[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Falcon1 [/i]
[b]"Honestly, I don't plan on ever releasing the
scores in their independent episodes. They just wouldn't make for exciting albums that way. However, there's a "bonus" album in the works that will
include tracks that didn't make Season 1, 2 or 3 CDs. It will probably be released this time next year.
-Bear"
/B][/QUOTE]
Fantastic! I remember hearing him mention either having Season 2 as a 2-Disc set or having a bonus album because there were still some tracks he wasn't able to stuff into the season 1 CD that he wanted to get out there.
I'm going to have to remember to e-mail him and put in a good word for the music from the Spoiler: "High road past the rocky ridge" scene in "Home Pt.1," the downloading sequences at the beginning of "Downloaded," and the drumbeat that was used when Adama decided to abandon New Caprica in "Lay Down Your Burdens" and when Pegasus saved the day in "Exodus Pt. 2." I know it was in the "Worthy of Survival" track, but I'd like to hear it without the rest of the orchestra stealing the show. Going way back, the Boomer/Tyrol love theme from "Litmus." He's mentioned it as a prime example of something he thought he'd use a lot that ended up going nowhere, but its almost impossible to hear in the episode.
And, on the off chance it's his and not some kind of stock trailer music, I liked the violin piece that played over the episode previews in season one and early season 2.
Yeah drop him an email, he got back to me very quickly, the next day actually so that was cool.
[Spoiler]Yeah I've asked him to include the final part of the Exodus Pt2 battle sequence in the next cd releases, i.e. the bit when the cameras pull back, Galactica looks doomed and then Pegasus arrives saving the day and ending with the basestar ramming... that whole music sequence was just brilliant! Don't recall that theme from Litmus, may have to rewatch and listen for it. I find I'm doing that for season 2 at the moment, watching it all again but paying close attention to the music as well.[/Spoiler]
I actually listen to the BSG soundtracks on a daily basis, find its great stuff to work to.
Btw Virgin UK has got the mini series on offer for £2.99 inc postage, bargain!! Just a heads up for those of us on this side of the water.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by David of Mac [/i]
[B]
And, on the off chance it's his and not some kind of stock trailer music, I liked the violin piece that played over the episode previews in season one and early season 2.[/B][/QUOTE]
Track 5 of the season 2 album. Its a very long piece that contains that violin section.
Iffy. It was ok. Admittedly, a substantial improvement over the last episode, but I'm not optimistic with Boxingstar Galactica up next. When did Ron Moore get fucked in the head?
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Arethusa [/i]
[B]Iffy. It was ok. Admittedly, a substantial improvement over the last episode, but I'm not optimistic with Boxingstar Galactica up next. When did Ron Moore get fucked in the head? [/B][/QUOTE]
Never mention mention that obsenity known as TKO. That makes Black Market look like a masterpiece. Anyway, go to [url]www.scifi.com/battlestar[/url] until 2:00am and you can see the extended preview for the next ep. Looks like lots of scantily clad Starbuck. Yummy, I can pass a poor story for one episode of that :D
Oh, and D'Anna got whacked good! Take that you bitch!
[Spoiler]I liked the backstory we got on Adama. We finally get to see why a great commander was put in charge of such a rust-bucket as Galactica. I also liked the realization at the end that no one thing led to the annihilation of mankind--they all share blame. An interesting commentary, that people should take to heart... no one can be truly free of sin.
Oh, and I liked the Battlestar Valkyrie... very cool.
On a side note, I think all of this talk about the show going downhill is an overreaction. It was one so-so episode in a season that's been really good IMHO.
I prefer looking at the story arc as a whole rather than rating individual episodes. While the next episode doesn't look too promising, even if it is bad, I still think this is the best show on television.
Spoiler: Man, I knew Starbuck was now budy buddy with Tigh now, but this episode really took it to a new level. She went straight to him without even bothering going to Lee or Bill.
For a second there I thought Adama was going to quit and have Lee take over.
