That was a better episode, the character development was good. There a different style alright between the boxing and new caprica scenes. They felt slightly disconnected in a way and I found some of the new caprica scenes to be a bit forced, didn't seem real. The directing for the boxing was good, I liked the style. But yeah I agree they saved a lot of cash on that episode so hopefully we'll get some big stuff coming up.
I pulled a torrent and watched it again, as tv completely sucks and tends to lack for clarity. I do stand by everything I said— the New Caprica stuff, in particular, was [i]extremely[/i] weak— but I will temper that somewhat by saying that its weakness are somewhat buoyed by its strengths. Some of the stuff, most notably the in ring camera work and directing as well as the acting, we really pretty strong.
I still really do wish they'd left Lee silent at the end. It's another case of the writers and directors not knowing when to shut the hell up and let the actors [i]act[/i]. Admittedly, this wasn't really as egregious as the horrendous ending to Resurrection Ship, but it fit the same pattern.
Looks like the next episode is going to be a big 3 parter leaving the midseason cliffhanger on the second part. Looks like its going to be an extended remake of "Water" only this time its the food that gets tainted.
The shots I saw of Sharon coughing in front of Every Light In The Studio were not particularly convincing. Did they spend all their special effects money on Lee's cookies?
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Arethusa [/i]
[B]I pulled a torrent and watched it again, as tv completely sucks and tends to lack for clarity. I do stand by everything I said— the New Caprica stuff, in particular, was [i]extremely[/i] weak— but I will temper that somewhat by saying that its weakness are somewhat buoyed by its strengths. Some of the stuff, most notably the in ring camera work and directing as well as the acting, we really pretty strong.
I still really do wish they'd left Lee silent at the end. It's another case of the writers and directors not knowing when to shut the hell up and let the actors [i]act[/i]. Admittedly, this wasn't really as egregious as the horrendous ending to Resurrection Ship, but it fit the same pattern. [/B][/QUOTE]
Granted, the planetside footage looked very straight forward, no fancy lighting, just plain vanilla. They made it look like a family vacation video. Ok, so it looked cheap, it was still a great episode, all about the characters and their motivations. I did like the twists and turns that explained some of the interpersonal relationships a bit more using those amateurish flashbacks. You know at one time I was looking for Chevy Chase and then I slapped myself. :D
This episode (309) was nothing like TKO, not even close. Also the last fight scene wasn't about Lee being frozen into a carbonite slab, so having both characters speak at the end was quite fitting and necessary. The writers don't go for poetry but usually just go down to business. Apollo and Starbuck were completely drained, physically from the fight and emotionally from what they'd gone through, so I doubt you could expect them to be all theatrical about what they were going through. I didn't see anything wrong with that at all.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Stingray [/i]
[B]Granted, the planetside footage looked very straight forward, no fancy lighting, just plain vanilla. They made it look like a family vacation video. Ok, so it looked cheap, it was still a great episode, all about the characters and their motivations. I did like the twists and turns that explained some of the interpersonal relationships a bit more using those amateurish flashbacks. You know at one time I was looking for Chevy Chase and then I slapped myself. :D[/B][/QUOTE]
It wasn't just the look of the flashbacks, though, yes, they looked like they were done on a lower budget than those god fucked webisodes (we spent all our director money on sandwiches!). It was just weak directing altogether. Everything from the cinematography to the acting to the writing to the pacing to editing felt like it belonged on the Hallmark channel. Play some Radiohead over the end credits and we're in NYU masturbatory film student land. Like I said, buoyed somewhat by the better stuff (the directing in the ring did a pretty decent job with a tight budget, good actors, and a weak script. The flashback stuff should have been better, though.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Stingray [/i]
[B]This episode (309) was nothing like TKO, not even close. Also the last fight scene wasn't about Lee being frozen into a carbonite slab, so having both characters speak at the end was quite fitting and necessary. The writers don't go for poetry but usually just go down to business. Apollo and Starbuck were completely drained, physically from the fight and emotionally from what they'd gone through, so I doubt you could expect them to be all theatrical about what they were going through. I didn't see anything wrong with that at all. [/B][/QUOTE]
Man, I'm not saying I want Lee to be Han Solo. If he'd said "I know" in response to Starbuck, I would probably never watch the show again. My point is that "I missed you too" was weak and had no real purpose in the script other than to underscore just how much the writers had no idea what to do with him there. Jamie saved the line [i]somewhat[/i] by breaking it up as "I missed.. I missed you too", but it's just bad as written. If they'd just not given him the line (or the director had known better and just told him not to bother with it), it would have been stronger.
