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ArethusaArethusa Universal Cathode
I've been thinking about spending next year overseas before coming back to school, possibly teaching English. Problem is that that sort of job tends to require a BA, or at least some degree, which I don't have yet. Does anyone here know of any opportunities to teach or work overseas that don't require a degree? I speak some French and a bit less Japanese, but I'm not limiting myself to either country. Any input on this from anyone with any related experience would be much appreciated.

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  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    日本語が話せば、これがいい:[url]http://www.jetprogramme.org/[/url]
  • ArethusaArethusa Universal Cathode
    Definitely looks like I'd need a degree, unless there's some part of the site I missed.
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    Another option is to get a working holiday visa. They can last anywhere up to a year. The key difference is that you are not allowed to work any more than as required by living costs (basically, you're not supposed to go there for the work, you do the work to pay your way while there). It's very common for people to get a working holiday visa and then work part time in an english school, and working holiday visas are often used by people who don't speak a word of Japanese. Often the english school will help out with finding accomodation, etc. The tricky part is that you can't find a job until you get there so you need a fair chunk of cash available (I think they recommend something like $US3000 or $US6000) when you arrive. I have heard that some of the major english language schools (eg Nova) have recruitment programs in other countries such as NZ and the US, but I think these are more aimed at people looking to go there full time.

    How old are you? The working holiday system is aimed at younger people, so if you're around 20ish it could be a good choice.
  • ArethusaArethusa Universal Cathode
    I actually just turned 20, so I guess I'm the right age. I don't really have any money right now (well, around $100 US in my account, $150 owed me, and about $200 in tax refund on the way), and I've been trying to get a job for a while (go, Bush economy, go go). Hopefully, I'll be able to find something over the summer and make at least a few thousand before heading off to wherever.

    Also, I assume by "full time" you mean long term? Otherwise, the commute would probably be hell. I like the idea of the working holiday, but I must admit I don't really know anything about it beyond what you've mentioned here.
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    Actually, I mean both. Full time as in going there for long term living and full time as in full time work, which you are not allowed to do under the working holiday visa.

    Saving up over the summer and then going is a good plan. If you don't have enough cash, I think they'll just plain reject your visa application. If you want to know more, the best place is probably the Japanese MOFA site for them, [url=http://www.mofa.go.jp/j_info/visit/w_holiday/index.html]here[/url].

    OK, scratch that. I just had a quick read through that website, and for some reason they don't have an agreement with the USA. I thought they did, and frankly I'm pretty shocked they don't, and suspect there must be an alternative. I can't believe they don't have anything at all from the USA.

    In my search for the MOFA page, I did find these:
    [url]http://www.anyworkanywhere.com/[/url]
    [url]http://www.workingholidayguru.com/[/url]
    Maybe they'll have something available, plus you should be able to find out about places in Europe you could go to. I imagine there are english schools there, too.
  • ArethusaArethusa Universal Cathode
    Hm. That is very surprising. I'll definitely comb those links (and google) later when I have some time. This seems simultaneously more and less practicable than I had thought.

    Do you know of any alternatives to working holiday type programs, or, for that matter, what I would have to do to be able to travel to a country (specifically, Japan) and work full time for a year, or where I could find out? Also, in case you're curious, aside from my interest in and affinity for Japanese culture, I do know a couple people there, so I would have something of a safety net if things suddenly went very badly, though I must admit I'm just starting to like the idea of spending a year in Japan more and more.

    Also, are there potential opportunities for foreign work (without a degree) overseas that I've overlooked as alternatives to teaching English, or is that pretty much it?
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    I can understand your desire to go. :) I was planning to do a working holiday in Japan myself before my PhD got in the way.

    Japan is very, very restrictive about who they let into their country for more than the standard 3 or 4 week holiday. Apart from the working holiday and JET programs, the only other way that I know of is pretty much to be offered a job in Japan by a Japanese company (eg those large english schools I mentioned earlier), but that would most likely require a degree and a good level of Japanese (depending on the company, a proficiency test pass of level 2 or maybe even 1 could be required). For someone your age, I can't really think of anything outside the working holiday scheme, which obviously isn't an option. Have a look around that MOFA website and see if there is anything for the US.

