[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by WHY [/i]
[B]Cue Tyvar screaming the exact opposite and claiming that anyone who professes atheism has no soul or whatnot.
Also, the pilgrims were running from the Anglicans, not the Catholics.
On that note, fuck the pilgrims, fuck them with a nail-studded club. [/B][/QUOTE]
I dont claim they have no soul, I just claim from a strictly logical standpoint its impossible to construct a hard moral theory with atheism as its basis, you end up with Relativism at best and nihilism at worst.. actualy to me relativism ends in a soft nihilism anyways, so yeah, thats my story and Im stickin to it byotch!
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by WHY [/i]
[B]Sure, noone worried about it.
But in all likelyhood it [i]happened[/i] about as often as it does today. [/B][/QUOTE]
To refute peoples claims about the 50's just as bad, all I have to do is point to the homicide rate during the 50's was lower then it is today, by about 1 to 2 per 100,000..
And unlike the other crimes here mentioned its kinda hard to "suppress" or handwave away dead bodies, even in racialy motivated killings the murder still went on the books, it just was never solved.
Ironicly 2004 saw the US with its lowest murder rate at 5.5 per 100,000 since 1966...
grrr I get insomnia and I end up talking about homicide, how typical.. ;)
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Random Chaos [/i]
[B]I always knew Tyvar had trouble recognizing that type of thing :p [/B][/QUOTE]
I recongnized it quite well, cause I was thinking arethusas avatar "is kinda cute for a doodle", then again, was that one of the nights I was tying one on at the lair? that would explain alot.
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Stingray [/i]
[B]It's nice to see that our local know-it-all, doesn't.[/B][/QUOTE]
I do hope you're not talking about me, because I don't recall ever claiming to be a know-it-all, local or otherwise.
Since it is obvious that *some* of us care about our choices, then it does matter who holds the senate and house.... however.. I do agree that we are still going to see a moral decline... but I am hopeful that since yesterday's changes are ones we haven't seen in 12 years something good might come of it. [/B][/QUOTE]
Well considering the democrats for most of the 20th century have controlled at least one house, if not both houses of congress, and were still at this point, your idea that somehow the democratic party is the salvation of america rings a little hollow.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyvar [/i]
[B]your idea that somehow the democratic party is the salvation of america rings a little hollow. [/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Biggles [/i]
[B]I do hope you're not talking about me, because I don't recall ever claiming to be a know-it-all, local or otherwise. [/B][/QUOTE]
I wouldn't dream of it, but then you knew that probably too. :D
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyvar [/i]
[B]To refute peoples claims about the 50's just as bad, all I have to do is point to the homicide rate during the 50's was lower then it is today, by about 1 to 2 per 100,000..
And unlike the other crimes here mentioned its kinda hard to "suppress" or handwave away dead bodies, even in racialy motivated killings the murder still went on the books, it just was never solved.
Ironicly 2004 saw the US with its lowest murder rate at 5.5 per 100,000 since 1966...
grrr I get insomnia and I end up talking about homicide, how typical.. ;) [/B][/QUOTE] That's nice, except the homicide rate between 1950-1960 averaged in around 4.8 per 100,000
Thats an average of 4.48 which is 1 point lower then average so far for this decade, 2 to 3 points lower then the average from the years between 1960 and 2000.
Sharply rising at the end of the decade yet, but in general lower then american homicde even until now.
That data is from the 2004 FBI Unified Crime Report BTW, where did you get the 4.8 figure from?
oh biggles just pointed out, I think you might have miss understood my initial post, I didnt mean that the murder rate in the US was 1 to 2 per 100,000, during the decade, but that it was LOWER then the CURRENT homicide rate, by about 1 to 2, IE 4 something versus 5 to 6 something, which it has been trending towards recently.
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[B]Cue Tyvar screaming the exact opposite and claiming that anyone who professes atheism has no soul or whatnot.