Oh and the stealth ship was pretty neat looking. But why does it have wings?
I liked the episode. I had been assuming that the Three who had been having dreams about God was the one from Downloaded, but this one makes it seem that she's actually D'anna, from Final Cut. There's no reason for the other Three to have nightmares about being chased by marines on Galactica. And the idea that she would have herself killed for the resurrection high was interesting.
My only complaints were that I thought the Valkyrie was a hideous ship, and that that event should've taken place a longer time ago. The mini implied heavily that Adama had been on Galactica for at least three years, likely longer, while this episode says that it would've been less than a year. I rather liked my old interpretation better, that Adama had just been on Galactica for a while, and that they were both being put out to pasture together (the ship mostly thanks to Adama refusing computer upgrade after computer upgrade, causing her to take a stately fall to the bottom of the "ready" list). He does seem to have a history with the ship and the crew, but having him be her commander for such a short time undercuts that. Now, I almost wonder why he didn't transfer his flag to Pegasus. Without deep sentimental reasons, there's nothing else that springs to mind.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by David of Mac [/i]
[B] Spoiler: ...so it can fly?
I liked the episode. I had been assuming that the Three who had been having dreams about God was the one from Downloaded, but this one makes it seem that she's actually D'anna, from Final Cut. There's no reason for the other Three to have nightmares about being chased by marines on Galactica. And the idea that she would have herself killed for the resurrection high was interesting.
My only complaints were that I thought the Valkyrie was a hideous ship, and that that event should've taken place a longer time ago. The mini implied heavily that Adama had been on Galactica for at least three years, likely longer, while this episode says that it would've been less than a year. I rather liked my old interpretation better, that Adama had just been on Galactica for a while, and that they were both being put out to pasture together (the ship mostly thanks to Adama refusing computer upgrade after computer upgrade, causing her to take a stately fall to the bottom of the "ready" list). He does seem to have a history with the ship and the crew, but having him be her commander for such a short time undercuts that. Now, I almost wonder why he didn't transfer his flag to Pegasus. Without deep sentimental reasons, there's nothing else that springs to mind. [/B][/QUOTE]
Spoiler: But its a SPACE ship! It don't need no stinkin wings! Guess it must be atmosphere capable too.
The cut the timing pretty close. But everything in the Mini actually points out to 2 years of them knowing each other. I always got the idea that Adama had been the commander of Galactica for a really long time but it fits with the Mini. I think RDM was actually carefull about making this fit. There are comments by a couple of people most notably the chief about the last two years being an honor serving with him. Zachs funeral being two years earlier when Starbuck met Adama for the first time. Sharon was also refered to two years with Adama. It could be that they came on board only two years before but the general feeling is that the current Galactica crew had been together 2 years before the attack. A year and some months in the run, 3 years sounds tight but reasonable. I really wonder if RDM actually had some loose idea from the begining he wanted this to happen or if it was just thought up along the way. He's akways had some idea on the long term arc but its not always easy to tell the way they do things.
Also interesting how this Novacheck was imprisoned yet had access to hair stylist to keep his hair cut and do those nifty dreadlocks. I guess the sixes get bored and play hair stylist with their subjects.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by David of Mac [/i]
[B] Spoiler: The mini implied heavily that Adama had been on Galactica for at least three years, likely longer, while this episode says that it would've been less than a year. I rather liked my old interpretation better, that Adama had just been on Galactica for a while, and that they were both being put out to pasture together (the ship mostly thanks to Adama refusing computer upgrade after computer upgrade, causing her to take a stately fall to the bottom of the "ready" list). He does seem to have a history with the ship and the crew, but having him be her commander for such a short time undercuts that. Now, I almost wonder why he didn't transfer his flag to Pegasus. Without deep sentimental reasons, there's nothing else that springs to mind. [/B][/QUOTE]
Spoiler: I thought that the Galactica is where Adama served as a young officer in the first Cylon/Colonial war. So I would imagine he does have a close attatchment.
