[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Arethusa [/i]
[B]What didn't give it away? The laughably flimsy argument substantiation? The, like, six guys who had my back? The Crazy Fucking Liberals catch phrase? The [i]Mission Accomplished?[/i] [/B][/QUOTE]
The fact that youre american overrides all of those.. :p ;)
There is still the very REAL possibility that global warming can actually bring on Ice Ages... Or more accurately... Larger variations to the extreme...
Absolutely. To that extent, the science truly [i]is[/i] not "firm" or whatever less loaded term you'd like to use, and climatology is very complex.
It's just important to remember (and I really don't mean to single you out here) that the complexities of present climatology and models and the scientific method are often perverted for truly bizarre and insidiously propagandist political ends.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Sanfam [/i]
[B]Rar. Snow has begun! We're up to an inch accumulated here in the past twenty minutes. lets see where this goes. [/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Sanfam [/i]
[B]Which makes it even worse! It's not just water, it's *warm* water. It's the same reason we don't get much snow on Lloyd Neck. The water raises the ambient temperature to above freezing. [/B][/QUOTE]Actually there's cold anomaly just on coast.
[url]http://www.osdpd.noaa.gov/PSB/EPS/SST/climo.html[/url]
About month ago it was in news that through whole coast of Norway seawater was much warmer than average, I think in some place it was nearly 5C warmer.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by JackN [/i]
[B]I watched a program tonight on the decline of the Earth's magnetic field, or at the least headed for a flip.[/B][/QUOTE]It's currently solar minimum so that won't explain much of warm weather now.
These are from first days of November:
Now grass is again more greener than it was in July...
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by JackN [/i]
[B]I watched a program tonight on the decline of the Earth's magnetic field, or at the least headed for a flip.
All the things that go into the stability of or the instablility of the Earth's climate are really amazing...
What a dynamic universe we live in...
:) [/B][/QUOTE]
An interesting thing I learned in Geology class was just how many times the Earth's magnetic field has switched in the past. You can discover this from the magnetism in the crust underneath the ocean. The amount of time between the switches varied quite a lot. It was fascinating. :)
Yeah I remember learning about that too, was interesting stuff.
What seems to be happening here is that winter is starting much later than usual, pushing it further into february and march. Plays havoc with my dad when it comes to sowing crops etc, puts it all out of sync.
Hey Dax you can make your own snow! Just get loads of ice cubes and chuck em in a high rpm blender and away you go :)
ShadowDancerWhen I say, "Why aye, gadgie," in my heart I say, "Och aye, laddie."London, UK
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by sataicallista [/i]
[B]An interesting thing I learned in Geology class was just how many times the Earth's magnetic field has switched in the past. You can discover this from the magnetism in the crust underneath the ocean. The amount of time between the switches varied quite a lot. It was fascinating. :) [/B][/QUOTE]
heh, one of my geology lecturers from when i was doing a degree in geology in ediburgh was involved in the initial discovery of the magnetic variations in the oceanic crust. that must have been such an exciting time to be a marine geophysicist!
on the subject of global warming: humanity keeps pushing the extremes of the global cycles further and further, and sooner rather than later IMO its going to come back and bite us in the ass
I'm sitting here in naught but a pair of red (very) briefs, with a fan on max... and the thermometer on the wall reads 89degF...
It was over 105degF today and they are predicting (which translates to about 2deg cooler than what it will actually get to), a temperature of 105degF tomorrow...
...this is an in the shade measurement, outside under direct sun, thats up around 116degF
...we tend to go around with a syphon hose and a bucket this time of year, cleaning up the melted tourists... :D
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by shadow boxer [/i]
[B]for contrast...
It's 9.35pm.
I'm sitting here in naught but a pair of red (very) briefs, with a fan on max... and the thermometer on the wall reads 89degF...
It was over 105degF today and they are predicting (which translates to about 2deg cooler than what it will actually get to), a temperature of 105degF tomorrow...
...this is an in the shade measurement, outside under direct sun, thats up around 116degF
...we tend to go around with a syphon hose and a bucket this time of year, cleaning up the melted tourists... :D [/B][/QUOTE]
And....you live in Australia...... :rolleyes:
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
Stop giving in to the silly american units of measurement, SB!
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Falcon1 [/i]
[B]Yeah I remember learning about that too, was interesting stuff.
What seems to be happening here is that winter is starting much later than usual, pushing it further into february and march. Plays havoc with my dad when it comes to sowing crops etc, puts it all out of sync.
