To hell with letting go! Choke the bastards! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
Maybe once they file for Chapter 11, we could mount their heads on a pike and wave at them ala Vir. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img] Ohh wait, thats what we freespacers are gonna do to what's left of Interplay this friday. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/tongue.gif[/img] Anyone wanna come help?
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[url="http://www.3dap.com/hlp"][b]Hard Light Productions[/b][/url] - [i]Our last best hope for Freespace[/i]
"Isn't the universe a wonderful place? I wouldn't want to live anywhere else! Love to stay! Can't! Have to go. Kiss kiss, love love! Bye!" - G'Kar
What we do, is wait for Vivendi to try and sell Sierra...and we make them an offer they cannot refuse...$1 [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]
Worf
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Captain Gideon: I thought you said you dont hold a grudge?
Galen: I dont, I have no surviving enemies...at all
[quote]Ohh wait, thats what we freespacers are gonna do to what's left of Interplay this friday[/quote]
Friday? Count me in...heck, count Volition Watch in too [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
Its not dead till I let it go, and I will never let go. You'll get my hope when you pry it from my cold dead hands.
There are so many morons and heartless scum bags at the top and I take massive joy when their pure evilness comes back to bite. Those bastards are lucky I have self control and a mild grasp on reality. If only I had enough money to take them on on their turf, or at least a couple days of immunity from the law to take them down within my financial means.
Sorry had to get it off my shoulders, I am sane really I am, tell me you see that green Aardvark walking across the screen.
But really maybe they would be a little more reseptive to icreasing their bottom line even though it would probably still be in the red.
[This message has been edited by omega (edited 05-25-2002).]
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
Well I have to say I have little sympathy for them, especially the way they treat their subsidary companies ("make lots of money or else, we don't care how, fire everyone if you have to"). I do feel sorry for all the little people in the company who don't aspire to have all the money in the world.
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
[quote][b]There are so many morons and heartless scum bags at the top and I take massive joy when their pure evilness comes back to bite. Those bastards are lucky I have self control and a mild grasp on reality. If only I had enough money to take them on on their turf, or at least a couple days of immunity from the law to take them down within my financial means.[/b][/quote]
And this anger stems from... ?
I find it mildly amusing when people criticise the current mode of business, especially when they happen to be from a nation that espouses capitalistic aggression - as in so many cases, irony has the last laugh [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
Mr_Bungle you have missinterpretted my words, I love capitalism. What I have a problem with is how major corporations seem to be run by groups of mindless buffoons whos buffoonery and lack of vision is amplified by the committee system in which these companies are run. My qualm with Sierra and hence Vivendi is not only that they killed a game which I was awaiting with great anticipation, but that this move made little to no financial sense. They lost more money killing the game, even if it was only a moderate success (although I believe that the obscure subject would not have hurt this potentially revolutionary game's sales), than if they would have followed through and finished it. It made even less financial sense to with hold the IP from an interested party, at least they could have recouped some of their losses.
I am not angry with capitalism I am angry with the idiots who somehow make it to the tops of some corporations.
[This message has been edited by omega (edited 05-26-2002).]
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
[quote]Originally posted by Mr_Bungle:
[b] And this anger stems from... ?
I find it mildly amusing when people criticise the current mode of business, especially when they happen to be from a nation that espouses capitalistic aggression - as in so many cases, irony has the last laugh [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img][/b][/quote]
Just because they are from that nation, doesn't mean they support the same things as that nation.
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
On a constitution drawing heavily from the thinking of Locke, you have two forms of consent - express, and tacit.
In essence you have a system of consent whereby merely being a part of the state, and society, is grounds for consent in its actions, and those of said society - unless you actively protest against it, to some strenuous levels, then you are considered to be a consenting citizen.
I think it's his second Treatise on Government - it's quite cheap if you want to pick up a copy, and well worth reading though it does have some blatant flaws with regards to its majoritarian approach, along with its theory of property (which, in this case, is quite easily the basis of all inequality) and consent... still, he was the liberal thinking the Americans drew heavily from in the framing of their constitution.
As such it's very hard to distinguish people from their nations, Biggles - unless they actively protest against it - but, even then, you have have problems... just how do they go about this? Tacit consent would suggest that they need to drop out of society, and remove their consent to the current governmental form, but how many actually go so far? Is it even possible to go so far?
It's a fairly decent objection - if you work within a system, then how can you [i]realistically[/i] be opposed to it?
Omega, I don't think I have misinterpreted you - what you said sounded a tad disturbing, with regards to how angry you, apparently, are over this issue.
You've kicked Biggles' objection in the shin by defending capitalism; but then criticised how these companies work. But that's just it - that's how they work; to them it did make financial sense, though maybe not in any terms an outsider would see. Whether we like it or not, that's how the system works.
Yeah, you know that feeling... [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/frown.gif[/img]
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
Hmm you raise some good points. That's part of the problem with today's society, you have to broadly conform to the society.
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
Yes, it's an interesting debate - could probably bring it up in the Zocalo, some time [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
Hey, it's not my problem if threads go off topic from the original post. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
[quote]Originally posted by Mr_Bungle:
[b]
Omega, I don't think I have misinterpreted you - what you said sounded a tad disturbing, with regards to how angry you, apparently, are over this issue.
