I stand behind what samuelk says: Could it be possible to get in touch with JMS and asking him about any possibility that doesn't interfere with his intentions?!

    He always considered contact with fans to be important - so it could be possible that he responded positive to such a question.

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  • RickRick Sector 14 Studios
    [quote]Originally posted by JackN:
    [b]Some kind of jab at Sierra would be nice...

    heh heh

    [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img][/b][/quote]

    I was thinking that an Omega or other EA ship called the "Yosemite" would be fitting, but that's looking at it as a nod to the original ITF team.

    From a Firstones perspective, it would be nice to see a firstones chevron as wing art or some such thing, something that had no words in it, of course, but would be distictly recognizable.

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  • GrevenGreven Ranger
    Rick is right.... and so is Samuelk.

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  • RicobirchRicobirch Ranger
    [quote]Originally posted by WombatControl:
    [b]Perhaps a subtle jab at TNT would be apropos as well.
    [/b][/quote]

    I think that would be very easy for you to get JMS's approval on.
    As for the the sierra kill marks, brillant.
    And i would love to see some ships from B5 wars in there.

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  • samuelksamuelk The Unstoppable Mr. 'K'
    Though one safe thing to do would probably be wing art on a Fury...as I don't think it's JMS who comes up with those...

    Maybe just a single aardvark with....


    Oooo...I think I may have an idea....
  • samuelksamuelk The Unstoppable Mr. 'K'
    The biggest issue with placing something like this in the show is that it can't be so odd or out-of-place looking that it calls attention to itself.

    Sooo....

    Why not make a piece of Starfury Decal art that gives a little nod to FirstOnes.com:

    [url="http://members.theglobe.com/samuelk/FODECAL.JPG"]http://members.theglobe.com/samuelk/FODECAL.JPG[/url]

    [img]http://members.theglobe.com/samuelk/FODECAL.JPG[/img]

    This is a squadron decal from an F111 squadron. The FO of course is for FirstOnes (the 152 is arbitrary, but we could come up with a number that signifies something at firstones), and here's the neat part: The F111 jet is nicknamed the "Aardvark". [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
  • C_MonC_Mon A Genuine Sucker
    That is brilliant Samuelk!!!! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
    Make the number Biggles' posts!! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
    Or the year ITF was cancelled!!!

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  • ArikArik Galen's Apprentice
    Great idea.
    Let's make it FO - 42, so that it will not be just a tribute to Firstones, but a tribute from Firstones to Douglas Adams.
  • samuelksamuelk The Unstoppable Mr. 'K'
    I thought about using the date that the FirstOnes forums were opened, but that was Sept '99 (999), and squadron numbers don't go that high. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
  • Alec MAlec M Award Winning Poster
    Those are some great ideas guys. I especially like the Aardvark one. But it will have to be something that's hard to notice. I will see about talking to JMS about it. This was mainly just a thought that crossed my mind last night, I'll have to see how it works out.

    Oh, and to answer your question WombatControl, we're using Maya. All the new stuff is in Maya, with the previously seen ships being brought over from LW (any improvements to the look of the old ships depends on whether or not we'll have any time to do that, but it's not looking too likely).

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  • JackNJackN <font color=#99FF99>Lightwave Alien</font>
    Whatever you guys suggest, please remember to observe what Slade asked in the beginning. To keep this discussion in this forum.

    If you guys go off on a tangent and start contacting JMS, etc.

    He'll likely not be able to do anything at all, and worse, if you betray his trust, he could be in danger of getting in trouble with his superiors...

    I would suggest that you guys post a list of suggestions within this thread, and post it to his attention, and let him do whatever he can manage within his abilities...

    [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]

    (I do love the Sie[b]X[/b]rra kill icon idea myself!)

    I still think someone should do a drawing of the B5 station with someone riding it like a bull! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img] Maybe as wing art by the way!

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  • JackNJackN <font color=#99FF99>Lightwave Alien</font>
    No sooner do I reply, and there he is!

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  • RickRick Sector 14 Studios
    [quote]Originally posted by JackN:
    [b]SieXrra[/b][/quote]

    Jack--

    Remember the fan art with the Sierra logo hidden in the Shadow dognose texture? That was the epitomy of subtle [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]

    So many things to say...so many tooth-impressions on my tongue...

    -R.

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