Seems almost like a server class case to me although maybe a little smaller. You must have bought an alternate powersupply because from what I can tell on that picture there was enough to make it down there.
The case didn't come with a power supply. And CompUSA doesn't have extension cables. I haven't found it at newegg or zipzoomfly, but Directron seems to have the 24 pin extender, but no 12 V one.
It does have this, though: [url]http://shop.store.yahoo.com/directron/p4atx.html[/url]
Will that work?
I have an Athlon 64, but my motherboard says it needs a 12 V.
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
Ok, I can buy extenders from frozencpu.com, but I'm getting a little confused by the whole male/female connector thing. I always just assumed that male meant it had the pointy parts and female was where the pointy parts went into.
My connector from my modstream, from my understanding, is female; and my motherboard has the pointy parts so I'm assuming it's male.
Frozen CPU has 20 to 24 pin converters that should be a satisfactory substitute for a 24 pin extender (which is nowhere to be found anywhere). But it has the 20 pin side that connects to my motherboard listed as female, and the 24 pin side that would connect to my motherboard as male. So, from my understanding, that wouldn't work. And Frozen CPU doesn't have any screenshots of the connectors that would tell me if I'm wrong.
However, Directron does. It too has a 20 to 24 pin converter, and lists the 20 pin side as female and the 24 pin side as male. And from the screenshot, it looks like it would work just fine.
[url]http://www.directron.com/directron/20to24pin6in.html[/url]
[IMG]http://us.st7.yimg.com/store1.yimg.com/I/directron_1826_290514781[/IMG]
So, does that mean I've screwed up the whole male/female thing when it comes to cables, and the Frozen CPU converter should work fine?
[url]http://www.frozencpu.com/cab-69.html[/url]
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
Your understanding of male/female connectors is fine. The problem is it can get a bit confusing with connectors such as motherboard and HDD connectors, as some people use the terms regarding the plastic casing while others talk about the actual metallic connections themselves. If you're unsure, a picture is a good way to check.
Finally got the extension cables in. Turned on the computer, and all I get is beeping. No image on the screen, and the lights on my keyboard don't go on. Tried waiting 2 minutes to see if anything happened, and nothing. The manual for my nforce4 motherboard makes a reference to beeping codes, but no table exists in either the print or pdf version from the Asus website.
The CPU and vid card fans spin, the motherboard power and vid card lights light up, the case fans turn on, and the front LED goes on.
I unplugged one component at a time, except for the processor, to see if it was any of them causing the problem, but it wasn't.
I unplugged everything at once (vid card, RAM, sound card, fans, hard drive, optical drive, firewire and USB front panel ports) except for the processor and still nothing happened but beeping.
I tried putting the RAM in different slots, but that didn't do anything.
I unplugged the P4 power cable and the beeping stopped but it still didn't work, and I was unable to shut it down through the front switch.
I tried hooking up a different monitor to the computer in case my old monitor was the problem. It wasn't.
I removed the power supply so that I could plug it into the motherboard directly (without the extension cables), but that didn't fix the problem.
Two of my friends that do tech support for a high school and our university came over to check on it and couldn't figure out what was wrong.
I doubt it's the CPU, since that was the one thing installed by professionals. The motherboard and CPU are supposed to have been pre-tested by Monarch Computers.
We think we're missing something trivial, but don't know what it could be. Google searches have so far been unhelpful. Does anyone here know what it could be?
In case it matters, here are the specs:
OCZ ModStream 520W Power Supply with SATA Connector, Model "OCZ52012U"
Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe nForce4 SLI
AMD Athlon 64 3500+ 90nm (939) with Thermaltake A1772 fan and heatsink
Shin-Etsu G675 Thermal Grease
1GB OCZ4001024ELDCPER2-K OCZ EL DDR PC-3200 Platinum Revision 2
Maxtor (6B300S0) DiamondMax Plus 10 300GB SATA 7200 RPM 16MB Cache
Definitely doesn't fit anymore to this:
[i]After applying power, the system power LED on the system front panel case lights up. For systems with ATX power supplies, the system LED lights up when you press the ATX power button. If your monitor complies with “green” standards or if it has a “power standby” feature, the monitor LED may light up or switch between orange and green after the system LED turns on.