Spoiler: Yep, he was indeed on the Galactica for at least part of the war, but I got the impression that it was longer. Anyone remember the line in "Master and Commander" about the captain having so much blood, sweat, and tears poured into the ship over his life that it could be considered a relative? Like that. Moreover, I'd gotten the impression that Adama [i]wanted[/i] to be on Galactica, and that it wasn't a punishment. Same with Tigh, really. Remember "Pegasus"? "Sorry, no one gets to insult your ship but you."
And as for the mini, Gaeta said that he'd been serving under Adama for three years. Meanwhile, Bulldog said he'd been a Cylon prisoner for three years. The series, so far, has taken up about 28 months, or two and a quarter years. So Adama wouldn't have been on Galactica that long at the time of the miniseries, and both Gaeta and Boomer would've first served under Adama when he was still on the Valkyrie. I understand [i]why[/i] they didn't have Bulldog be prisoner for five or six years, but I don't think they had the leeway to actually make his time as short as they did.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Vorlons in my Head [/i]
[B]Also interesting how this Novacheck was imprisoned yet had access to hair stylist to keep his hair cut and do those nifty dreadlocks. I guess the sixes get bored and play hair stylist with their subjects. [/B][/QUOTE]
I am visualizing a very effiminate member of the Final Five casually chatting it up while bulldog is chained to a barber's chair.
Spoiler: Perhaps many of the people from the Valkyrie followed Adama to the Galactica along with Tigh. It really does fit the timeline (as stated above) and logic being that when they decided to retire the Galactica, they felt it would be a fitting send-off to have Adama retire with it.
Spoiler: But if Boomer, a Cylon sleeper spy, had started serving with Adama before he showed the Cylons precisely how crazy humanity was, then as soon as he learned the truth about her, he'd have no reason to think he was responsible. Even if you do accept that a nation can send spies someplace without necessarily wanting to make war on it, there seems little reason to send in a sleeper agent unless you meant to use her.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Vorlons in my Head [/i]
[B]Hey did anyone catch Doctor Who tonight? Were those alien things Pak'ma'ra complete with translator bulb doohickeys? [/B][/QUOTE]
Heh I was thinking that too...
Loved the cavern and the black hole FX. Very nice stuff!
OK, nevermind everything I said. The numbers simply don't add up. RDM screwed the timeline up REAL good and basically pulled the rug from right under the mini-series. The chief supposedly served with Adama for 5 years and in season 1 when he's being interrogated and mentions all the battlestars he's served and never mentioned the Valkyrie. They really let that one slip real bad. Too bad because it was a pretty good episode that was messed up by some stupid lines on the timing of everything. This pretty much throws everything in the mini-series out of whack. Maybe in the DVD version they can dub over when they say the dates and make things fit. For the first time I'm really pissed off at the way they fucked up an episode.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Vorlons in my Head [/i]
[B]OK, nevermind everything I said. The numbers simply don't add up. RDM screwed the timeline up REAL good and basically pulled the rug from right under the mini-series. The chief supposedly served with Adama for 5 years and in season 1 when he's being interrogated and mentions all the battlestars he's served and never mentioned the Valkyrie. They really let that one slip real bad. Too bad because it was a pretty good episode that was messed up by some stupid lines on the timing of everything. This pretty much throws everything in the mini-series out of whack. Maybe in the DVD version they can dub over when they say the dates and make things fit. For the first time I'm really pissed off at the way they fucked up an episode. [/B][/QUOTE]
oh boy...oh no...my faith in the entire series has been shaken...I am no longer entertained. End the series right now. close it down.
I kid, but sometimes it really amuses me how worked up people get over 'slips'...I appreciate attention to continuity as much as the next guy, but it is certainly not enough to 'piss me off.'
