JohnD I am sure they are polite on a background check. I am not Anti-FBI or anti-law enforcment. 99% of all agents put their life on the line. It is just they have had their lapses. If they are givin an order to shoot on site they will. I am not talking about the Ruby Ridge or the Waco standoff. More like, for example, this archive item.
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To me that is scary stuff. In my opinion that is low class and foul. They shouldn't have to be givin a guidline on what is right and wrong when considering taking stuff from dead citizens. Their training and programming require them to follow orders. How can the say that a whislte blower was a problem employee for years? Why keep him employed then? The real scary stuff is the things that nobody finds out about.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by PSI-KILLER [/i]
[B]JohnD I am sure they are polite on a background check. I am not Anti-FBI or anti-law enforcment. 99% of all agents put their life on the line. It is just they have had their lapses. If they are givin an order to shoot on site they will. I am not talking about the Ruby Ridge or the Waco standoff. More like, for example, this archive item.[/B][/QUOTE]
If you claim 99% of the agents are okay, then why make the claim you seem to be making? If 13 agents of 400 took souvenirs from ground zero, that compares to what percentage of everyday grunt workers who take this or that from work? How often do the everyday people speed or make rolling stops (or none at all) through stop signs each week? How often do they do other things that could easily be categorized as low class and foul?
[QUOTE][B]To me that is scary stuff. In my opinion that is low class and foul. They shouldn't have to be givin a guidline on what is right and wrong when considering taking stuff from dead citizens. Their training and programming require them to follow orders. How can the say that a whislte blower was a problem employee for years? Why keep him employed then? The real scary stuff is the things that nobody finds out about. [/B][/QUOTE]
Scary stuff? I think you're being a bit melodramatic there. Scary stuff is the Patriot Act. Scary stuff is the MPAA/RIAA suing elderly women who are obviously innocent. Scary stuff is what's being done to our military as we're involved in two wars and countless small actions or occupying efforts across the world. Scary stuff is Congress wanting to cut our sub fleet in less than half while we're doing that. Scary stuff is Congress trying to interfere with a woman's wishes to die comfortably and not be forced by her family to be kept alive only by artificial means when that's all that keeps her in the persistent vegetative state she'd be in for the rest of her short life. Scary stuff is the government thinking it's their place to tell people they can or can't get married. Scary stuff is the fact we have a choice between lesser evils and an assortment of nuts and worrisome independent candidates here in the US. Scary is the fact that the middle class is losing ground while the rich keep getting richer. Scary is North Korea with nukes.
FBI agents taking keepsakes from ground zero, while not exactly being tactful or respectful of the dead, pales in comparison to the things in this country and this world that are actually scary.
I agree with you John that those international situations and the old ladies getting sued are scary.
I was just making comments in the perspective of Cable Guy and the Idenitiy theft issue and who to contact.
The vegitable lady, sub fleet size, North Korean Nukes and occupations occuring globally do not influence the ID theft thing that this thread was about concerning Cable Guy. But they are scary too.
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[B]CIA on the other hand...... [/B][/QUOTE]
Speaking from personal experience, most CIA and DIA employes and even agents are not terribly scary either. They push papers. Most of them dont even know how to use a gun with much proficiancy.
To be honest Cable Guy, your going to be fighting with this for much of the next 10 years, bank by bank, credit bureau by credit bureau.
I have a very good friend who has gone through the exact same thing, except in her case it really was her father, and she was also about 13 when this happend.
I'll talk to her and get details on her how to fight this, because it can be done.
Basicly you just have to show as people said, 1, it wasnt you who signed these things and 2, you were too young to have done any of this legaly at the time, that can be interesting because some states would penalize the lender for making illegal loans, so find out whats the case in your state, that might give you extra leverage.
Okay basicly, you apply for something, if you get rejected, get the details on why, go to the credit bureau that issued the damaging report, and get it cleared up.
then the application for what ever loan will end up being granted.
Its going to aggrivating, but not crippling.
The problem is it will take a while for this to get eliminated from all the various records, so perodicly as you apply for various things dont be suprised if you run into it again and have to clear it.
you might, you might not, it depends on how much they talk to each other, from here on out. Odds are some will get updated files, and some wont.
if your lucky its only one credit agency that has screwed things up.
If this was done deiberatly your only hope IS to bring the BBB, police and maybe even FBI into it. Plus the lenders, somebody out there is sitting on a bogus morgage and they need to figure out who.
If it were me that happened, I'd prolly beat the shit out of her no matter what. I have lost the ability to feel sympathy, especially for criminals of any kind.
Good to hear you got the worst load off your back. :p Unbelievable piece of sh*t you got dropped in, that's fer' sure. And yes, I too agree on the fact that your mother needs [i]some[/i] talking to. Preferably by an official of some sort...
