Wooohoooo!!!!!!!! Best episode ever!!! Who cares about anything else! Kat is Spoiler: DEAD!!! Sorry, Kat was the one character who was obnoxious in all the wrong ways.
Spoiler: I wonder how many were lost during the jumps... I would imagine quite a few. There were 41,440 at the beginning. I guess we'll find out next episode.
I think they got around a few things here with some snappy dialog.
Spoiler: Lee mentions that the civilian ships aren't structurally sound enough to go through the storm and protect its occupants, so thats why they were bringing people on board to begin with. The guy who recognized Kat was brought on board from another ship. Thus they only people lost on any of the ships was the skeleton crew. This does bring up some other issues though.
1. Ok, we blew up several ships at the end of season 2 when the Pegasus Gina used the nuke.
2. I think it was established a few ships were permanently grounded on the planet New Caprica.
3. Now we have lost at least 2 more ships through this storm.
Some of the Civilian ships are getting very crowded.
No, it's ok. You see, the crisis is over until next week's Crisis of the Week. Which will also have no consequences or relation to the rest of the show. There will continue to be no characters, only facets of a vague soap operatic unchanging plenum. And there will be no dialogue, only paragraphs of force fed exposition broken down and passed out, sentence at a time, by each present "character".
Maybe, eventually, they'll rebuild the Delta Flyer after Tom Paris crashed it, and Seven will continue to explore her humanity and conflict with the borg.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SpiritOne [/i]
[B]I think they got around a few things here with some snappy dialog.
Spoiler: Lee mentions that the civilian ships aren't structurally sound enough to go through the storm and protect its occupants, so thats why they were bringing people on board to begin with. The guy who recognized Kat was brought on board from another ship. Thus they only people lost on any of the ships was the skeleton crew. This does bring up some other issues though.
1. Ok, we blew up several ships at the end of season 2 when the Pegasus Gina used the nuke.
2. I think it was established a few ships were permanently grounded on the planet New Caprica.
3. Now we have lost at least 2 more ships through this storm.
Some of the Civilian ships are getting very crowded. [/B][/QUOTE]
Spoiler: Only one ship was blown by Gina, Cloud 9, which accounted for the bulk of the missing 8 or 9 thousand people gone now after NC. There is some overcrowding but there are also 20% less people now so a few missing ships wont make much of a difference. I don't hink it was ever mentioned any significant amount of ships were lost in NC. Most if not all the large ones made it off. I didn't keep track but was it 1 or 2 ships they lost this episode? There was one thing that bugged me this episode and its that it felt hard to follow what was going on, but maybe I started drinking too early. Anyway, I can let any mistakes go by, because they killed Kat. Thank You.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Vorlons in my Head [/i]
[B] Spoiler: Only one ship was blown by Gina, Cloud 9, which accounted for the bulk of the missing 8 or 9 thousand people gone now after NC. There is some overcrowding but there are also 20% less people now so a few missing ships wont make much of a difference. I don't hink it was ever mentioned any significant amount of ships were lost in NC. Most if not all the large ones made it off. I didn't keep track but was it 1 or 2 ships they lost this episode? There was one thing that bugged me this episode and its that it felt hard to follow what was going on, but maybe I started drinking too early. Anyway, I can let any mistakes go by, because they killed Kat. Thank You. [/B][/QUOTE]
Spoiler: No Cloud 9 took out at least one other ship when it went up, you can see it as the debris spins outwards another ship gets fried big time.
Regarding Starbuck, I'm getting a bit tired now of the whole "omg Starbuck is soooooo screwed in the head" all the time, I wish the writers would just drop it, we get it, she's messed up but bloody hell this one minute shes fine the next shes not is just getting boring.
I was a bit concerned for sec when I saw that Human Form Replicator come on board Galactica ;)
I stopped caring for the characters a long time ago. They still keep dropping like flies and so it's no big deal anymore at this point. Just sucks for the actors who didn't sign up as Cylons. Don't understand RDM's line of thought, I mean whatever happened to using extras? You know, red-shirts? Of all people he should be the one familiar with that concept.