Forgive me if I'm too forward...I'm a little be D-R-U-N_K
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Vorlons in my Head [/i]
[B]OK, nevermind everything I said. The numbers simply don't add up. RDM screwed the timeline up REAL good and basically pulled the rug from right under the mini-series. The chief supposedly served with Adama for 5 years and in season 1 when he's being interrogated and mentions all the battlestars he's served and never mentioned the Valkyrie. They really let that one slip real bad. Too bad because it was a pretty good episode that was messed up by some stupid lines on the timing of everything. This pretty much throws everything in the mini-series out of whack. Maybe in the DVD version they can dub over when they say the dates and make things fit. For the first time I'm really pissed off at the way they fucked up an episode. [/B][/QUOTE]
It's the same fucking shit. Ron Moore turned the show into Star Trek.
Seriously, though, backstory continuity bothers you more than everything else that has been a complete fucking disaster in the last three episodes? Well, get ready, because in two weeks it's hat trick + 1!
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by JackN [/i]
[B]Pardon me...
But was there ever REALLY a mention about the Valkyrie being a battlestar?
Secondly, it was a special Black Ops mission, who said this was a commision any longer than the Mission took?
Did I miss some dialog about the Valkyrie?
I remember Adama stating he wanted his people for it if he did the mission, and specifically a certain pilot...
:) [/B][/QUOTE]
Thats a theory that has beem tossed around. He was given the Valkyrie specifically for that mission. But then that falls apart with later dialog which specifically emphazises that the Valkyrie was Adama's previous command, and he was sent to Galactica for his last year as a way of stuffing him away in an old junker for screwing up that op. It doesn't matter if its technically a Battlestar or not (which it really looks like one), it was his command and that was clearly emphazised. Normally all is good except that it it falls apart in a lot of season one episodes where its directly inferred that Adama has been in command of Galactica with the chief for 5 years, Starbuck for 2 1/2 years after Zachs death when she met Adama. Adama specifically mentions he's the commander of Galactica when meeting Starbuck. Gaeta mentions he's served for three years under Adama in Galactica. Boomer was infiltrated as a sleeper two years prior to the attack. If Boomer was already a sleeper a year before the black op then that means the cylons were in fact already planning the attack at least a year before the incident. And there are a few more. Then this bulldog character was supposedly one of Adama's pilots for up to the year before tha attack when the op took place. The catch is no one other than Tigh and Adama had heard of him.
This is not the first time timeline slips have taken place. Downloaded and Epiphanies slipped in the dates on the flashbacks and they corrected that on the DVD's. You can try and hammer and spin the reasons for everything in this episode to fit the story but you can't shake of the knowledge that no matter how they spin it, they let it slip a little to fragrantly this time. I'm not saying I'm going to stop watching because of that. I thought it was still overall a very good ep, but such EASILY avoidable blunders like that are dissapointing. This show has done a lot to avoid falling into the typical sci fi show and trek blunders, but when you start to specifically contradict prior set fundamental plotlines for the sake of a single episode it really starts to undermine the quality of the experience. Besides, we are all B5 fans, where this sort of timeline stuff is very tight. I would expect no less from BSG! :cool:
Comments
[b]"Honestly, I don't plan on ever releasing the
scores in their independent episodes. They just wouldn't make for exciting albums that way. However, there's a "bonus" album in the works that will
include tracks that didn't make Season 1, 2 or 3 CDs. It will probably be released this time next year.
-Bear"
/B][/QUOTE]
Fantastic! I remember hearing him mention either having Season 2 as a 2-Disc set or having a bonus album because there were still some tracks he wasn't able to stuff into the season 1 CD that he wanted to get out there.
I'm going to have to remember to e-mail him and put in a good word for the music from the Spoiler: "High road past the rocky ridge" scene in "Home Pt.1," the downloading sequences at the beginning of "Downloaded," and the drumbeat that was used when Adama decided to abandon New Caprica in "Lay Down Your Burdens" and when Pegasus saved the day in "Exodus Pt. 2." I know it was in the "Worthy of Survival" track, but I'd like to hear it without the rest of the orchestra stealing the show. Going way back, the Boomer/Tyrol love theme from "Litmus." He's mentioned it as a prime example of something he thought he'd use a lot that ended up going nowhere, but its almost impossible to hear in the episode.
