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Places not to live #2: Finland
Biggles
<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
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Isn't it great to see the EU doing wonderful things for your country?
Isn't it great to see the EU doing wonderful things for your country?
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Btw DVDJon is from Norway.
I guess there's always Switzerland. Well armed indifference is [i]my[/i] kind of indifference.
Jake
Even so, no matter what the letter of the law states here, in majority of the cases most of the time the government officials and juridical bodies follow the spirit of the law and common sense. This can't be said of the government, in light of recent events...
Anyway, this new law is a joke. So, now I'm a criminal, yay!
Btw, one high government police official just suggested yesterday, that all cars sold in Finland would be fitted with speed limiters, which would limit the speed of all cars to 140km/h max.
All I can say is, that if they do that I'm getting the hell out of this police state.
- PJH
[B]Isn't it great to see the EU[/B][/QUOTE]Wrong, it's SUC, Soviet Union of Capitalism.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Freejack [/i]
[B]Hmm, I find it interesting that Finland has no constitutional checking mechanism for its laws... [/B][/QUOTE]When has breaking of constitution and rights of people been problem to politicians?
You from everyone should know that well.
Like the French people noticed two hundreds years ago politicians/governing elite acts for public good/good of people as long as their head, or more precisely blade of guillotine hangs from it.
And as long as SU was in its prime shape elite couldn't start kissing capital's asshole because in that case they could have found themselves from front of firing squad.
So after collapse of SU governing elite has been constantly stuffing their heads deeper to capital's asshole.
what is happening with my nice old Finland. :(
[B]Wrong, it's SUC, Soviet Union of Capitalism.
When has breaking of constitution and rights of people been problem to politicians?
You from everyone should know that well.
Like the French people noticed two hundreds years ago politicians/governing elite acts for public good/good of people as long as their head, or more precisely blade of guillotine hangs from it.
And as long as SU was in its prime shape elite couldn't start kissing capital's asshole because in that case they could have found themselves from front of firing squad.
So after collapse of SU governing elite has been constantly stuffing their heads deeper to capital's asshole. [/B][/QUOTE]
Your view of the SU is highly idealized, the truth of the matter is in all societies, and in all systems, elite exist and the elite rule with one interest in mind, theirs. Some systems are just better at cloaking this fact then others.
[B]Nothing less than a national disgrace. We're all criminals now...[/B][/QUOTE]
This is indeed a problem. The state made nearly all Swedes criminals a year ago too. Its petty fucked up..
Didn't you learn anything from B5?
"Understanding is a three-edged sword."
In many sense Soviet Union represented Vorlon ideology, "you'll do as you're told", everything controlled by some collective and individuals didn't have rights.
And same way your country represents Shadow ideology in many sense: not keeping care little ones, as long as you prosper everything else doesn't matter, rule of strongest and most insolent. So it ends into very similar situation when those strongest and most insolent take control and less powerfull doesn't have rights and their only value is in how much strongest benefit from them.
[B]Wrong Tyvar...
Didn't you learn anything from B5?
"Understanding is a three-edged sword."
In many sense Soviet Union represented Vorlon ideology, "you'll do as you're told", everything controlled by some collective and individuals didn't have rights.
And same way your country represents Shadow ideology in many sense: not keeping care little ones, as long as you prosper everything else doesn't matter, rule of strongest and most insolent. So it ends into very similar situation when those strongest and most insolent take control and less powerfull doesn't have rights and their only value is in how much strongest benefit from them. [/B][/QUOTE]Only the "elite" can afford to believe in such a system. :)
[B]Wrong Tyvar...
Didn't you learn anything from B5?
"Understanding is a three-edged sword."
In many sense Soviet Union represented Vorlon ideology, "you'll do as you're told", everything controlled by some collective and individuals didn't have rights.
And same way your country represents Shadow ideology in many sense: not keeping care little ones, as long as you prosper everything else doesn't matter, rule of strongest and most insolent. So it ends into very similar situation when those strongest and most insolent take control and less powerfull doesn't have rights and their only value is in how much strongest benefit from them. [/B][/QUOTE]
No Im not wrong, your just being , obtuse, nieve and over idealizing the way things were in the Soviet Union. When Stalin was in charge, in the end everything was about stalin, after Stalins death LOOK at how the high level party apparachics lived compared to how the masses lived, it mirrors perfectly how the eliets in other societies lived. They got the best of what there is, and the often fought with each other over distribution of those goods.
There was no "collective" it was an oligarchy plain and simple, post Stalin, in which you had several high ranking elites with roughly equal power who were constnatly jostling for position against each other.
I'm sorry, but despite the fact that your ideological blinders wont let you see that, you cant change the reality of what was.
[B]Only the "elite" can afford to believe in such a system. :) [/B][/QUOTE]No problem because that's the only thing required for working of such system, like you [url=http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2004/10/06/no-longer-obeying-orders/]posted[/url] in other thread they make rest believe to holyness of it.
First of all:
My grandfather who died 1½ year ago comes from 20 km other side of current border and lost his brother 65 years earlier in war against that tyranny... so yeah, I love that country...
As much as I love your country and its selfish, selfcentered ways!
And what's the matter?
Run out of arguments and attacking personally was most effective option left?
Or didn't your country's elite bother to justify why all pointing even little toward that other extreme is source of evil?
Sure it would be "little" hard to explain why it is bad to ensure that money/capital serves general good.
Neither they seem to be very good at telling that your country has pretty much worst inequality of all developed countries, neither it fares much better in general education/literacy level or in health care level of people.
But that's understandable, it might be hard to find someone from nobility willing to recognise for people that "king is naked" after filling them with all that brainwashing and starching about superiority of their system.
So I'm sure you don't want to think how Finland rose so fast from quite poor undeveloped agrarian country to industrialised high-technology welfare nation with high general healthcare and education level.