I liked the SFX shots a lot, the radiation theme put an interesting twist to the plot, although I'm quite sure the science about it is probably not right. If the hull is desintegrating the way they showed it on the raptors, I believe the temperature inside the ship would be too high to sustain life, so radiation would be the last of your problems. The way I understood it they were getting way too close to a cluster of stars.
Anyway, I didn't quite get Starbucks reactions, it seems to me she devolved a bit in this episode. Most characters evolve over time, she even looked a bit younger to me in that last shot. Like it was shot during the first or second season. Very odd. Why would she even care about Kat? Makes no sense at all.
I loved the scene with Tigh and Adama. The laughter felt genuine, blooper-like. :D
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Stingray [/i]
[B]I stopped caring for the characters a long time ago. They still keep dropping like flies and so it's no big deal anymore at this point. Just sucks for the actors who didn't sign up as Cylons. Don't understand RDM's line of thought, I mean whatever happened to using extras? You know, red-shirts? Of all people he should be the one familiar with that concept.[/B][/QUOTE]
But the whole point is so that, when they kill someone, it isn't bullshitty. So that they don't get to the point where the Enterprise beams up five people of a seven member landing party and then leaves the planet, without Captain Kirk even asking who's missing.
Years ago, I once decided that if I ever made a TV show, I'd have a large pool of recurring characters to kill in order to prove the situation is serious, rather than just killing a nameless extra to "prove" the situation is "serious." So this sort of thing is great for me.
Remember the B5 episode where Sheridan was captured and his wingman went back to the station and then died of radiation poisoning? And they had the pilot, who we never saw before, joking around with Garibaldi and Franklin about the World Series. That was, like, halfway bullshit. The guy actually had a character, but he also never appeared before, and died in that episode. Imagine if he'd appeared on and off throughout the show? Then we might actually care about the proud sacrifice of What'sHisName.
This also contributes to my appreciation of the same extras always being in the pilots ready-room scenes, most notably a large, bald asian man with tatooed arms, who appeared in both a flight suit and uniform for the first time last night. It makes it more real.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Arethusa [/i]
[B]No, it's ok. You see, the crisis is over until next week's Crisis of the Week. Which will also have no consequences or relation to the rest of the show. There will continue to be no characters, only facets of a vague soap operatic unchanging plenum. And there will be no dialogue, only paragraphs of force fed exposition broken down and passed out, sentence at a time, by each present "character".
Maybe, eventually, they'll rebuild the Delta Flyer after Tom Paris crashed it, and Seven will continue to explore her humanity and conflict with the borg.
Wait. [/B][/QUOTE]
So... That Tart you baked didn't turn out as good as it looked huh?
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by David of Mac [/i]
[B]But the whole point is so that, when they kill someone, it isn't bullshitty. So that they don't get to the point where the Enterprise beams up five people of a seven member landing party and then leaves the planet, without Captain Kirk even asking who's missing.
Years ago, I once decided that if I ever made a TV show, I'd have a large pool of recurring characters to kill in order to prove the situation is serious, rather than just killing a nameless extra to "prove" the situation is "serious." So this sort of thing is great for me.
[/B][/QUOTE]
Excellent point. I couldn't agree more. I'm sick of knocking off "redshirts" every episode like in most other sci-fi shows. Make it mean something, damnit! ;)
Bullshit. You don't have to kill someone every time something big happens to emphasize how omgthisiseriousguys it is. That's unrepentantly lazy, absolutely shitty writing, and it is producing garbage like The Passage.
I felt they milked the ending for a bit too much pseudosympathy. I didn't care enough about Kat to really feel much either way, and almost immediately in, one could feel they were building up a write-off.
Still, the Cylon aspects of the episode made it worthwhile, though it seemed more like the A-plot was an excuse to make up for a lack of sufficient B-plot to carry the episode. (They *just barely* touched on anything actually significant over the run)
And I mean, Kat got one ship back, but two were lost. Given the fleet's already small size, that's something considerable. We'll just have to see how many lives were lost doing that down the road. with only 41,400-ish left...any drop is a dangerous decrease. Of course, no food would be far worse.
Another thought I had...would it not be possible to mount a raptor to the vessels as nearly fixed navigational device for this mission using whatever grapple method suits them best, or perhaps simply kept them secured within the launch bay? It seems reasonable that the raptor could perform its functions from the vessel itself just fine, and that the "flying solo" bit was just unnecessary complication for the sake of the plot's advancement.