Hey Dax you can make your own snow! Just get loads of ice cubes and chuck em in a high rpm blender and away you go :) [/B][/QUOTE]
LOL I only wish. I think that living by the water makes things more extreme, like if it is cold, it's going to be colder by the water and if it's warm, it's going to be warmer by the water because there is nothing else in the way...
It's cold in NYC (-6 degrees C right now) but we aren't supposed to get precipatation until Wed..when the high will be 14 degrees C... which will mean rain.. :(
Whoah, what? No. Proximity to an ocean or a sea makes the climate [i]far[/i] more temperate. Large bodies of water act as thermal regulation for a climate because they flow and are capable of absorbing massive amounts of thermal energy. In the summer, they remain cooler than the ambient temperature, and in the winter, they remain significantly warmer. When you go inland, weather gets a lot more extreme. The climate in New York is a hell of a lot more temperate than Iowa.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Arethusa [/i]
[B]Whoah, what? No. Proximity to an ocean or a sea makes the climate [i]far[/i] more temperate. Large bodies of water act as thermal regulation for a climate because they flow and are capable of absorbing massive amounts of thermal energy. In the summer, they remain cooler than the ambient temperature, and in the winter, they remain significantly warmer. When you go inland, weather gets a lot more extreme. The climate in New York is a hell of a lot more temperate than Iowa. [/B][/QUOTE]
Along the coast it is, yup. I however am in upstate. We have what is called the lovely Lake Effect from the Lakes Erie and Ontario. Snow, [i]Snow[/i], [i][b]SNOW!![/b][/i] Oh yeah and ice too. :(
Lakes aren't the same thing, though. They're large, sure, and they do actually have a slightly comparable effect in tempering the local climate, but they aren't anywhere near as large and they don't flow the way oceans and seas do.
Lake effect snow is a separate phenomenon and is essentially what you get from an inland climate (and the extremity that comes with it) combined with a huge source of moisture that isn't huge [i]enough[/i] to also significantly temper that extremity. Keep in mind that the currents that bring you snow, before passing over the lakes, first cross a [i]lot[/i] of land in the Midwest and inland Canada.
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by shadow boxer [/i]
[B]Im not really Biggles... my parents are/did.. I inherited this silly American thermometer from them[/B][/QUOTE]
You know what you need to do then, don't you? Scratch out that silly scale and replace it with a sensible one, like Kelvin!
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Arethusa [/i]
[B]What didn't give it away? The laughably flimsy argument substantiation? The, like, six guys who had my back? The Crazy Fucking Liberals catch phrase? The [i]Mission Accomplished?[/i] [/B][/QUOTE]
The fact that youre american overrides all of those.. :p ;)
You know all good 'Mericans have access to the invasion list, right? You're going to the [i]top[/i].
[B]pwned by the Canuckistani and the Swede.
You know all good 'Mericans have access to the invasion list, right? You're going to the [i]top[/i]. [/B][/QUOTE]
LOL ;)
[B]I have a degree in science and I was firm last night. [/B][/QUOTE] That was you last night?
It's just important to remember (and I really don't mean to single you out here) that the complexities of present climatology and models and the scientific method are often perverted for truly bizarre and insidiously propagandist political ends.
All the things that go into the stability of or the instablility of the Earth's climate are really amazing...
What a dynamic universe we live in...
:)
[B]Rar. Snow has begun! We're up to an inch accumulated here in the past twenty minutes. lets see where this goes. [/B][/QUOTE]
*stamps foot*
I want snow damnit!
[B]Which makes it even worse! It's not just water, it's *warm* water. It's the same reason we don't get much snow on Lloyd Neck. The water raises the ambient temperature to above freezing. [/B][/QUOTE]Actually there's cold anomaly just on coast.
[url]http://www.osdpd.noaa.gov/PSB/EPS/SST/climo.html[/url]
About month ago it was in news that through whole coast of Norway seawater was much warmer than average, I think in some place it was nearly 5C warmer.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by JackN [/i]
[B]I watched a program tonight on the decline of the Earth's magnetic field, or at the least headed for a flip.[/B][/QUOTE]It's currently solar minimum so that won't explain much of warm weather now.
[url]http://www.physorg.com/news84724104.html[/url]
These are from first days of November:
Now grass is again more greener than it was in July...
[url=http://koti.mbnet.fi/tuunaes/kuvat/11_06/PICT3812.jpg][img]http://koti.mbnet.fi/tuunaes/kuvat/11_06/PICT3812_s.jpg[/img][/url][url=http://koti.mbnet.fi/tuunaes/kuvat/11_06/PICT3813.jpg][img]http://koti.mbnet.fi/tuunaes/kuvat/11_06/PICT3813_s.jpg[/img][/url]
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[B]I watched a program tonight on the decline of the Earth's magnetic field, or at the least headed for a flip.