And, on the off chance it's his and not some kind of stock trailer music, I liked the violin piece that played over the episode previews in season one and early season 2.
[Spoiler]Yeah I've asked him to include the final part of the Exodus Pt2 battle sequence in the next cd releases, i.e. the bit when the cameras pull back, Galactica looks doomed and then Pegasus arrives saving the day and ending with the basestar ramming... that whole music sequence was just brilliant! Don't recall that theme from Litmus, may have to rewatch and listen for it. I find I'm doing that for season 2 at the moment, watching it all again but paying close attention to the music as well.[/Spoiler]
I actually listen to the BSG soundtracks on a daily basis, find its great stuff to work to.
Btw Virgin UK has got the mini series on offer for £2.99 inc postage, bargain!! Just a heads up for those of us on this side of the water.
[B]
And, on the off chance it's his and not some kind of stock trailer music, I liked the violin piece that played over the episode previews in season one and early season 2.[/B][/QUOTE]
Track 5 of the season 2 album. Its a very long piece that contains that violin section.
Redeemed!
:D
Much better!
:)
[B]Iffy. It was ok. Admittedly, a substantial improvement over the last episode, but I'm not optimistic with Boxingstar Galactica up next. When did Ron Moore get fucked in the head? [/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah I saw that too...
First Wrestling now Boxing?
WTF?
:p
Oh, and D'Anna got whacked good! Take that you bitch!
[Spoiler]I liked the backstory we got on Adama. We finally get to see why a great commander was put in charge of such a rust-bucket as Galactica. I also liked the realization at the end that no one thing led to the annihilation of mankind--they all share blame. An interesting commentary, that people should take to heart... no one can be truly free of sin.
Oh, and I liked the Battlestar Valkyrie... very cool.
On a side note, I think all of this talk about the show going downhill is an overreaction. It was one so-so episode in a season that's been really good IMHO.
I prefer looking at the story arc as a whole rather than rating individual episodes. While the next episode doesn't look too promising, even if it is bad, I still think this is the best show on television.
For a second there I thought Adama was going to quit and have Lee take over.
Oh and the stealth ship was pretty neat looking. But why does it have wings?
I liked the episode. I had been assuming that the Three who had been having dreams about God was the one from Downloaded, but this one makes it seem that she's actually D'anna, from Final Cut. There's no reason for the other Three to have nightmares about being chased by marines on Galactica. And the idea that she would have herself killed for the resurrection high was interesting.
My only complaints were that I thought the Valkyrie was a hideous ship, and that that event should've taken place a longer time ago. The mini implied heavily that Adama had been on Galactica for at least three years, likely longer, while this episode says that it would've been less than a year. I rather liked my old interpretation better, that Adama had just been on Galactica for a while, and that they were both being put out to pasture together (the ship mostly thanks to Adama refusing computer upgrade after computer upgrade, causing her to take a stately fall to the bottom of the "ready" list). He does seem to have a history with the ship and the crew, but having him be her commander for such a short time undercuts that. Now, I almost wonder why he didn't transfer his flag to Pegasus. Without deep sentimental reasons, there's nothing else that springs to mind.
[B] Spoiler: ...so it can fly?
I liked the episode. I had been assuming that the Three who had been having dreams about God was the one from Downloaded, but this one makes it seem that she's actually D'anna, from Final Cut. There's no reason for the other Three to have nightmares about being chased by marines on Galactica. And the idea that she would have herself killed for the resurrection high was interesting.
