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Winsucks Vista - Now for masochists.
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You know, might be better to ship sourcecodes and compiled data to remote island and nuke that place...
[quote]Here's the good news. In Windows Vista, Microsoft is indeed moving to this kind of security model. The feature is called User Account Protection (UAP) and, as you might expect, it prevents even administrative users from performing potentially dangerous tasks without first providing security credentials... It sounds like a good system. But this is Microsoft, we're talking about here.
The bad news, then, is that UAP is a sad, sad joke. It's the most annoying feature that Microsoft has ever added to any software product, and yes, that includes that ridiculous Clippy character from older Office versions....
Let's look a typical example. One of the first things I do whenever I install a new Windows version is download and install Mozilla Firefox. If we forget, for a moment, the number of warning dialogs we get during the download and install process (including a brazen security warning from Windows Firewall for which Microsoft should be chastised), let's just examine one crucial, often overlooked issue. Once Firefox is installed, there are two icons on my Desktop I'd like to remove: The Setup application itself and a shortcut to Firefox. So I select both icons and drag them to the Recycle Bin. Simple, right?
Wrong. Here's what you have to go through to actually delete those files in Windows Vista. First, you get a File Access Denied dialog (Figure) explaining that you don't, in fact, have permission to delete a ... shortcut?? To an application you just installed??? Seriously?
OK, fine. You can click a Continue button to "complete this operation." But that doesn't complete anything. It just clears the desktop for the next dialog, which is a Windows Security window (Figure). Here, you need to give your permission to continue something opaquely called a "File Operation." Click Allow, and you're done. Hey, that's not too bad, right? Just two dialogs to read, understand, and then respond correctly to. What's the big deal?[/quote]
[url]http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winvista_5308_05.asp[/url]
[quote]Here's the good news. In Windows Vista, Microsoft is indeed moving to this kind of security model. The feature is called User Account Protection (UAP) and, as you might expect, it prevents even administrative users from performing potentially dangerous tasks without first providing security credentials... It sounds like a good system. But this is Microsoft, we're talking about here.
The bad news, then, is that UAP is a sad, sad joke. It's the most annoying feature that Microsoft has ever added to any software product, and yes, that includes that ridiculous Clippy character from older Office versions....
Let's look a typical example. One of the first things I do whenever I install a new Windows version is download and install Mozilla Firefox. If we forget, for a moment, the number of warning dialogs we get during the download and install process (including a brazen security warning from Windows Firewall for which Microsoft should be chastised), let's just examine one crucial, often overlooked issue. Once Firefox is installed, there are two icons on my Desktop I'd like to remove: The Setup application itself and a shortcut to Firefox. So I select both icons and drag them to the Recycle Bin. Simple, right?
Wrong. Here's what you have to go through to actually delete those files in Windows Vista. First, you get a File Access Denied dialog (Figure) explaining that you don't, in fact, have permission to delete a ... shortcut?? To an application you just installed??? Seriously?
OK, fine. You can click a Continue button to "complete this operation." But that doesn't complete anything. It just clears the desktop for the next dialog, which is a Windows Security window (Figure). Here, you need to give your permission to continue something opaquely called a "File Operation." Click Allow, and you're done. Hey, that's not too bad, right? Just two dialogs to read, understand, and then respond correctly to. What's the big deal?[/quote]
[url]http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winvista_5308_05.asp[/url]
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Its like they are adding stuff for the sake of adding stuff.
;)
[B]What do you need to actually [i]empty[/i] it, a notary public? [/B][/QUOTE]
Probably, it will probably take an ok from Bill Gates himself if, god forbid, you want to dual boot.
To be fair to them, though, this is a pre-release build and it's very likely that the list of actions that require going through the permissions dialogs hasn't been done properly yet, so it's still doing everything.
My 2 copies of XP, one copy of ME and one copy of 95 will be the last donations to Satan Gates.
His time is comming
[url]http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/72169[/url]
BITE ME BILL GATES!.
[B]To be fair to them, though, this is a pre-release build and it's very likely that the list of actions that require going through the permissions dialogs hasn't been done properly yet, so it's still doing everything. [/B][/QUOTE]
What gives you the impression it will be fixed before release?
Worf
[B]You don't need an admin password to install stuff on mac, unless it affects the OS. Most things you just drag out of the DMG to the Applications folder. [/B][/QUOTE]
Well, I don't really think of it installing unless there's an actual installer. Drag and drop is a little anticlimactic if you call it an "installation." ;)
[B]To be fair to them, though, this is a pre-release build and it's very likely that the list of actions that require going through the permissions dialogs hasn't been done properly yet, so it's still doing everything. [/B][/QUOTE]And which might end up being that final version unless they make some miracles to their work speed considering time schedules.
[quote]Well, I'll be Damned!
The top ten reasons Eternal Damnation is better than Windows Software Development
Number NINE
Eternal Damnation: You burn forever, but are not consumed.
Windows Software Development: Each update introduces new and improved tortures, which slowly consume you[/quote]
[url]http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/top10.html[/url]
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by David of Mac [/i]
[B]What do you need to actually [i]empty[/i] it, a notary public? [/B][/QUOTE]I guess that might be permission from media industry and "Wintel" who are behind this (anti)Trustworthy (Orwellian)Computing.
- PJH
[B]Like I said... XP is the last of the M$ OS's I will ever have on my machines.
;) [/B][/QUOTE]
seconded!:)
The curse of being a gamer. :(
[URL=http://www.exisle.net/mb/lofiversion/index.php/t37044.html]Vista Required for dx10[/URL]
[b]Now????[/b]
AFAI'm concerned Winsucks has always been for masochists...
[quote][i]Originally posted by David of Mac [/i]
Okay. Now, in Mac OS X, you need an admin password to install something, or to add, delete, or modify certain important files and folders. [/quote] Actually, some unimportant files and folders require an admin password, if they are located in a "shared" folder that doesn't belong to your admin account. But yes, for the most part you just need to type your admin password, and that allows you even to mess up the contents of the system folder if you chose to do so.
This is where the hackers come in. They fixed XP to a useable point, they will do the same for Windows.
[B]Like I said... XP is the last of the M$ OS's I will ever have on my machines.
;) [/B][/QUOTE]
I never liked Win XP Pro and the fact that I only been using win xp pro for about a year as I had been using win 98se for 4 years and I really miss that OS!It liked me and I liked it!If it is true then $%@& you M$ no more crap!
maxdamage.
[B]Since dx10 is going to be vista only. Sooner or later I will be holed into having to get vista when new games start to come out as dx10 only.
The curse of being a gamer. :(
[URL=http://www.exisle.net/mb/lofiversion/index.php/t37044.html]Vista Required for dx10[/URL] [/B][/QUOTE]
forced upon us
o god the horror, the horror
I'm just quite sad with the way things are going. I really do not see a good reason to upgrade, and trying to force change is not going to make me more willing.
:p
1 = yes
0 = no
2 = maybe?
Just wondering?
Jake
[B]Typical, M$ thinking its O/S is smarter than its users. Only thing missing is a creepy voiceover: "I can't let you do that Dave..." :eek: [/B][/QUOTE]
:lol: nice one!I'm surprised M$ hasn't done that yet?Some of the features in Vista sound interesting but I'll stick to XP as long as I can hopefully!
maxdamage
[B]XP? You've already caved. I still run 2k. [/B][/QUOTE]
Only upgraded to win xp pro last year May\June from win 98se.
maxdamage.