The system then runs the power-on self tests or POST. While the tests are running, the BIOS beeps (see BIOS beep codes table below) or additional messages appear on the screen. If you do not see anything within 30 seconds from the time you turned on the power, the system may have failed a power-on test. Check the jumper settings and connections or call your retailer for assistance.[/i]
Also if booting proceeds to POST phase errors should be told with speech messages instead of beeps.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by MT [/i]
[B]We think we're missing something trivial, but don't know what it could be.[/B][/QUOTE]Did you connect PSU to graphic card's power connector?
Lack of any picture hints to graphic card's direction.
When booting up PC graphic card boots first, you can even see screen of graphic card's "BIOS"/firmware before seeing BIOS' POST screen... and at least with Ati's card boot stops even before BIOS POST with error message on screen if you forget that additional power connector.
Also I've looked one PC which didn't boot up. Symptoms where pretty same, nothing on screen... just continous beeping.
Resetting BIOS to defaults solved that, but if you did anything with BIOS it would cause same problem immediately.
PS. Reminds me little about one old paperweight I had to look... no matter what you did it just kept beeping various error messages... unless you took CPU off, then it didn't give any error beeps!:D
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
If nothing is coming up on screen and it starts beeping before even booting the video card (the first part of a computer to actually boot, before even the motherboard), then there's a problem with the video card somehow. If this is the case then the beeping is basically the motherboard going "Oh sweet fuck I can't find a video card! What do I do now?!"
My suggestion: get a hold of another video card and try it.
The power supply was connected to my vid card. The fan spun and the light on the card turned on.
If it's the vid card, I'm kinda screwed since I don't know anyone else with a PCIe Express card to test with, and the motherboard doesn't have its own monitor port. I suppose I could stick my old Voodoo 3 card in a PCI slot and see what happens.
So what does POST stand for? Or is it just the normal English word but in all caps for some reason?
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by MT [/i]
[B]So what does POST stand for?[/B][/QUOTE]"Power on self test" if I remember correctly.
And I suggest trying with that Voodoo 3.
If it boots with it you're able to even install OS, just let OS use generic display drivers so that it's "clean install" when you try to get graphic card, you want to use, to work.
the asus a8n-sli deluxe has no onboard video. Removing the video card does nothing for unless you have another one.
You must have AT LEAST a cpu, some RAM and a video card if you want your system to POST (yes it does mean Power on Self Test).
A couple of questions:
1. Can you be 100% sure it was pretested?
2. Are there any jumper settings they changed that would hinder your install?
3. Use you manual, and go step by step. Even doing the things you think they did.
4. I have a GeForce 6800GT, bitchin vid card, but did you know it requires 2 power connectors from your power supply? Do you have BOTH of them plugged in?
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
The Voodoo 3 should be fine for testing. It doesn't have to be a brand new, top-of-the-line video card, just something that goes and uses a bus supported by your motherboard.
PCIe ? Hmmm... does the board also have an AGP slot?
Primary vid may be defaulted to AGP instead of PCIe. Since you can't get video, you can't look at the BIOS setting... :p
Try an AGP card, if it works, look at the BIOS, set video to PCIe if there is a setting for it. shutdown, switch cards, and boot up again...
Long shot but...
;)
Random ChaosActually Carefully-selected Order in disguise
I was just thinking: MT's Avatar and this thread do not seem to go together.
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As for your problems I'd try the Voodoo card. It will tell you if the entire mobo is bad or not.
Can you tell us the Beep code MT? (long, short, how many?) I have an (OLD) guide to beep codes from about 7 years ago, but POST codes (and beep codes) don't change that much so I might be able to help.