My only complaints were that I thought the Valkyrie was a hideous ship, and that that event should've taken place a longer time ago. The mini implied heavily that Adama had been on Galactica for at least three years, likely longer, while this episode says that it would've been less than a year. I rather liked my old interpretation better, that Adama had just been on Galactica for a while, and that they were both being put out to pasture together (the ship mostly thanks to Adama refusing computer upgrade after computer upgrade, causing her to take a stately fall to the bottom of the "ready" list). He does seem to have a history with the ship and the crew, but having him be her commander for such a short time undercuts that. Now, I almost wonder why he didn't transfer his flag to Pegasus. Without deep sentimental reasons, there's nothing else that springs to mind. [/B][/QUOTE]
Spoiler: But its a SPACE ship! It don't need no stinkin wings! Guess it must be atmosphere capable too.
The cut the timing pretty close. But everything in the Mini actually points out to 2 years of them knowing each other. I always got the idea that Adama had been the commander of Galactica for a really long time but it fits with the Mini. I think RDM was actually carefull about making this fit. There are comments by a couple of people most notably the chief about the last two years being an honor serving with him. Zachs funeral being two years earlier when Starbuck met Adama for the first time. Sharon was also refered to two years with Adama. It could be that they came on board only two years before but the general feeling is that the current Galactica crew had been together 2 years before the attack. A year and some months in the run, 3 years sounds tight but reasonable. I really wonder if RDM actually had some loose idea from the begining he wanted this to happen or if it was just thought up along the way. He's akways had some idea on the long term arc but its not always easy to tell the way they do things.
[B] Spoiler: The mini implied heavily that Adama had been on Galactica for at least three years, likely longer, while this episode says that it would've been less than a year. I rather liked my old interpretation better, that Adama had just been on Galactica for a while, and that they were both being put out to pasture together (the ship mostly thanks to Adama refusing computer upgrade after computer upgrade, causing her to take a stately fall to the bottom of the "ready" list). He does seem to have a history with the ship and the crew, but having him be her commander for such a short time undercuts that. Now, I almost wonder why he didn't transfer his flag to Pegasus. Without deep sentimental reasons, there's nothing else that springs to mind. [/B][/QUOTE]
Spoiler: I thought that the Galactica is where Adama served as a young officer in the first Cylon/Colonial war. So I would imagine he does have a close attatchment.
And as for the mini, Gaeta said that he'd been serving under Adama for three years. Meanwhile, Bulldog said he'd been a Cylon prisoner for three years. The series, so far, has taken up about 28 months, or two and a quarter years. So Adama wouldn't have been on Galactica that long at the time of the miniseries, and both Gaeta and Boomer would've first served under Adama when he was still on the Valkyrie. I understand [i]why[/i] they didn't have Bulldog be prisoner for five or six years, but I don't think they had the leeway to actually make his time as short as they did.
[B]Also interesting how this Novacheck was imprisoned yet had access to hair stylist to keep his hair cut and do those nifty dreadlocks. I guess the sixes get bored and play hair stylist with their subjects. [/B][/QUOTE]
I am visualizing a very effiminate member of the Final Five casually chatting it up while bulldog is chained to a barber's chair.
[B]Hey did anyone catch Doctor Who tonight? Were those alien things Pak'ma'ra complete with translator bulb doohickeys? [/B][/QUOTE]
Heh I was thinking that too...
Loved the cavern and the black hole FX. Very nice stuff!
[B]OK, nevermind everything I said. The numbers simply don't add up. RDM screwed the timeline up REAL good and basically pulled the rug from right under the mini-series. The chief supposedly served with Adama for 5 years and in season 1 when he's being interrogated and mentions all the battlestars he's served and never mentioned the Valkyrie. They really let that one slip real bad. Too bad because it was a pretty good episode that was messed up by some stupid lines on the timing of everything. This pretty much throws everything in the mini-series out of whack. Maybe in the DVD version they can dub over when they say the dates and make things fit. For the first time I'm really pissed off at the way they fucked up an episode. [/B][/QUOTE]
oh boy...oh no...my faith in the entire series has been shaken...I am no longer entertained. End the series right now. close it down.
I kid, but sometimes it really amuses me how worked up people get over 'slips'...I appreciate attention to continuity as much as the next guy, but it is certainly not enough to 'piss me off.'