I mentioned the ending to Resurrection Ship where Cain gets shot. That was fucking [i]Michael Bay[/i] quality right there. "Frack you" / "You're not my type"? What, was that clever in Bad Boys 2? It isn't like Trisha doesn't know how to act. She's repeatedly displayed talent far beyond being a stereotypical vapid model. A good director would've changed the scene and just had Gina shoot Cain before she even finishes saying "frack you", then cut to Gina and let acting finish the scene. A good writer would have come up with something less shitty altogether. Lee and Starbuck weren't anywhere near this bad, but it's fundamentally the same problem of not letting the actors [i]act[/i], not hiring good directors, and not even bothering with competent writers.
I listened to the podcast for this episode. Kind of a different one. This time they had an obviously tipsy Grace Park, and Tamoh, along with RDM's wife. They do confirm this episode was rushed into filming with limited resources because all of the NC stuff had to be filmed while they were shooting the first three which were already stretching the budget. That explains a lot of the obviously lower quality production on the planetside scenes.
Grace seems to get drunk before a lot of this stuff. I find it amusing. It was pretty obvious in her IGN interviews (not that I blame her; I don't drink, and I'd still be slamming back shots if I had to be interviewed by that piece of shit).
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Arethusa [/i]
[B] It was pretty obvious in her IGN interviews (not that I blame her; I don't drink, and I'd still be slamming back shots if I had to be interviewed by that piece of shit). [/B][/QUOTE]
Whats the deal with the IGN interviewer? :confused:
Have you actually seen them? If not, I suggest you watch them. In particular, watch the one with Grace. She is delightful. It's.. incredibly bad. But also wonderful.
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Being a person who appreciates drama, I rather liked this episode for it's touch of humanity, even if didn't ring true to BSG's characters, and was real cheap work on the New Caprica scenes. Good to see Baltar amongst people again even if it was a flashback, he just doesn't feel right with the Cylons... I liked him where he was. I guess Buckollo's (Starbuck/Apollo) will be happy about their confession to each other, even if it did involve a bit of brutality.[/SPOILER]
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by HuntSmacker [/i]
[B][SPOILER]
Good to see Baltar amongst people again even if it was a flashback, he just doesn't feel right with the Cylons... I liked him where he was. [/SPOILER] [/B][/QUOTE]
I'm wondering if Baltar will actually be the big death this season. He's grown largely irrelevant so far this season and without his double personality within the fleet the character seems largely dead. At least everything that made him stand out as one of the best characters. Barring some major twist it really looks like the end of the road for him.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Vorlons in my Head [/i]
[B]I'm wondering if Baltar will actually be the big death this season. He's grown largely irrelevant so far this season and without his double personality within the fleet the character seems largely dead. At least everything that made him stand out as one of the best characters. Barring some major twist it really looks like the end of the road for him. [/B][/QUOTE]
Spoiler: Personally, it seems to me that Baltar's command of the Cylons is one of the general points that RDM will carry over to the series. I think in the last episodes of the season we will see him take on a more messianic role for the Cylons.
This entire plotline has gotten increasingly unsalvageable, but at this point, either he and Six escape— unlikely— or he becomes a messianic figure for some, leading to a(nother?) schism in the Cylon people. The alternatives of Baltar dying and Baltar becoming a Cylon leader without conflict are distinctly untasty and unforgivably retarded, respectively.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by RedAssAg05 [/i]
[B] Spoiler: Personally, it seems to me that Baltar's command of the Cylons is one of the general points that RDM will carry over to the series. I think in the last episodes of the season we will see him take on a more messianic role for the Cylons. [/B][/QUOTE]
Thats a possibility but didn't Baltar also die in the original series?
I'm pretty sure he dies in some egyptian like temple they discover and it caves in. Baltar gets trapped saving Adama. Thats why I have my suspicion he will die. RDM will probably bring this back as Baltar redeeming himself by saving them in some way.
Well, in the motion picture edit of the original pilot, Baltar was double-crossed and beheaded by the Cylons at the very end. When it was edited into a three-parter to lead into the series, that scene was altered so Balter didn't die, and became a recurring villain.
At the end of the series, Baltar had been captured by Galactica, but, in the last episode, was left on an uninhabited planet hoping for Cylon rescue in exchange for giving the colonials intelligence on a Cylon basestar they were attacking. So Balter never [i]really[/i] died, except in an alternate version of the premiere.
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I still really do wish they'd left Lee silent at the end. It's another case of the writers and directors not knowing when to shut the hell up and let the actors [i]act[/i]. Admittedly, this wasn't really as egregious as the horrendous ending to Resurrection Ship, but it fit the same pattern.
[B]I pulled a torrent and watched it again, as tv completely sucks and tends to lack for clarity. I do stand by everything I said— the New Caprica stuff, in particular, was [i]extremely[/i] weak— but I will temper that somewhat by saying that its weakness are somewhat buoyed by its strengths. Some of the stuff, most notably the in ring camera work and directing as well as the acting, we really pretty strong.
I still really do wish they'd left Lee silent at the end. It's another case of the writers and directors not knowing when to shut the hell up and let the actors [i]act[/i]. Admittedly, this wasn't really as egregious as the horrendous ending to Resurrection Ship, but it fit the same pattern. [/B][/QUOTE]
Granted, the planetside footage looked very straight forward, no fancy lighting, just plain vanilla. They made it look like a family vacation video. Ok, so it looked cheap, it was still a great episode, all about the characters and their motivations. I did like the twists and turns that explained some of the interpersonal relationships a bit more using those amateurish flashbacks. You know at one time I was looking for Chevy Chase and then I slapped myself. :D
This episode (309) was nothing like TKO, not even close. Also the last fight scene wasn't about Lee being frozen into a carbonite slab, so having both characters speak at the end was quite fitting and necessary. The writers don't go for poetry but usually just go down to business. Apollo and Starbuck were completely drained, physically from the fight and emotionally from what they'd gone through, so I doubt you could expect them to be all theatrical about what they were going through. I didn't see anything wrong with that at all.
[B]Granted, the planetside footage looked very straight forward, no fancy lighting, just plain vanilla. They made it look like a family vacation video. Ok, so it looked cheap, it was still a great episode, all about the characters and their motivations. I did like the twists and turns that explained some of the interpersonal relationships a bit more using those amateurish flashbacks. You know at one time I was looking for Chevy Chase and then I slapped myself. :D[/B][/QUOTE]
It wasn't just the look of the flashbacks, though, yes, they looked like they were done on a lower budget than those god fucked webisodes (we spent all our director money on sandwiches!). It was just weak directing altogether. Everything from the cinematography to the acting to the writing to the pacing to editing felt like it belonged on the Hallmark channel. Play some Radiohead over the end credits and we're in NYU masturbatory film student land. Like I said, buoyed somewhat by the better stuff (the directing in the ring did a pretty decent job with a tight budget, good actors, and a weak script. The flashback stuff should have been better, though.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Stingray [/i]
[B]This episode (309) was nothing like TKO, not even close. Also the last fight scene wasn't about Lee being frozen into a carbonite slab, so having both characters speak at the end was quite fitting and necessary. The writers don't go for poetry but usually just go down to business. Apollo and Starbuck were completely drained, physically from the fight and emotionally from what they'd gone through, so I doubt you could expect them to be all theatrical about what they were going through. I didn't see anything wrong with that at all. [/B][/QUOTE]
Man, I'm not saying I want Lee to be Han Solo. If he'd said "I know" in response to Starbuck, I would probably never watch the show again. My point is that "I missed you too" was weak and had no real purpose in the script other than to underscore just how much the writers had no idea what to do with him there. Jamie saved the line [i]somewhat[/i] by breaking it up as "I missed.. I missed you too", but it's just bad as written. If they'd just not given him the line (or the director had known better and just told him not to bother with it), it would have been stronger.