Just a side note: I have a Enermax 460W power supply on my system. It has an annoying "feature" that if the plug is pressed too hard against the case (if for some reason it doesn't perfectly fit the case opening) then when you turn the system on the system thinks it is in standby mode. I'm not sure why it does this, but clearly 2 parts are a bit too close inside the supply. Your problem could be a number of things beyond vid card:
1. PS could be bad and not providing enough power/wrong voltage to init the vid card.
2. Mobo could be bad and the SLI slots aren't working right.
If you have another PS arround I'd check to make sure it isn't the PS. There are a lot of crappy PSs out there that you can buy that "say" they are rated good but really that is their "peak" wattage output and can only sustain it for a few moments. Also PSs sometimes come in bad. purple
Random ChaosActually Carefully-selected Order in disguise
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by JackN [/i]
[B]PCIe ? Hmmm... does the board also have an AGP slot?
Primary vid may be defaulted to AGP instead of PCIe. Since you can't get video, you can't look at the BIOS setting... :p
Try an AGP card, if it works, look at the BIOS, set video to PCIe if there is a setting for it. shutdown, switch cards, and boot up again...
Long shot but...
;) [/B][/QUOTE]
PCIe boards don't have AGP, and hopefully ASUS removed the options for AGP from the Bios. PCIe replaces both PCI and AGP, though some boards have PCI slots for backwards compatibility. AGP is proprietary and would cause problems for the mobo to keep it with PCIe running video. purple
I can't be 100% sure it was pre-tested, but that's how it's advertised at Monarchcomputer.com I bought a motherboard/CPU combo from them, along with the 6800 GT and the power supply. Everything else was from Newegg, FrozenCPU, and some cable club or whatever.
I'm not sure I know what a jumper setting is. Chances are I didn't mess with them.
I and my buddies went through re-installing everything at least twice.
My OCZ Modstream has a PCIe connector built in, so no adapter was necessary. The card seems to get power from it just fine.
From memory, the beeps are about 2 seconds long, and come in 3 second intervals, I think. They just keep coming as far as I know. While there's beeping, all my fans spin, and the light on the vid card goes on. The hard drive doesn't seem to do anything, though, and the keyboard doesn't light up. Lights up momentarily when first plugged into a USB port, though.
I can't test another PSU on my setup, since I don't have one that's poweful enough, or has the right power connections. The 520 modstream is more than enough for what I have, and I don't have any way to test to see if it's what's wrong, so I really hope I don't have a faulty one.
And actually, I think my avatar is very appropriate for this thread. Captures my feelings pretty accurately.
Just a hunch but I bet for some reason its that extension cable you had to use.
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
It could be that extension cable. The way to test is to pull the motherboard out of the case and set it up next to it on a table or something such that the height of the motherboard is sufficient for all the cables to reach. Then plug in the vid card and ram (no need for drives) and turn it on.
I seem to recall that beep sequence, but I can't remember what it means. Could be a power thing, or it could be a video BIOS thing. A monitor failure is one long beep followed by 3 short beeps, so I don't think it's that, but that wouldn't stop it posting anyway.
Random ChaosActually Carefully-selected Order in disguise
Try this: Remove everything you don't need from the system - make it bare bones.
No HD, no CD drive. All you want is mem, CPU, vid card, PS, and fans in there. See what happens. This will imediately eliminate all those other peripherals from consideration.
If the problems still happen its with one of the things thats left. purple
Random ChaosActually Carefully-selected Order in disguise
Well, I did some checking and this site seems has the Beep codes for the Bios that board uses:
[url]http://bioscentral.com/beepcodes/awardbeep.htm[/url]
Already tested if it was the extension cables. That's not it.
Tried it without the drives; they weren't it.
The memory was in correctly. Tried it incorrectly, too, just to make sure. Still there was beeping. If the memory itself is somehow screwed up, I will be very sad.
Man, all this trouble could've been avoided if I just opted for 20 less watts on my PSU and a window on my case. (Because then it would've come fully built with the OS and latest drivers already installed.)
Just so its out there, I won't be able to test the Voodoo card on it till as early as Thursday, since I'm dorming right now.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by MT [/i]
[B] The hard drive doesn't seem to do anything, though, and the keyboard doesn't light up. Lights up momentarily when first plugged into a USB port, though.[/B][/QUOTE]Other sign showing that there's some error before POST.
At least extension cable cause voltage losses by adding one "bad contact" more.
And considering PSU, do you have something to measure voltage?