Forgive me if I'm too forward...I'm a little be D-R-U-N_K
But was there ever REALLY a mention about the Valkyrie being a battlestar?
Secondly, it was a special Black Ops mission, who said this was a commision any longer than the Mission took?
Did I miss some dialog about the Valkyrie?
I remember Adama stating he wanted his people for it if he did the mission, and specifically a certain pilot...
:)
[B]OK, nevermind everything I said. The numbers simply don't add up. RDM screwed the timeline up REAL good and basically pulled the rug from right under the mini-series. The chief supposedly served with Adama for 5 years and in season 1 when he's being interrogated and mentions all the battlestars he's served and never mentioned the Valkyrie. They really let that one slip real bad. Too bad because it was a pretty good episode that was messed up by some stupid lines on the timing of everything. This pretty much throws everything in the mini-series out of whack. Maybe in the DVD version they can dub over when they say the dates and make things fit. For the first time I'm really pissed off at the way they fucked up an episode. [/B][/QUOTE]
It's the same fucking shit. Ron Moore turned the show into Star Trek.
Seriously, though, backstory continuity bothers you more than everything else that has been a complete fucking disaster in the last three episodes? Well, get ready, because in two weeks it's hat trick + 1!
[B]Pardon me...
But was there ever REALLY a mention about the Valkyrie being a battlestar?
Secondly, it was a special Black Ops mission, who said this was a commision any longer than the Mission took?
Did I miss some dialog about the Valkyrie?
I remember Adama stating he wanted his people for it if he did the mission, and specifically a certain pilot...
:) [/B][/QUOTE]
Yes, it was explicitly called the battlestar Valkyrie.
The impression was given that personnel and equipment (stealth ship for recon) were mission specific, but not the battlestar itself.
[B]Pardon me...
But was there ever REALLY a mention about the Valkyrie being a battlestar?
Secondly, it was a special Black Ops mission, who said this was a commision any longer than the Mission took?
Did I miss some dialog about the Valkyrie?
I remember Adama stating he wanted his people for it if he did the mission, and specifically a certain pilot...
:) [/B][/QUOTE]
Thats a theory that has beem tossed around. He was given the Valkyrie specifically for that mission. But then that falls apart with later dialog which specifically emphazises that the Valkyrie was Adama's previous command, and he was sent to Galactica for his last year as a way of stuffing him away in an old junker for screwing up that op. It doesn't matter if its technically a Battlestar or not (which it really looks like one), it was his command and that was clearly emphazised. Normally all is good except that it it falls apart in a lot of season one episodes where its directly inferred that Adama has been in command of Galactica with the chief for 5 years, Starbuck for 2 1/2 years after Zachs death when she met Adama. Adama specifically mentions he's the commander of Galactica when meeting Starbuck. Gaeta mentions he's served for three years under Adama in Galactica. Boomer was infiltrated as a sleeper two years prior to the attack. If Boomer was already a sleeper a year before the black op then that means the cylons were in fact already planning the attack at least a year before the incident. And there are a few more. Then this bulldog character was supposedly one of Adama's pilots for up to the year before tha attack when the op took place. The catch is no one other than Tigh and Adama had heard of him.
This is not the first time timeline slips have taken place. Downloaded and Epiphanies slipped in the dates on the flashbacks and they corrected that on the DVD's. You can try and hammer and spin the reasons for everything in this episode to fit the story but you can't shake of the knowledge that no matter how they spin it, they let it slip a little to fragrantly this time. I'm not saying I'm going to stop watching because of that. I thought it was still overall a very good ep, but such EASILY avoidable blunders like that are dissapointing. This show has done a lot to avoid falling into the typical sci fi show and trek blunders, but when you start to specifically contradict prior set fundamental plotlines for the sake of a single episode it really starts to undermine the quality of the experience. Besides, we are all B5 fans, where this sort of timeline stuff is very tight. I would expect no less from BSG! :cool: