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"Academic freedom" shouldn't mean student's can say what is appropriate to teach!
[url=http://www.alligator.org/pt2/050323freedom.php]The Law Could Let Students Sue For Untolerated Beliefs.[/url]
But at least there's one positive side...
[b]Maybe someone could sue those ones teaching religion![/b] :D
"Academic freedom" shouldn't mean student's can say what is appropriate to teach!
[url=http://www.alligator.org/pt2/050323freedom.php]The Law Could Let Students Sue For Untolerated Beliefs.[/url]
But at least there's one positive side...
[b]Maybe someone could sue those ones teaching religion![/b] :D
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Education, on the whole, is a concensus thing...."we think the world works like this...mostly"
Occasionally something gives us (society) reason to review what we used to know to be true and say "ooops, got that wrong".
But the thing of it is the ideas that are taught are ideas that work, that fit the observed data. It's stupid to have students given the power to dictate to lecturers what they are to be taught.
If they know so much why are they there?
[B]Not sure what I'm trying to say here but.....
Education, on the whole, is a concensus thing...."we think the world works like this...mostly"
Occasionally something gives us (society) reason to review what we used to know to be true and say "ooops, got that wrong".
But the thing of it is the ideas that are taught are ideas that work, that fit the observed data. It's stupid to have students given the power to dictate to lecturers what they are to be taught.
If they know so much why are they there? [/B][/QUOTE] good point...One of the reasons I dropped out myself.
This bill sounds like giving people the equivalent of the option of sueing the electricity company for providing the wrong kind of electricity!
Actually I think Biggles summed it up quite succinctly!
:D
I'm more annoyed by my classmates, who are so incredibly simple-minded I'm almost embarrassed to be at the same University as them. They seem to always say something and then hope the class will, due to likemindedness, validate their statement in lieu of facts. And they can never reason past conservatives being malicious colonizers or liberals being Marxist traitors, both of which are considered complete idiots by mere virture of having different political stances. What the hell do a bunch of more-enlightened-than-thou kids that wonder why we didn't invade North Korea instead of Iraq know about politics.
There should be a law against hippies, not professors. And instead of suing them, we can dress them up in tie-die and shoot them with rubber bullets.
I hate my classmates.
[B]I'm more annoyed by my classmates, who are so incredibly simple-minded I'm almost embarrassed to be at the same University as them. They seem to always say something and then hope the class will, due to likemindedness, validate their statement in lieu of facts. And they can never reason past conservatives being malicious colonizers or liberals being Marxist traitors, both of which are considered complete idiots by mere virture of having different political stances. What the hell do a bunch of more-enlightened-than-thou kids that wonder why we didn't invade North Korea instead of Iraq know about politics.
There should be a law against hippies, not professors. And instead of suing them, we can dress them up in tie-die and shoot them with rubber bullets.
I hate my classmates. [/B][/QUOTE]Quoted for emphasis. :)
[B]I'm more annoyed by my classmates, who are so incredibly simple-minded I'm almost embarrassed to be at the same University as them.[/QUOTE]
Yep, intelligence is depleting resource.
"Never underestimate the power of human stupidity."
-Robert Heinlein
"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
-Calvin
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
-Albert Einstein
- Richard Kemph
"Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage."
- Emerson
:D
[B]"My belief is that homework is abhorant. I am being indoctrinated into the requirement that homework must be submitted to get a good grade. Therefore I will sue any professor that issues homework assignments under the law that states: [According to a legislative staff analysis of the bill, the law would give students who think their beliefs are not being respected legal standing to sue professors and universities.]"
:D [/B][/QUOTE]
Go for it. It probably wont do much, but perhaps it will show them that censoring everything is bad.
And everyone, read Fahrenheit 451 if you havent (its not the one by Michael Moore)
...one can (absolutely without going to court) refer to observations, expriments, sources... that is, actual research... which contradicts the professor's view of things.
For sake of completeness, one should probably acknowledge what the lecturer taught (and describe it to necessary extent, so they realize one is not being lazy)... but if one really subscribes to a competing theory... surely one can present it likewise, and provide quality peer-reviewed evidence in its support -- thusly making the work more, not less complete (and rather difficult for anyone to reject).
Now, if such an approach is not accepted, and participation in the course deemed a failure... then first, one should complain about the professor's grading practise to the administrators of the institute. Then to the administrators of the university.
And if that likewise fails... and indeed, a student who submitted quality work finds their study efforts imperiled because of subjective grading... it appears natural that everything can be debated in court -- without any law being necessary to specifically permit this.
[B]I'm a poli-sci major and I've never really had any problem with my professors, even the ones with a clear and admitted bias that goes against what I stand for politically. They've all been brilliant so far.
I'm more annoyed by my classmates, who are so incredibly simple-minded I'm almost embarrassed to be at the same University as them. They seem to always say something and then hope the class will, due to likemindedness, validate their statement in lieu of facts. And they can never reason past conservatives being malicious colonizers or liberals being Marxist traitors, both of which are considered complete idiots by mere virture of having different political stances. What the hell do a bunch of more-enlightened-than-thou kids that wonder why we didn't invade North Korea instead of Iraq know about politics.
There should be a law against hippies, not professors. And instead of suing them, we can dress them up in tie-die and shoot them with rubber bullets.
I hate my classmates. [/B][/QUOTE]
MT, Ive been there too, same degree. Gah, of course I am fairly conservative so I was the blacksheep of the class.
In the end we had one amazing proffessor, Craig Carr. He destroyed EVERYTHING that everybody believed in. and left people with a gaping void in their souls. He was HATED by most of the students.
Then again in one term he had us read Plato, Machiavelli, Locke,Roussue and Marx.
And then tore them all to pieces during his lectures. God I think people in that class end up crying
We had another proffesor, Scott who tought international theory, he would have beaten anybody who asked why we didnt invade north korea, something about potential WWIII and prudence. Both proffs had little patience with idiocy.
Although they were good sports. After Carr called me stupid and ugly in the same two hour class section he didnt even call security when I told him If he kept it up I was going to punch a hole in the gas tank of his precious 55 T-Bird then set a flare under it. :D
[B]He destroyed EVERYTHING that everybody believed in. and left people with a gaping void in their souls.[/B][/QUOTE]Isn't that just what reality means?
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by The Cabl3 Guy [/i]
[B]ET do you always have to repeat those same quotes everytime ya post? [/B][/QUOTE]What's wrong with them... Do those hit inconvenient close to truth?
But if it makes you happy... basing to 15 year long observations mankind is dumb, irrational&incapable to thinking and lower than ameba in evolution of intelligence.
So did it make you feel better?
Its not that the quotes hit close to home, its that often times your quotes fit into the catagory of logical fallacy.
In which while you may be quoting somebody either, it partialy out of context, or they are not an expert in the matter we are discussing, or other equally famous and wise men disagree, excetera
In a speech debate you might win, but in the philosophy department at PSU, you would get raked over the coals, particularly by the profs that deal in logic.
Try using your own logic and reasoning with supporting evidence.
Although Im still in the "logic is a crock of shit" mood, then again, Ive been reading Hume again, and in the end were just all advocating things that make us feel good, because they make us feel good, nothing more, nothing less :P
Quoting others is not a good way to prove a point--too much parallelism and such in catchy phrases like those.