[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Entil'Zha [/i]
[B]oops, sawwwy [/B][/QUOTE]
Still not starting, you bastard ;)
Three hours of attempting jumping and it cranks now, but not fast enough to make a difference in any way. I'm hoping tomorrow to give it a nice push down the hill with assistance from the other car. Hopefully that'll give it enough juice from the alternator to keep it running and fill that remaining charge.
Sanfam, sounds like your battery is completely gone, time for a trip to Wally-world (that is the only thing Wal-mart is good for, cheap car batteries). While its unlikely you may have a bad starter, but I'd still venture to say your battery is shot. And if it is, even push starting the car may not get it to run.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Freejack [/i]
[B]Sanfam, sounds like your battery is completely gone, time for a trip to Wally-world (that is the only thing Wal-mart is good for, cheap car batteries). While its unlikely you may have a bad starter, but I'd still venture to say your battery is shot. And if it is, even push starting the car may not get it to run.
Jake [/B][/QUOTE]
unless there is something new in the cars, it should run witha fully dead battery unless the alternator is shot,
I'm suspecting that I may have accidentially triggered a mercury switch for the hood interior light when I parked the car at an extreme angle. As mentioned right above, after a couple hours of charging, it's capable of cranking now. It's just a total bitch-and-a-half to get anywhere :D
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Entil'Zha [/i]
[B]unless there is something new in the cars, it should run witha fully dead battery unless the alternator is shot, [/B][/QUOTE]
A dead battery yes, but a battery that is shot, say one of the plates collapsed and is causing an internal short, will often cause some wierd problems, especially in EFI vehicles, since the battery is an integral part of the electric system.
This is quite true, but most likely it's just a drained bit. It was holding a charge once it was given it, but had been down to near 0 volts flat. A lightbulb is the most likely source in that area...a small one. Three weeks with the mercury switch toggled would do that just fine ;)
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Arethusa [/i]
[B]The Prius is a joke. Why it occurs to no one that you aren't getting distance for free and are in fact simply trading gas power for electric power— which is, you know, mostly generated by fossil fuels and other less than environmentally friendly stuff— is well beyond me.
Toss in a price tag that could get you an Eclipse and performance that rivals an AMC Pacer and it's just a ludicrous waste of money. [/B][/QUOTE]
Err, I missed this one earlier, but I have to respond. The idea behind a hybrid is not that you are pulling electricity of the grid (which is still a more efficient form of energy than an I/C engine, but that's another thread somewhere), its that you are recovering energy lost during slow down, which can be significant so at least some can reused during acceleration.
BTW electric car versus internal combustion:
US power grid is about 45% efficient, meaning only 45% of the potential energy in the fuels used reaches the end user. An electric motor is generally 80% efficient. That means that about 36% of the beginning fuel would be used to power an electric car. Conversely the most efficient internal combustion engine used in today's cars is only about 15% efficient (I believe the maximum theoretical efficiency of an IC engine is 22%).
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Sanfam [/i]
[B]This is quite true, but most likely it's just a drained bit. It was holding a charge once it was given it, but had been down to near 0 volts flat. A lightbulb is the most likely source in that area...a small one. Three weeks with the mercury switch toggled would do that just fine ;) [/B][/QUOTE]
Sanfam,
The hood has a mercury switch (or gravity switch) as opposed to a simple momentary, NC switch positioned somewhere to trigger when the hood is opened?
Yes. On volvos of my era, most of the lower-end/older models were fitted with simple mercury switches for their trunk and hood interior lighting as it was far simpler, mechanical, and required installation of only one unit and that a single wire be run. It's one of those trademark swedish "it works, so STFU" bits that float around on my ride (sort of like the "open the hood 90-degrees" lever)
That's why I like most European cars from the 80s and early 90s. Every one had a bit different way of putting things together. One thing I found with VWs, the first time you try to work on something specific, it a PITA, but after you figure it out, its generally easier then the eqivilent job on an American vehicle...try changing out the Alternator on a V6 Ford Contour...
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Freejack [/i]
[B]That's why I like most European cars from the 80s and early 90s. Every one had a bit different way of putting things together. One thing I found with VWs, the first time you try to work on something specific, it a PITA, but after you figure it out, its generally easier then the eqivilent job on an American vehicle...try changing out the Alternator on a V6 Ford Contour...
Jake [/B][/QUOTE]
HAHAHAHA--no.
Been there, done that. Please, I'd much rather shoot myself in the spleen with many small shards of glass and iron. Oh, the pain. Ford version of it, but oh man...it was dreadful. Also, considering that I've been juggling alternators for my wagon since I'm too cheap to buy one good one...It'd be so much worse with the ford package :p
Also, my Audi...OH GOD! I look at the engine and die a little bit inside. All those wires...unnecessary wires to everything! WHY do there need to be vacuum actuators on the wastegate instead of a spring, and how come there are four switches attached to it? And why must the fuel injectors each have two lines going to them from distinctly different, though seemingly identical systems? WHY?!
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by The Cabl3 Guy [/i]
[B]I'm telling you though the car I must have...
DELOREAN !!!!!!!!!!W)))))))))))))TT! [/B][/QUOTE]
Which, speaking from near personal experiance, are also maintance headaches . I had a friend with one (liscence plate McFly, even!) and it was nothing but a pain in the ass.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Sanfam [/i]
[B]
Also, my Audi...OH GOD! I look at the engine and die a little bit inside. All those wires...unnecessary wires to everything! WHY do there need to be vacuum actuators on the wastegate instead of a spring, and how come there are four switches attached to it? And why must the fuel injectors each have two lines going to them from distinctly different, though seemingly identical systems? WHY?! [/B][/QUOTE]
I think the Audi engineers for a while thought they were designing a space ship, because they kept over engineering everything, for seeming reduancy.
that or they were getting paid by the part, so they just threw in everything.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Sanfam [/i]
[B]Also, my Audi...OH GOD! I look at the engine and die a little bit inside. [/B][/QUOTE]
Hahah :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Yes, I know that feeling. I had that feeling when spent three days on my back changing out the tranny in one of the Scorpios I bought only to find the supposedly rebuilt unit I put in had a front seal leak...that was about a year ago and it's still sitting in my driveway...
The Audi 200 needs every single hose, belt, and major wear item replaced, as well as all fluids drained...all because it was sitting for six to eight years. More fun, I can't actually drop the gas tank without removing a good *half* of the all-wheel-drive system...which is very firmly attached :p Add on to this that the Alldata exploded views for the *intake* system are five pages. Turbo plumbing and wiring for related systems is eight...
Now I have to get the bad gas out of it and feed it some delicious fresh stuff...somehow. But it started! It started and ran (for a while) mostly on the crappy old gas (half-half, really) , which was most excellent. Aside from the fuel filter being completely and totally clogged to hell from the bad gas and in-tank debris, it actually ran quite nicely :D
Oh, and thank audi for putting a semi-intelligent fuel pump "always on" switch in the fusebox. Turned the ignition on and made a from my other volvo's fuel line that went from the filter to a barrel :p
1989. It's got the 10 valve 2.22L I5 with a somewhat decent turbo and all the handy dandy intercooler gear :D I'll have to get some photos, but I feel multiple heart attacks coming on (one for the joy of owning it, and one for the horrible pain following that) each time I look under the hood.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyvar [/i]
[B]Which, speaking from near personal experiance, are also maintance headaches . I had a friend with one (liscence plate McFly, even!) and it was nothing but a pain in the ass.[/B][/QUOTE]
Deloreans aren't so bad. I'm growing a bit more familiar with the engines as time goes on, and in all honestly, there's much that's far worse. Plus, nobody in their right mind keeps the PVR V6 :p I mean, come on...
4.4L Cadillac Northstar...or 2.8L PVR V6?
Burned rubber...or burned oil?
I think it's plainly obvious which of these is superior ;)
(hint: I'm probably leaning towards the two extra cylinders and/or not partly french one)
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Sanfam [/i]
[B]1989. It's got the 10 valve 2.22L I5 with a somewhat decent turbo and all the handy dandy intercooler gear :D I'll have to get some photos, but I feel multiple heart attacks coming on (one for the joy of owning it, and one for the horrible pain following that) each time I look under the hood. [/B][/QUOTE]
Cool, not that it's any where near a 200, but I had a VW Fox which was actually an Audi layout (Front drive, longitudinal engine) with the VW 1.8L engine. Good little car, fun to drive on the backroads.
I'm in the process of rebuilding the engine in my XR4Ti and I picked up an Air/water intercooler to mount to it (currentlt there is not I/C). Add to it a water pump from a snowmobil and a radiator from a Honda VT750 for a heat exchanger and I should have a pretty slick setup.
Ah, cool. XR4Ti's are beautiful cars. I've always wanted one, but they're a bit rare around my parts. It's like trying to find an old Subaru XT6 (Which I also want to get...can't believe I was one hour too late in actually trying to buy one...). So many projects...so little time.
Still, before anything else comes the big Volvo project: SBC/SBF --> Volvo wagon, which is now probably going to be a 740 (my 740...heh). Of course, as much as I'd like to go for a V8 in my daily driver, it looks like I'm going to end up with a 3.8SC (if only for fuel economy and weight savings alone). At the very least, it'll still have more "go" than my current engine...which desperately needs more than 106hp. (There's always a "+T" Swap, but I don't feel like sticking to premium gas)
Sounds like a fun swap, though I'd be a bit wary about the 3.8 out of a Supercoupe, hard on the headgaskets. One engine I think would be fun, especially in an XR4 would be the SHO engine...
later revisions weren't so truly horrible. The big concern for me would be that, as a daily driver with many highway miles, I don't really want to be raped in the usual places by the painful fuel costs, plus I need something that is not *too* powerful. the 3.8SC sets an upper limit (well, not really) and gives me V8 power at V6 weights :p Plus, the engines are dirt cheap.
Of course, I still want to do some immensely powerful V8 conversion. Something truly rediculous, perhaps hovering around a good 500, 600 hp. (mmm...twin-turbo LT1...)
According to some guys on "A race car is born" [URL=http://www.citroen-2cv.org.uk/]this[/URL] is the way to go if you want a car thats easily repaired/adjusted/whatever..
Check closely on those engine weights, I'd be willing to bet the 3.8 with the charger is within a few pounds of a 5.0. The reason I say this because the 2.3 turbo that's in the XR, with turbo, etc is within 50 lbs of the fully decked small block ford.
IIRC, it was close to 75 lbs shy of the 5.0, which for me is moving in the right direction. my stock 700 is a tad unbalanced for my tastes. I was hoping to move the balance rearwards a bit, give it the 50/50 distribution I love about my 240's :p Using the 3.8 achieves near perfection.
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[B]WOO! My wagon isn't starting today. I blame you, Entilzha! :D (Battery died...not holding a charge) [/B][/QUOTE]
oops, sawwwy
[B]oops, sawwwy [/B][/QUOTE]
Still not starting, you bastard ;)
Three hours of attempting jumping and it cranks now, but not fast enough to make a difference in any way. I'm hoping tomorrow to give it a nice push down the hill with assistance from the other car. Hopefully that'll give it enough juice from the alternator to keep it running and fill that remaining charge.
Jake
[B]Sanfam, sounds like your battery is completely gone, time for a trip to Wally-world (that is the only thing Wal-mart is good for, cheap car batteries). While its unlikely you may have a bad starter, but I'd still venture to say your battery is shot. And if it is, even push starting the car may not get it to run.
Jake [/B][/QUOTE]
unless there is something new in the cars, it should run witha fully dead battery unless the alternator is shot,
CHARGE ME BATTERY GET MEH HUM~!
[B]unless there is something new in the cars, it should run witha fully dead battery unless the alternator is shot, [/B][/QUOTE]
A dead battery yes, but a battery that is shot, say one of the plates collapsed and is causing an internal short, will often cause some wierd problems, especially in EFI vehicles, since the battery is an integral part of the electric system.
Jake
[B]The Prius is a joke. Why it occurs to no one that you aren't getting distance for free and are in fact simply trading gas power for electric power— which is, you know, mostly generated by fossil fuels and other less than environmentally friendly stuff— is well beyond me.
Toss in a price tag that could get you an Eclipse and performance that rivals an AMC Pacer and it's just a ludicrous waste of money. [/B][/QUOTE]
Err, I missed this one earlier, but I have to respond. The idea behind a hybrid is not that you are pulling electricity of the grid (which is still a more efficient form of energy than an I/C engine, but that's another thread somewhere), its that you are recovering energy lost during slow down, which can be significant so at least some can reused during acceleration.
BTW electric car versus internal combustion:
US power grid is about 45% efficient, meaning only 45% of the potential energy in the fuels used reaches the end user. An electric motor is generally 80% efficient. That means that about 36% of the beginning fuel would be used to power an electric car. Conversely the most efficient internal combustion engine used in today's cars is only about 15% efficient (I believe the maximum theoretical efficiency of an IC engine is 22%).
Jake
[B]This is quite true, but most likely it's just a drained bit. It was holding a charge once it was given it, but had been down to near 0 volts flat. A lightbulb is the most likely source in that area...a small one. Three weeks with the mercury switch toggled would do that just fine ;) [/B][/QUOTE]
Sanfam,
The hood has a mercury switch (or gravity switch) as opposed to a simple momentary, NC switch positioned somewhere to trigger when the hood is opened?
Jake
Jake
[B]swedish "it works, so STFU" [/B][/QUOTE]
HAHAHA! Unfortunately modern day sweden is not som much that way..
DELOREAN !!!!!!!!!!W)))))))))))))TT!
[B]That's why I like most European cars from the 80s and early 90s. Every one had a bit different way of putting things together. One thing I found with VWs, the first time you try to work on something specific, it a PITA, but after you figure it out, its generally easier then the eqivilent job on an American vehicle...try changing out the Alternator on a V6 Ford Contour...
Jake [/B][/QUOTE]
HAHAHAHA--no.