Also, the pilgrims were running from the Anglicans, not the Catholics.
On that note, fuck the pilgrims, fuck them with a nail-studded club. [/B][/QUOTE]
I dont claim they have no soul, I just claim from a strictly logical standpoint its impossible to construct a hard moral theory with atheism as its basis, you end up with Relativism at best and nihilism at worst.. actualy to me relativism ends in a soft nihilism anyways, so yeah, thats my story and Im stickin to it byotch!
[B]Sure, noone worried about it.
But in all likelyhood it [i]happened[/i] about as often as it does today. [/B][/QUOTE]
To refute peoples claims about the 50's just as bad, all I have to do is point to the homicide rate during the 50's was lower then it is today, by about 1 to 2 per 100,000..
And unlike the other crimes here mentioned its kinda hard to "suppress" or handwave away dead bodies, even in racialy motivated killings the murder still went on the books, it just was never solved.
Ironicly 2004 saw the US with its lowest murder rate at 5.5 per 100,000 since 1966...
grrr I get insomnia and I end up talking about homicide, how typical.. ;)
[B]I always knew Tyvar had trouble recognizing that type of thing :p [/B][/QUOTE]
I recongnized it quite well, cause I was thinking arethusas avatar "is kinda cute for a doodle", then again, was that one of the nights I was tying one on at the lair? that would explain alot.
[B]It's nice to see that our local know-it-all, doesn't.[/B][/QUOTE]
I do hope you're not talking about me, because I don't recall ever claiming to be a know-it-all, local or otherwise.
[B]
Since it is obvious that *some* of us care about our choices, then it does matter who holds the senate and house.... however.. I do agree that we are still going to see a moral decline... but I am hopeful that since yesterday's changes are ones we haven't seen in 12 years something good might come of it. [/B][/QUOTE]
Well considering the democrats for most of the 20th century have controlled at least one house, if not both houses of congress, and were still at this point, your idea that somehow the democratic party is the salvation of america rings a little hollow.
[B]your idea that somehow the democratic party is the salvation of america rings a little hollow. [/B][/QUOTE]
*points at her Canadian heritage*
umm... yeah I never said that!
[B]I do hope you're not talking about me, because I don't recall ever claiming to be a know-it-all, local or otherwise. [/B][/QUOTE]
I wouldn't dream of it, but then you knew that probably too. :D
[B]To refute peoples claims about the 50's just as bad, all I have to do is point to the homicide rate during the 50's was lower then it is today, by about 1 to 2 per 100,000..
And unlike the other crimes here mentioned its kinda hard to "suppress" or handwave away dead bodies, even in racialy motivated killings the murder still went on the books, it just was never solved.
Ironicly 2004 saw the US with its lowest murder rate at 5.5 per 100,000 since 1966...
grrr I get insomnia and I end up talking about homicide, how typical.. ;) [/B][/QUOTE] That's nice, except the homicide rate between 1950-1960 averaged in around 4.8 per 100,000
[B]That's nice, except the homicide rate between 1950-1960 averaged in around 4.8 per 100,000 [/B][/QUOTE]
here is the actual homicide rates
1950 4.6
1951 4.4
1952 4.6
1953 4.5
1954 4.2
1955 4.1
1956 4.1
1957 4.0
1958 4.8
1959 4.9
1960 5.1
Thats an average of 4.48 which is 1 point lower then average so far for this decade, 2 to 3 points lower then the average from the years between 1960 and 2000.
Sharply rising at the end of the decade yet, but in general lower then american homicde even until now.
That data is from the 2004 FBI Unified Crime Report BTW, where did you get the 4.8 figure from?
oh biggles just pointed out, I think you might have miss understood my initial post, I didnt mean that the murder rate in the US was 1 to 2 per 100,000, during the decade, but that it was LOWER then the CURRENT homicide rate, by about 1 to 2, IE 4 something versus 5 to 6 something, which it has been trending towards recently.
My mistake.