You just _[b]don't[/b]_ pull this kind of shit on your own children.
Well first things first though my suspicions were that SHE did take out the mortgage because yes it does fit with her track record. She says she did not, I took her word for it. I can't say whether she did or didn't but now that it is dead & done no one has to hear about it again. I know that now she wouldn't do anything like that because she is defineatly more mature now. But still it goes to show you be very cautious who has your information...He who controls information deems himself your master - Pravin Lal "The Peacekeepers"
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There was a story on the national news a few weeks back about the number of children that had identity theft and thus had bad credit - before they were even able to have credit!
Estimate of something lik 20% of all children are in this position - and most won't learn of it until they go to get a college loan.
One child they fould wasn't even 2 weeks old...and already had bad credit due to a loan taken out under his/her name.
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i dont really know anything about the process of getting a loan or anything, but it seems to me that the birthday ought to be a dead give-away! or is there slightly more to the process than that?
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Actually it is quite different:
By having your SSN someone (with proper identification) can take out a loan in your name, assuming that identification says that they are you. Birthdate would be checked against that "fake" person's id not the actual owner of the SSN.
This is why it is a VERY stupid system presently. There is no verification that the person is actually who their ID says they are.
This is also a reason why it is VERY important not to let your SSN get out.
I always wondered what it was about "social security numbers" being so precious.
Because over here, a personal ID code (which identifies a citizen or permanent resident for state, to avoid confusing two persons with identical names) is considered "almost" public information.
You are not supposed to disclose one, but when making contracts, most companies ask for one anyway (shop-related web forms demanding one from foreigners is a frequently occuring oversight/nuisance), and most people do provide it when asked.
One of the problems is that many companies use the SSN as your identification number in there system, which makes it easy for someone to get a hold of it.
By law the only thing you have to provide your SSN for is to the government for tax purposes. But that's not to say a bank wouldn't refuse you loan if you decline to provide a SSN.
Fortunately it is begining to change, recently my health insurance provider moved away from SSN to its own numbering system to ID its members.
Jake
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Freejack [/i]
[B]Fortunately it is begining to change, recently my health insurance provider moved away from SSN to its own numbering system to ID its members.
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And if they did what most places usually do that doesn't do a damn bit of good. Why? Becuase they most likely went the "easy" route and just made dual IDs where the new one is used for letters, etc and the old SSN one is still in there for legacy support. Rather then fixing all their legacy apps that use the SSN, they probably just left it in the database. It's what a lot of places do.
Shadow: As for your comment, the problem with SSNs is that no one EVER asks to see your SSN card. Furthermore, if they did that SSN card wouldn't last more then a few days becuase it is of flimsy paper. This means that anyone can claim any SSN as their own (if they know the person's name and SSN) and then abuse that person's credit. That bank's aren't supposed to even use SSN doesn't change a thing--becuase it is the only way they feel they can "confirm" that the person is who they say between banks. Well...they really should wise up and realize that SSNs don't confirm anything anymore--not with all the identity theft.
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To me that is scary stuff. In my opinion that is low class and foul. They shouldn't have to be givin a guidline on what is right and wrong when considering taking stuff from dead citizens. Their training and programming require them to follow orders. How can the say that a whislte blower was a problem employee for years? Why keep him employed then? The real scary stuff is the things that nobody finds out about.
[B]JohnD I am sure they are polite on a background check. I am not Anti-FBI or anti-law enforcment. 99% of all agents put their life on the line. It is just they have had their lapses. If they are givin an order to shoot on site they will. I am not talking about the Ruby Ridge or the Waco standoff. More like, for example, this archive item.[/B][/QUOTE]
If you claim 99% of the agents are okay, then why make the claim you seem to be making? If 13 agents of 400 took souvenirs from ground zero, that compares to what percentage of everyday grunt workers who take this or that from work? How often do the everyday people speed or make rolling stops (or none at all) through stop signs each week? How often do they do other things that could easily be categorized as low class and foul?
[QUOTE][B]To me that is scary stuff. In my opinion that is low class and foul. They shouldn't have to be givin a guidline on what is right and wrong when considering taking stuff from dead citizens. Their training and programming require them to follow orders. How can the say that a whislte blower was a problem employee for years? Why keep him employed then? The real scary stuff is the things that nobody finds out about. [/B][/QUOTE]
Scary stuff? I think you're being a bit melodramatic there. Scary stuff is the Patriot Act. Scary stuff is the MPAA/RIAA suing elderly women who are obviously innocent. Scary stuff is what's being done to our military as we're involved in two wars and countless small actions or occupying efforts across the world. Scary stuff is Congress wanting to cut our sub fleet in less than half while we're doing that. Scary stuff is Congress trying to interfere with a woman's wishes to die comfortably and not be forced by her family to be kept alive only by artificial means when that's all that keeps her in the persistent vegetative state she'd be in for the rest of her short life. Scary stuff is the government thinking it's their place to tell people they can or can't get married. Scary stuff is the fact we have a choice between lesser evils and an assortment of nuts and worrisome independent candidates here in the US. Scary is the fact that the middle class is losing ground while the rich keep getting richer. Scary is North Korea with nukes.