Been there, done that. Please, I'd much rather shoot myself in the spleen with many small shards of glass and iron. Oh, the pain. Ford version of it, but oh man...it was dreadful. Also, considering that I've been juggling alternators for my wagon since I'm too cheap to buy one good one...It'd be so much worse with the ford package :p
Also, my Audi...OH GOD! I look at the engine and die a little bit inside. All those wires...unnecessary wires to everything! WHY do there need to be vacuum actuators on the wastegate instead of a spring, and how come there are four switches attached to it? And why must the fuel injectors each have two lines going to them from distinctly different, though seemingly identical systems? WHY?!
[B]I'm telling you though the car I must have...
DELOREAN !!!!!!!!!!W)))))))))))))TT! [/B][/QUOTE]
Which, speaking from near personal experiance, are also maintance headaches . I had a friend with one (liscence plate McFly, even!) and it was nothing but a pain in the ass.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Sanfam [/i]
[B]
Also, my Audi...OH GOD! I look at the engine and die a little bit inside. All those wires...unnecessary wires to everything! WHY do there need to be vacuum actuators on the wastegate instead of a spring, and how come there are four switches attached to it? And why must the fuel injectors each have two lines going to them from distinctly different, though seemingly identical systems? WHY?! [/B][/QUOTE]
I think the Audi engineers for a while thought they were designing a space ship, because they kept over engineering everything, for seeming reduancy.
that or they were getting paid by the part, so they just threw in everything.
[B]Also, my Audi...OH GOD! I look at the engine and die a little bit inside. [/B][/QUOTE]
Hahah :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Yes, I know that feeling. I had that feeling when spent three days on my back changing out the tranny in one of the Scorpios I bought only to find the supposedly rebuilt unit I put in had a front seal leak...that was about a year ago and it's still sitting in my driveway...
Jake
The Audi 200 needs every single hose, belt, and major wear item replaced, as well as all fluids drained...all because it was sitting for six to eight years. More fun, I can't actually drop the gas tank without removing a good *half* of the all-wheel-drive system...which is very firmly attached :p Add on to this that the Alldata exploded views for the *intake* system are five pages. Turbo plumbing and wiring for related systems is eight...
Now I have to get the bad gas out of it and feed it some delicious fresh stuff...somehow. But it started! It started and ran (for a while) mostly on the crappy old gas (half-half, really) , which was most excellent. Aside from the fuel filter being completely and totally clogged to hell from the bad gas and in-tank debris, it actually ran quite nicely :D
Oh, and thank audi for putting a semi-intelligent fuel pump "always on" switch in the fusebox. Turned the ignition on and made a from my other volvo's fuel line that went from the filter to a barrel :p
Sadly, the filter keeps clogging. (whoops)
Jake
[B]Which, speaking from near personal experiance, are also maintance headaches . I had a friend with one (liscence plate McFly, even!) and it was nothing but a pain in the ass.[/B][/QUOTE]
Deloreans aren't so bad. I'm growing a bit more familiar with the engines as time goes on, and in all honestly, there's much that's far worse. Plus, nobody in their right mind keeps the PVR V6 :p I mean, come on...
4.4L Cadillac Northstar...or 2.8L PVR V6?
Burned rubber...or burned oil?
I think it's plainly obvious which of these is superior ;)
(hint: I'm probably leaning towards the two extra cylinders and/or not partly french one)
[B]1989. It's got the 10 valve 2.22L I5 with a somewhat decent turbo and all the handy dandy intercooler gear :D I'll have to get some photos, but I feel multiple heart attacks coming on (one for the joy of owning it, and one for the horrible pain following that) each time I look under the hood. [/B][/QUOTE]
Cool, not that it's any where near a 200, but I had a VW Fox which was actually an Audi layout (Front drive, longitudinal engine) with the VW 1.8L engine. Good little car, fun to drive on the backroads.
I'm in the process of rebuilding the engine in my XR4Ti and I picked up an Air/water intercooler to mount to it (currentlt there is not I/C). Add to it a water pump from a snowmobil and a radiator from a Honda VT750 for a heat exchanger and I should have a pretty slick setup.
Jake
Still, before anything else comes the big Volvo project: SBC/SBF --> Volvo wagon, which is now probably going to be a 740 (my 740...heh). Of course, as much as I'd like to go for a V8 in my daily driver, it looks like I'm going to end up with a 3.8SC (if only for fuel economy and weight savings alone). At the very least, it'll still have more "go" than my current engine...which desperately needs more than 106hp. (There's always a "+T" Swap, but I don't feel like sticking to premium gas)
Jake
Of course, I still want to do some immensely powerful V8 conversion. Something truly rediculous, perhaps hovering around a good 500, 600 hp. (mmm...twin-turbo LT1...)
Check closely on those engine weights, I'd be willing to bet the 3.8 with the charger is within a few pounds of a 5.0. The reason I say this because the 2.3 turbo that's in the XR, with turbo, etc is within 50 lbs of the fully decked small block ford.
Jake