You can start PSU without rest of the system by shortcutting (I use 2W 220R resistor for that job because it's perfect sized and stays in place, but normal wire works just as well) green wire to ground from motherboard's connector. (color might vary but green is most common)
BTW, did you try resetting BIOS? (which I mentioned in my earlier post)
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[url]http://www.anandtech.com/casecooling/showdoc.aspx?i=2219[/url]
Seems almost like a server class case to me although maybe a little smaller. You must have bought an alternate powersupply because from what I can tell on that picture there was enough to make it down there.
It does have this, though: [url]http://shop.store.yahoo.com/directron/p4atx.html[/url]
Will that work?
I have an Athlon 64, but my motherboard says it needs a 12 V.
My connector from my modstream, from my understanding, is female; and my motherboard has the pointy parts so I'm assuming it's male.
Frozen CPU has 20 to 24 pin converters that should be a satisfactory substitute for a 24 pin extender (which is nowhere to be found anywhere). But it has the 20 pin side that connects to my motherboard listed as female, and the 24 pin side that would connect to my motherboard as male. So, from my understanding, that wouldn't work. And Frozen CPU doesn't have any screenshots of the connectors that would tell me if I'm wrong.
However, Directron does. It too has a 20 to 24 pin converter, and lists the 20 pin side as female and the 24 pin side as male. And from the screenshot, it looks like it would work just fine.
[url]http://www.directron.com/directron/20to24pin6in.html[/url]
[IMG]http://us.st7.yimg.com/store1.yimg.com/I/directron_1826_290514781[/IMG]
So, does that mean I've screwed up the whole male/female thing when it comes to cables, and the Frozen CPU converter should work fine?
[url]http://www.frozencpu.com/cab-69.html[/url]
Man does living in Hawaii suck. Only here can shipping cost more than what you're ordering.
Maybe Alaska, too...
The CPU and vid card fans spin, the motherboard power and vid card lights light up, the case fans turn on, and the front LED goes on.
I unplugged one component at a time, except for the processor, to see if it was any of them causing the problem, but it wasn't.
I unplugged everything at once (vid card, RAM, sound card, fans, hard drive, optical drive, firewire and USB front panel ports) except for the processor and still nothing happened but beeping.
I tried putting the RAM in different slots, but that didn't do anything.
I unplugged the P4 power cable and the beeping stopped but it still didn't work, and I was unable to shut it down through the front switch.
I tried hooking up a different monitor to the computer in case my old monitor was the problem. It wasn't.
I removed the power supply so that I could plug it into the motherboard directly (without the extension cables), but that didn't fix the problem.
Two of my friends that do tech support for a high school and our university came over to check on it and couldn't figure out what was wrong.
I doubt it's the CPU, since that was the one thing installed by professionals. The motherboard and CPU are supposed to have been pre-tested by Monarch Computers.
We think we're missing something trivial, but don't know what it could be. Google searches have so far been unhelpful. Does anyone here know what it could be?
In case it matters, here are the specs:
OCZ ModStream 520W Power Supply with SATA Connector, Model "OCZ52012U"
Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe nForce4 SLI
AMD Athlon 64 3500+ 90nm (939) with Thermaltake A1772 fan and heatsink
Shin-Etsu G675 Thermal Grease
1GB OCZ4001024ELDCPER2-K OCZ EL DDR PC-3200 Platinum Revision 2
Maxtor (6B300S0) DiamondMax Plus 10 300GB SATA 7200 RPM 16MB Cache
(yes, Maxtor, I know.)
NEC ND-3520A 16X Double Layer DVD±RW Drive
Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS Gamer
eVGA GeForce 6800 GT
[i]After applying power, the system power LED on the system front panel case lights up. For systems with ATX power supplies, the system LED lights up when you press the ATX power button. If your monitor complies with “green” standards or if it has a “power standby” feature, the monitor LED may light up or switch between orange and green after the system LED turns on.
The system then runs the power-on self tests or POST. While the tests are running, the BIOS beeps (see BIOS beep codes table below) or additional messages appear on the screen. If you do not see anything within 30 seconds from the time you turned on the power, the system may have failed a power-on test. Check the jumper settings and connections or call your retailer for assistance.[/i]
Also if booting proceeds to POST phase errors should be told with speech messages instead of beeps.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by MT [/i]
[B]We think we're missing something trivial, but don't know what it could be.[/B][/QUOTE]Did you connect PSU to graphic card's power connector?