But once again, I'm pushing my mental capacity at this hour. I sleep now.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Sanfam [/i]
[B]
Another thought I had...would it not be possible to mount a raptor to the vessels as nearly fixed navigational device for this mission using whatever grapple method suits them best, or perhaps simply kept them secured within the launch bay? It seems reasonable that the raptor could perform its functions from the vessel itself just fine, and that the "flying solo" bit was just unnecessary complication for the sake of the plot's advancement.
[/B][/QUOTE]
A good point...we haven't (that I recall) seen any FTL jumps made with two ships mated to one another...at least not a Raptor docked through it's simple docking collar. So the mechanics of that have not been examined in great detail (although, whenever the Bucket makes an emergency jump after combat landings, those vipers aren't secured by anymore than magnetic grapple). But mounted in a holding bay...I agree with you there!
True, but if the FTL drives work anything like our beloved Hyperspace engines (just a hell of a lot faster), then I'm guessing the area around the ship is taken with the jump. So, if you attached a Raptor to a hull, and it jumped, then it'd take a small chunk of the ship with it.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Sanfam [/i]
Spoiler:
And I mean, Kat got one ship back, but two were lost. [/QUOTE]
I have a hunch, that atleast one of those ships will be back later.. Maybe they were able to do blind jump somewhere, its possible because Adama started the Cylon war...
In the episode itself everybody gets paranoid if they are Cylons, shots are fired, people die -> fade out -> credits.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Arethusa [/i]
[B]Bullshit. You don't have to kill someone every time something big happens to emphasize how omgthisiseriousguys it is. That's unrepentantly lazy, absolutely shitty writing, and it is producing garbage like The Passage. [/B][/QUOTE]
Well, they don't kill someone important [i]every time[/i] something big happens, nor should they. I just think it makes the show less predictable and better for it when they do on occasion. But I must respectfully disagree. I think The Passage was pretty good.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by HuntSmacker [/i]
[B]When did the Pegasus jump with a ship attached/near it? [/B][/QUOTE]
I believe there were some shots in the early days of the pegasus where a few vipers were seen grappling to the hull last-minute and riding the jump away.
That was "The Captain's Hand" (the only time we ever saw Pegasus jump, aside from "LDYB"). They didn't grapple onto the hull, but instead landed inside the lower, upside down hanger.
Maybe, like warp drive in Trek, the FTL is "tuned" to the ship itself, like a warpfield bubble around the ship. The only difference here is that instead of it being an actual bubble, it's a "bubblewrap" that lines the hull. Then theres the case of the FTL interaction with the atmosphere, and how we saw when jumping a ship the size of Galactica it imploded. Was that because of the FTL, or simply because huge objects falling that fast aren't supposed to just disappear? ;)
Pegasus used steam powered FTL.
And I have the definitive answer to the techno questions on the FTL jumps. The reason the raptors could not do the jumps attached to the hulls of the ships is because........
Its more dramatic to have them have to find the ship and risk loosing it.
Oh god I hope they would kill Starbuck soon. She has been annoying and ugly since the pilot already.. I mean, for christ sakes.. She looks like my sister, so that's a bit like a female version of myself.
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Now we know why the last episode was cheap... :D
Them thar' particles cost a lot in time and CG artist payroll...
;)
[B]I did enjoy the FX though... nice work...
:) [/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah, the in-house guys seem to be improving a bit
Spoiler: I wonder how many were lost during the jumps... I would imagine quite a few. There were 41,440 at the beginning. I guess we'll find out next episode.
Spoiler: Lee mentions that the civilian ships aren't structurally sound enough to go through the storm and protect its occupants, so thats why they were bringing people on board to begin with. The guy who recognized Kat was brought on board from another ship. Thus they only people lost on any of the ships was the skeleton crew. This does bring up some other issues though.
1. Ok, we blew up several ships at the end of season 2 when the Pegasus Gina used the nuke.
2. I think it was established a few ships were permanently grounded on the planet New Caprica.
3. Now we have lost at least 2 more ships through this storm.
Some of the Civilian ships are getting very crowded.
Maybe, eventually, they'll rebuild the Delta Flyer after Tom Paris crashed it, and Seven will continue to explore her humanity and conflict with the borg.