FBI agents taking keepsakes from ground zero, while not exactly being tactful or respectful of the dead, pales in comparison to the things in this country and this world that are actually scary.
Yes! ... ;)
[B]FBI employees aren't as scary as you'd think. [/B][/QUOTE]
CIA on the other hand......
Mulder style!
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I agree with you John that those international situations and the old ladies getting sued are scary.
I was just making comments in the perspective of Cable Guy and the Idenitiy theft issue and who to contact.
The vegitable lady, sub fleet size, North Korean Nukes and occupations occuring globally do not influence the ID theft thing that this thread was about concerning Cable Guy. But they are scary too.
[B]CIA on the other hand...... [/B][/QUOTE]
Speaking from personal experience, most CIA and DIA employes and even agents are not terribly scary either. They push papers. Most of them dont even know how to use a gun with much proficiancy.
I have a very good friend who has gone through the exact same thing, except in her case it really was her father, and she was also about 13 when this happend.
I'll talk to her and get details on her how to fight this, because it can be done.
Basicly you just have to show as people said, 1, it wasnt you who signed these things and 2, you were too young to have done any of this legaly at the time, that can be interesting because some states would penalize the lender for making illegal loans, so find out whats the case in your state, that might give you extra leverage.
How the hell am I supposed to go to school without taking out tuition.
then the application for what ever loan will end up being granted.
Its going to aggrivating, but not crippling.
The problem is it will take a while for this to get eliminated from all the various records, so perodicly as you apply for various things dont be suprised if you run into it again and have to clear it.
if your lucky its only one credit agency that has screwed things up.
If this was done deiberatly your only hope IS to bring the BBB, police and maybe even FBI into it. Plus the lenders, somebody out there is sitting on a bogus morgage and they need to figure out who.
If it were me that happened, I'd prolly beat the shit out of her no matter what. I have lost the ability to feel sympathy, especially for criminals of any kind.
No one was accused or found guilty of any crime (As far as I know)
But now I have to wait for the credit card inquires to dissapear.
Anyway with a little patience no one got hurt except for the american taxpayer. I don't think sueing my mom would have made it better. :P
Regards,
Morden
You just _[b]don't[/b]_ pull this kind of shit on your own children.
Estimate of something lik 20% of all children are in this position - and most won't learn of it until they go to get a college loan.
One child they fould wasn't even 2 weeks old...and already had bad credit due to a loan taken out under his/her name.
By having your SSN someone (with proper identification) can take out a loan in your name, assuming that identification says that they are you. Birthdate would be checked against that "fake" person's id not the actual owner of the SSN.
This is why it is a VERY stupid system presently. There is no verification that the person is actually who their ID says they are.
This is also a reason why it is VERY important not to let your SSN get out.
Because over here, a personal ID code (which identifies a citizen or permanent resident for state, to avoid confusing two persons with identical names) is considered "almost" public information.
You are not supposed to disclose one, but when making contracts, most companies ask for one anyway (shop-related web forms demanding one from foreigners is a frequently occuring oversight/nuisance), and most people do provide it when asked.
By law the only thing you have to provide your SSN for is to the government for tax purposes. But that's not to say a bank wouldn't refuse you loan if you decline to provide a SSN.
Fortunately it is begining to change, recently my health insurance provider moved away from SSN to its own numbering system to ID its members.
Jake
[B]Fortunately it is begining to change, recently my health insurance provider moved away from SSN to its own numbering system to ID its members.
[/B][/QUOTE]
And if they did what most places usually do that doesn't do a damn bit of good. Why? Becuase they most likely went the "easy" route and just made dual IDs where the new one is used for letters, etc and the old SSN one is still in there for legacy support. Rather then fixing all their legacy apps that use the SSN, they probably just left it in the database. It's what a lot of places do.
Shadow: As for your comment, the problem with SSNs is that no one EVER asks to see your SSN card. Furthermore, if they did that SSN card wouldn't last more then a few days becuase it is of flimsy paper. This means that anyone can claim any SSN as their own (if they know the person's name and SSN) and then abuse that person's credit. That bank's aren't supposed to even use SSN doesn't change a thing--becuase it is the only way they feel they can "confirm" that the person is who they say between banks. Well...they really should wise up and realize that SSNs don't confirm anything anymore--not with all the identity theft.