All the things that go into the stability of or the instablility of the Earth's climate are really amazing...
What a dynamic universe we live in...
:) [/B][/QUOTE]
An interesting thing I learned in Geology class was just how many times the Earth's magnetic field has switched in the past. You can discover this from the magnetism in the crust underneath the ocean. The amount of time between the switches varied quite a lot. It was fascinating. :)
What seems to be happening here is that winter is starting much later than usual, pushing it further into february and march. Plays havoc with my dad when it comes to sowing crops etc, puts it all out of sync.
Hey Dax you can make your own snow! Just get loads of ice cubes and chuck em in a high rpm blender and away you go :)
[B]An interesting thing I learned in Geology class was just how many times the Earth's magnetic field has switched in the past. You can discover this from the magnetism in the crust underneath the ocean. The amount of time between the switches varied quite a lot. It was fascinating. :) [/B][/QUOTE]
heh, one of my geology lecturers from when i was doing a degree in geology in ediburgh was involved in the initial discovery of the magnetic variations in the oceanic crust. that must have been such an exciting time to be a marine geophysicist!
on the subject of global warming: humanity keeps pushing the extremes of the global cycles further and further, and sooner rather than later IMO its going to come back and bite us in the ass
It's 9.35pm.
I'm sitting here in naught but a pair of red (very) briefs, with a fan on max... and the thermometer on the wall reads 89degF...
It was over 105degF today and they are predicting (which translates to about 2deg cooler than what it will actually get to), a temperature of 105degF tomorrow...
...this is an in the shade measurement, outside under direct sun, thats up around 116degF
...we tend to go around with a syphon hose and a bucket this time of year, cleaning up the melted tourists... :D
[B]for contrast...
It's 9.35pm.
I'm sitting here in naught but a pair of red (very) briefs, with a fan on max... and the thermometer on the wall reads 89degF...
It was over 105degF today and they are predicting (which translates to about 2deg cooler than what it will actually get to), a temperature of 105degF tomorrow...
...this is an in the shade measurement, outside under direct sun, thats up around 116degF
...we tend to go around with a syphon hose and a bucket this time of year, cleaning up the melted tourists... :D [/B][/QUOTE]
And....you live in Australia...... :rolleyes:
SC... uhm... do you have a gold star for Geography ?
What part of 'for contrast' do you not understand ?
*feels thoat suddenly tighten*
urrrchk... kkkch...
[B]Yeah I remember learning about that too, was interesting stuff.
What seems to be happening here is that winter is starting much later than usual, pushing it further into february and march. Plays havoc with my dad when it comes to sowing crops etc, puts it all out of sync.
Hey Dax you can make your own snow! Just get loads of ice cubes and chuck em in a high rpm blender and away you go :) [/B][/QUOTE]
LOL I only wish. I think that living by the water makes things more extreme, like if it is cold, it's going to be colder by the water and if it's warm, it's going to be warmer by the water because there is nothing else in the way...
It's cold in NYC (-6 degrees C right now) but we aren't supposed to get precipatation until Wed..when the high will be 14 degrees C... which will mean rain.. :(
[B]Whoah, what? No. Proximity to an ocean or a sea makes the climate [i]far[/i] more temperate. Large bodies of water act as thermal regulation for a climate because they flow and are capable of absorbing massive amounts of thermal energy. In the summer, they remain cooler than the ambient temperature, and in the winter, they remain significantly warmer. When you go inland, weather gets a lot more extreme. The climate in New York is a hell of a lot more temperate than Iowa. [/B][/QUOTE]
Along the coast it is, yup. I however am in upstate. We have what is called the lovely Lake Effect from the Lakes Erie and Ontario. Snow, [i]Snow[/i], [i][b]SNOW!![/b][/i] Oh yeah and ice too. :(
Lake effect snow is a separate phenomenon and is essentially what you get from an inland climate (and the extremity that comes with it) combined with a huge source of moisture that isn't huge [i]enough[/i] to also significantly temper that extremity. Keep in mind that the currents that bring you snow, before passing over the lakes, first cross a [i]lot[/i] of land in the Midwest and inland Canada.
[B]Im not really Biggles... my parents are/did.. I inherited this silly American thermometer from them[/B][/QUOTE]
You know what you need to do then, don't you? Scratch out that silly scale and replace it with a sensible one, like Kelvin!
So I go outside to find a fountain squirting out the side of my house...
:rolleyes:
So there went my day off...
Supposed to have reached 10F-15F degrees last night.
*such is life*...
Good part is it happened outside and not inside... *whew!*