Wait.
[B]I think they got around a few things here with some snappy dialog.
Spoiler: Lee mentions that the civilian ships aren't structurally sound enough to go through the storm and protect its occupants, so thats why they were bringing people on board to begin with. The guy who recognized Kat was brought on board from another ship. Thus they only people lost on any of the ships was the skeleton crew. This does bring up some other issues though.
1. Ok, we blew up several ships at the end of season 2 when the Pegasus Gina used the nuke.
2. I think it was established a few ships were permanently grounded on the planet New Caprica.
3. Now we have lost at least 2 more ships through this storm.
Some of the Civilian ships are getting very crowded. [/B][/QUOTE]
Spoiler: Only one ship was blown by Gina, Cloud 9, which accounted for the bulk of the missing 8 or 9 thousand people gone now after NC. There is some overcrowding but there are also 20% less people now so a few missing ships wont make much of a difference. I don't hink it was ever mentioned any significant amount of ships were lost in NC. Most if not all the large ones made it off. I didn't keep track but was it 1 or 2 ships they lost this episode? There was one thing that bugged me this episode and its that it felt hard to follow what was going on, but maybe I started drinking too early. Anyway, I can let any mistakes go by, because they killed Kat. Thank You.
[B] Spoiler: Only one ship was blown by Gina, Cloud 9, which accounted for the bulk of the missing 8 or 9 thousand people gone now after NC. There is some overcrowding but there are also 20% less people now so a few missing ships wont make much of a difference. I don't hink it was ever mentioned any significant amount of ships were lost in NC. Most if not all the large ones made it off. I didn't keep track but was it 1 or 2 ships they lost this episode? There was one thing that bugged me this episode and its that it felt hard to follow what was going on, but maybe I started drinking too early. Anyway, I can let any mistakes go by, because they killed Kat. Thank You. [/B][/QUOTE]
Spoiler: No Cloud 9 took out at least one other ship when it went up, you can see it as the debris spins outwards another ship gets fried big time.
Regarding Starbuck, I'm getting a bit tired now of the whole "omg Starbuck is soooooo screwed in the head" all the time, I wish the writers would just drop it, we get it, she's messed up but bloody hell this one minute shes fine the next shes not is just getting boring.
I was a bit concerned for sec when I saw that Human Form Replicator come on board Galactica ;)
I liked the SFX shots a lot, the radiation theme put an interesting twist to the plot, although I'm quite sure the science about it is probably not right. If the hull is desintegrating the way they showed it on the raptors, I believe the temperature inside the ship would be too high to sustain life, so radiation would be the last of your problems. The way I understood it they were getting way too close to a cluster of stars.
Anyway, I didn't quite get Starbucks reactions, it seems to me she devolved a bit in this episode. Most characters evolve over time, she even looked a bit younger to me in that last shot. Like it was shot during the first or second season. Very odd. Why would she even care about Kat? Makes no sense at all.
I loved the scene with Tigh and Adama. The laughter felt genuine, blooper-like. :D
[B]I stopped caring for the characters a long time ago. They still keep dropping like flies and so it's no big deal anymore at this point. Just sucks for the actors who didn't sign up as Cylons. Don't understand RDM's line of thought, I mean whatever happened to using extras? You know, red-shirts? Of all people he should be the one familiar with that concept.[/B][/QUOTE]
But the whole point is so that, when they kill someone, it isn't bullshitty. So that they don't get to the point where the Enterprise beams up five people of a seven member landing party and then leaves the planet, without Captain Kirk even asking who's missing.
Years ago, I once decided that if I ever made a TV show, I'd have a large pool of recurring characters to kill in order to prove the situation is serious, rather than just killing a nameless extra to "prove" the situation is "serious." So this sort of thing is great for me.
Remember the B5 episode where Sheridan was captured and his wingman went back to the station and then died of radiation poisoning? And they had the pilot, who we never saw before, joking around with Garibaldi and Franklin about the World Series. That was, like, halfway bullshit. The guy actually had a character, but he also never appeared before, and died in that episode. Imagine if he'd appeared on and off throughout the show? Then we might actually care about the proud sacrifice of What'sHisName.