    As for other countries: I know Australia, NZ and Britain all have pretty good felxibility about working holiday schemes. I've met a huge number of people who are here doing a working holiday from all over the world, including the US. They do all sorts of jobs, ranging from english teaching to boat maintenance. My brother went to Britain a couple of years ago and did temp work for a while before getting a full time job, but we do get special privaleges for being part of the commonwealth. I would suggest picking a few countries and having a look at their government websites, or possibly the websites of their embassies in the US.
  • ArethusaArethusa Universal Cathode
    Hm. Poked around the site for a while. Seems there really is nothing for Americans. I guess they just don't like us.

    I'm not quite ready to give up on it; I'm going to have to see if the people I know over there can help me find anything, though I'm not holding out tons of hope.

    Aside from that, I'll definitely poke around some other countries' websites and see what I can turn up. Are you by any chance familiar with working holiday-type programs in any non-English speaking (possibly European) countries and what they may or may not allow? While I'd really like any chance to get overseas, I'd prefer immersion in a more foreign culture (or at least language) than countries in the commonwealth can provide. Though maybe there's something with NZ; I always did want to visit Middle Earth, Japan, ancient Greece, and Narnia all at once.
  • The Cabl3 GuyThe Cabl3 Guy Elite Ranger
    If your in any sort of martial art that originates from Japan you can have you sensei sign you up for an extended visit.

    I may be doing so myself at some point.
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    The only programme I'm familiar with in the European countries is the AFS program, which I think you're probably too old for now and isn't what you're looking for anyway. I would say there are almost certainly working holiday programmes available for them. Mind you, I thought that about Japan...
  • ArethusaArethusa Universal Cathode
    Cabl3 Guy: I've trained in karate before, but that was a while ago, and with various less than traditional schools. Nothing at the moment, so I'm afraid that's not an option, unless you know of any Fairfield county, Connecticut schools who wouldn't mind training me for a couple months before sending me overseas.

    Biggles: the fun continues! Turns out the only countries that have work holiday programs with the US are commonwealth countries. Far as I can tell, this thoroughly defeats any plans for real cultural immersion. Sucks to be an American. I'm really not sure what to do next.

    Any Americans: how long does it take to get a passport for the first time? The State Department site only specifies a time for expedited processing, which is an extra $60 I'd hopefully be able to avoid spending.
  • I believe it takes a month, but don't quote me on that.
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    Geez. Your government sucks. My advice: beat some sense into them until they get some decent working holiday schemes. There's no point if they're with an english speaking country...


    As for my [i]real[/i] advice: Save up over summer, then go for a long holiday somewhere, as long as you can get a visa for. I recommend touring around Europe, perhaps basing yourself somewhere like London in order to provide somewhere to come back to for brief periods and because it's cheap to get to pretty much all of Europe from (my brother did this and had a great time). You may even be able to get short bursts of temp work in London that would help you cover costs a bit, depending on what the British government's views on americans working for short times are. Next, get your degree in whatever. Then go on the JET program.
  • ArethusaArethusa Universal Cathode
    Psht. Our country screws up bigger things than work holiday programs.

    I'm hoping I'll be able to figure something out with Japan this year (unlikely, but who knows). Assuming that doesn't work, how feasible do you think it would be to make hopping around the EU financially self sustaining? Coming out of it with at least a similar amount of money is a fairly big issue for me as I am, well, rather poor.
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    If you can get a visa to work in the UK for a short time and base yourself there, with trips to different parts of Europe, I think you could do reasonably well (my brother seemed to). If you actually want to work in other European contries, I don't know.
  • JackNJackN <font color=#99FF99>Lightwave Alien</font>
    9-11 was the worst excuse for removal of American freedoms.

    :rolleyes:

    While it was a very sad and evil event on it's own, what's worse is the excuse it created to become a police state.

    I wonder if Tennessee will be enough of a move...
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