[/b][/quote]
Maybe I should have put some smilies in that post, now you think I am psycotic. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
I just think that these companies just play it too safe and are the worse for it. In order to be succesful in industries that change so much year to year you have to take more risks to be truely succesful. The problem is that the gaming industry got so succesful that some oldschool companies decided to get their hands into the industry with out really knowing what they were getting into, they just saw the figures these companies were pulling in with out seeing the hows and whys. Then they try and aply their oldschool business plans to their new aquisitions and it just doesn't work, without the inovation the company just stagnates and will eventually die or hopefully be reformed into what they once where.
I used to buy atleast one game a month. Now maybe two new games a year. The game that is on the top of my current playlist, Grand Prix Legends, was published in 1998, nuf said.
WarleaderInmate: Babylon Project Mental Health Facility
OH GOD CALL THE AMBULANCE GUNSHIPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
Oh I get it! This way, they can defend themselves!
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
Comments
[b]This could leave them more reseptive to a push for the IP. Just a thought.[/b][/quote]
God, no...no more beating of the dead horse, please? [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
and thats my german for today.
Let go Omega!
[/Jedi Voice]
[img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]
Maybe once they file for Chapter 11, we could mount their heads on a pike and wave at them ala Vir. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img] Ohh wait, thats what we freespacers are gonna do to what's left of Interplay this friday. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/tongue.gif[/img] Anyone wanna come help?
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[url="http://www.3dap.com/hlp"][b]Hard Light Productions[/b][/url] - [i]Our last best hope for Freespace[/i]
"Isn't the universe a wonderful place? I wouldn't want to live anywhere else! Love to stay! Can't! Have to go. Kiss kiss, love love! Bye!" - G'Kar
Worf
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Captain Gideon: I thought you said you dont hold a grudge?
Galen: I dont, I have no surviving enemies...at all
Ave Primo-Populi (Hail the Firstones)
[img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
Friday? Count me in...heck, count Volition Watch in too [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
[b][Jedi Voice]
Let go Omega!
[/Jedi Voice] [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img][/b][/quote]
That would be much healthier and easier on the ulcer-formation-potential too, eh?
There are so many morons and heartless scum bags at the top and I take massive joy when their pure evilness comes back to bite. Those bastards are lucky I have self control and a mild grasp on reality. If only I had enough money to take them on on their turf, or at least a couple days of immunity from the law to take them down within my financial means.
Sorry had to get it off my shoulders, I am sane really I am, tell me you see that green Aardvark walking across the screen.
But really maybe they would be a little more reseptive to icreasing their bottom line even though it would probably still be in the red.
[This message has been edited by omega (edited 05-25-2002).]
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
And this anger stems from... ?
I find it mildly amusing when people criticise the current mode of business, especially when they happen to be from a nation that espouses capitalistic aggression - as in so many cases, irony has the last laugh [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
I am not angry with capitalism I am angry with the idiots who somehow make it to the tops of some corporations.
[This message has been edited by omega (edited 05-26-2002).]
[b] And this anger stems from... ?
I find it mildly amusing when people criticise the current mode of business, especially when they happen to be from a nation that espouses capitalistic aggression - as in so many cases, irony has the last laugh [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img][/b][/quote]
Just because they are from that nation, doesn't mean they support the same things as that nation.
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
In essence you have a system of consent whereby merely being a part of the state, and society, is grounds for consent in its actions, and those of said society - unless you actively protest against it, to some strenuous levels, then you are considered to be a consenting citizen.
I think it's his second Treatise on Government - it's quite cheap if you want to pick up a copy, and well worth reading though it does have some blatant flaws with regards to its majoritarian approach, along with its theory of property (which, in this case, is quite easily the basis of all inequality) and consent... still, he was the liberal thinking the Americans drew heavily from in the framing of their constitution.
As such it's very hard to distinguish people from their nations, Biggles - unless they actively protest against it - but, even then, you have have problems... just how do they go about this? Tacit consent would suggest that they need to drop out of society, and remove their consent to the current governmental form, but how many actually go so far? Is it even possible to go so far?
It's a fairly decent objection - if you work within a system, then how can you [i]realistically[/i] be opposed to it?
Omega, I don't think I have misinterpreted you - what you said sounded a tad disturbing, with regards to how angry you, apparently, are over this issue.
You've kicked Biggles' objection in the shin by defending capitalism; but then criticised how these companies work. But that's just it - that's how they work; to them it did make financial sense, though maybe not in any terms an outsider would see. Whether we like it or not, that's how the system works.
Gah, am tired and hungover...
[b]Gah, am tired and hungover...[/b][/quote]
heh heh ...
[img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
[b]
Omega, I don't think I have misinterpreted you - what you said sounded a tad disturbing, with regards to how angry you, apparently, are over this issue.
[/b][/quote]
Maybe I should have put some smilies in that post, now you think I am psycotic. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
I just think that these companies just play it too safe and are the worse for it. In order to be succesful in industries that change so much year to year you have to take more risks to be truely succesful. The problem is that the gaming industry got so succesful that some oldschool companies decided to get their hands into the industry with out really knowing what they were getting into, they just saw the figures these companies were pulling in with out seeing the hows and whys. Then they try and aply their oldschool business plans to their new aquisitions and it just doesn't work, without the inovation the company just stagnates and will eventually die or hopefully be reformed into what they once where.
I used to buy atleast one game a month. Now maybe two new games a year. The game that is on the top of my current playlist, Grand Prix Legends, was published in 1998, nuf said.
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
Yes we will blame the french! vivendi and the evil that is poodles! evil!