This also contributes to my appreciation of the same extras always being in the pilots ready-room scenes, most notably a large, bald asian man with tatooed arms, who appeared in both a flight suit and uniform for the first time last night. It makes it more real.
[B]No, it's ok. You see, the crisis is over until next week's Crisis of the Week. Which will also have no consequences or relation to the rest of the show. There will continue to be no characters, only facets of a vague soap operatic unchanging plenum. And there will be no dialogue, only paragraphs of force fed exposition broken down and passed out, sentence at a time, by each present "character".
Maybe, eventually, they'll rebuild the Delta Flyer after Tom Paris crashed it, and Seven will continue to explore her humanity and conflict with the borg.
Wait. [/B][/QUOTE]
So... That Tart you baked didn't turn out as good as it looked huh?
:D
[B]But the whole point is so that, when they kill someone, it isn't bullshitty. So that they don't get to the point where the Enterprise beams up five people of a seven member landing party and then leaves the planet, without Captain Kirk even asking who's missing.
Years ago, I once decided that if I ever made a TV show, I'd have a large pool of recurring characters to kill in order to prove the situation is serious, rather than just killing a nameless extra to "prove" the situation is "serious." So this sort of thing is great for me.
[/B][/QUOTE]
Excellent point. I couldn't agree more. I'm sick of knocking off "redshirts" every episode like in most other sci-fi shows. Make it mean something, damnit! ;)
Still, the Cylon aspects of the episode made it worthwhile, though it seemed more like the A-plot was an excuse to make up for a lack of sufficient B-plot to carry the episode. (They *just barely* touched on anything actually significant over the run)
And I mean, Kat got one ship back, but two were lost. Given the fleet's already small size, that's something considerable. We'll just have to see how many lives were lost doing that down the road. with only 41,400-ish left...any drop is a dangerous decrease. Of course, no food would be far worse.
Another thought I had...would it not be possible to mount a raptor to the vessels as nearly fixed navigational device for this mission using whatever grapple method suits them best, or perhaps simply kept them secured within the launch bay? It seems reasonable that the raptor could perform its functions from the vessel itself just fine, and that the "flying solo" bit was just unnecessary complication for the sake of the plot's advancement.
But once again, I'm pushing my mental capacity at this hour. I sleep now.
[B]
Another thought I had...would it not be possible to mount a raptor to the vessels as nearly fixed navigational device for this mission using whatever grapple method suits them best, or perhaps simply kept them secured within the launch bay? It seems reasonable that the raptor could perform its functions from the vessel itself just fine, and that the "flying solo" bit was just unnecessary complication for the sake of the plot's advancement.
[/B][/QUOTE]
A good point...we haven't (that I recall) seen any FTL jumps made with two ships mated to one another...at least not a Raptor docked through it's simple docking collar. So the mechanics of that have not been examined in great detail (although, whenever the Bucket makes an emergency jump after combat landings, those vipers aren't secured by anymore than magnetic grapple). But mounted in a holding bay...I agree with you there!
Spoiler:
And I mean, Kat got one ship back, but two were lost. [/QUOTE]
I have a hunch, that atleast one of those ships will be back later.. Maybe they were able to do blind jump somewhere, its possible because Adama started the Cylon war...
In the episode itself everybody gets paranoid if they are Cylons, shots are fired, people die -> fade out -> credits.
[B]Bullshit. You don't have to kill someone every time something big happens to emphasize how omgthisiseriousguys it is. That's unrepentantly lazy, absolutely shitty writing, and it is producing garbage like The Passage. [/B][/QUOTE]
Well, they don't kill someone important [i]every time[/i] something big happens, nor should they. I just think it makes the show less predictable and better for it when they do on occasion. But I must respectfully disagree. I think The Passage was pretty good.
[B]When did the Pegasus jump with a ship attached/near it? [/B][/QUOTE]
I believe there were some shots in the early days of the pegasus where a few vipers were seen grappling to the hull last-minute and riding the jump away.
And I have the definitive answer to the techno questions on the FTL jumps. The reason the raptors could not do the jumps attached to the hulls of the ships is because........
Its more dramatic to have them have to find the ship and risk loosing it.
ugh.
Also, number six will be in playboy soon.
Blah. I want Grace Park!