I mentioned the ending to Resurrection Ship where Cain gets shot. That was fucking [i]Michael Bay[/i] quality right there. "Frack you" / "You're not my type"? What, was that clever in Bad Boys 2? It isn't like Trisha doesn't know how to act. She's repeatedly displayed talent far beyond being a stereotypical vapid model. A good director would've changed the scene and just had Gina shoot Cain before she even finishes saying "frack you", then cut to Gina and let acting finish the scene. A good writer would have come up with something less shitty altogether. Lee and Starbuck weren't anywhere near this bad, but it's fundamentally the same problem of not letting the actors [i]act[/i], not hiring good directors, and not even bothering with competent writers.
[B] It was pretty obvious in her IGN interviews (not that I blame her; I don't drink, and I'd still be slamming back shots if I had to be interviewed by that piece of shit). [/B][/QUOTE]
Whats the deal with the IGN interviewer? :confused:
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I'm sorry you have horribly insatiable tastes.
Being a person who appreciates drama, I rather liked this episode for it's touch of humanity, even if didn't ring true to BSG's characters, and was real cheap work on the New Caprica scenes. Good to see Baltar amongst people again even if it was a flashback, he just doesn't feel right with the Cylons... I liked him where he was. I guess Buckollo's (Starbuck/Apollo) will be happy about their confession to each other, even if it did involve a bit of brutality.[/SPOILER]
[B][SPOILER]
Good to see Baltar amongst people again even if it was a flashback, he just doesn't feel right with the Cylons... I liked him where he was. [/SPOILER] [/B][/QUOTE]
I'm wondering if Baltar will actually be the big death this season. He's grown largely irrelevant so far this season and without his double personality within the fleet the character seems largely dead. At least everything that made him stand out as one of the best characters. Barring some major twist it really looks like the end of the road for him.
[B]I'm wondering if Baltar will actually be the big death this season. He's grown largely irrelevant so far this season and without his double personality within the fleet the character seems largely dead. At least everything that made him stand out as one of the best characters. Barring some major twist it really looks like the end of the road for him. [/B][/QUOTE]
Spoiler: Personally, it seems to me that Baltar's command of the Cylons is one of the general points that RDM will carry over to the series. I think in the last episodes of the season we will see him take on a more messianic role for the Cylons.
[B] Spoiler: Personally, it seems to me that Baltar's command of the Cylons is one of the general points that RDM will carry over to the series. I think in the last episodes of the season we will see him take on a more messianic role for the Cylons. [/B][/QUOTE]
Thats a possibility but didn't Baltar also die in the original series?
[B]Thats a possibility but didn't Baltar also die in the original series? [/B][/QUOTE]
Actually, I don't remember, I just saw enough episodes to know the basic layout of the 78 version
At the end of the series, Baltar had been captured by Galactica, but, in the last episode, was left on an uninhabited planet hoping for Cylon rescue in exchange for giving the colonials intelligence on a Cylon basestar they were attacking. So Balter never [i]really[/i] died, except in an alternate version of the premiere.
And i'd like her even more drunk if met in a bar somewhere, better chances. wink wink nudge nudge.
I'm immoral.
[B]Drunk or not, Grace Park is still a damn hot babe..
And i'd like her even more drunk if met in a bar somewhere, better chances. wink wink nudge nudge.
I'm immoral. [/B][/QUOTE]
Date rape on a budget!
[B]Date rape on a budget! [/B][/QUOTE]
I should resent that.
Even with the ending of this episode I am really starting to get a Hate On for StarBuck...
:D
What a bitch...
[B]Well, I guess now we know who dies...
Even with the ending of this episode I am really starting to get a Hate On for StarBuck...
What a bitch... [/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah, if they don't show how this screws with her psychologically in the future, I might just be one-tenth as upset with this show as Arethusa;)
Worst. Episode. Ever.
I literally could not get up off the floor laughing after Kat got out of the Raptor. Good ol' Jane Espensen.