Lack of any picture hints to graphic card's direction.
When booting up PC graphic card boots first, you can even see screen of graphic card's "BIOS"/firmware before seeing BIOS' POST screen... and at least with Ati's card boot stops even before BIOS POST with error message on screen if you forget that additional power connector.
Also I've looked one PC which didn't boot up. Symptoms where pretty same, nothing on screen... just continous beeping.
Resetting BIOS to defaults solved that, but if you did anything with BIOS it would cause same problem immediately.
PS. Reminds me little about one old paperweight I had to look... no matter what you did it just kept beeping various error messages... unless you took CPU off, then it didn't give any error beeps!:D
My suggestion: get a hold of another video card and try it.
If it's the vid card, I'm kinda screwed since I don't know anyone else with a PCIe Express card to test with, and the motherboard doesn't have its own monitor port. I suppose I could stick my old Voodoo 3 card in a PCI slot and see what happens.
So what does POST stand for? Or is it just the normal English word but in all caps for some reason?
[B]So what does POST stand for?[/B][/QUOTE]"Power on self test" if I remember correctly.
And I suggest trying with that Voodoo 3.
If it boots with it you're able to even install OS, just let OS use generic display drivers so that it's "clean install" when you try to get graphic card, you want to use, to work.
Are there jumpers on the motherboard for enabling PCIx?
I agree that if this beeping is happening BEFORE anything else, it's a video problem...or a motherboard problem.
You must have AT LEAST a cpu, some RAM and a video card if you want your system to POST (yes it does mean Power on Self Test).
A couple of questions:
1. Can you be 100% sure it was pretested?
2. Are there any jumper settings they changed that would hinder your install?
3. Use you manual, and go step by step. Even doing the things you think they did.
4. I have a GeForce 6800GT, bitchin vid card, but did you know it requires 2 power connectors from your power supply? Do you have BOTH of them plugged in?
Primary vid may be defaulted to AGP instead of PCIe. Since you can't get video, you can't look at the BIOS setting... :p
Try an AGP card, if it works, look at the BIOS, set video to PCIe if there is a setting for it. shutdown, switch cards, and boot up again...
Long shot but...
;)
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As for your problems I'd try the Voodoo card. It will tell you if the entire mobo is bad or not.
Can you tell us the Beep code MT? (long, short, how many?) I have an (OLD) guide to beep codes from about 7 years ago, but POST codes (and beep codes) don't change that much so I might be able to help.
Just a side note: I have a Enermax 460W power supply on my system. It has an annoying "feature" that if the plug is pressed too hard against the case (if for some reason it doesn't perfectly fit the case opening) then when you turn the system on the system thinks it is in standby mode. I'm not sure why it does this, but clearly 2 parts are a bit too close inside the supply. Your problem could be a number of things beyond vid card:
1. PS could be bad and not providing enough power/wrong voltage to init the vid card.
2. Mobo could be bad and the SLI slots aren't working right.
If you have another PS arround I'd check to make sure it isn't the PS. There are a lot of crappy PSs out there that you can buy that "say" they are rated good but really that is their "peak" wattage output and can only sustain it for a few moments. Also PSs sometimes come in bad. purple
[B]PCIe ? Hmmm... does the board also have an AGP slot?
Primary vid may be defaulted to AGP instead of PCIe. Since you can't get video, you can't look at the BIOS setting... :p
Try an AGP card, if it works, look at the BIOS, set video to PCIe if there is a setting for it. shutdown, switch cards, and boot up again...
Long shot but...
;) [/B][/QUOTE]
PCIe boards don't have AGP, and hopefully ASUS removed the options for AGP from the Bios. PCIe replaces both PCI and AGP, though some boards have PCI slots for backwards compatibility. AGP is proprietary and would cause problems for the mobo to keep it with PCIe running video. purple
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I'm not sure I know what a jumper setting is. Chances are I didn't mess with them.
I and my buddies went through re-installing everything at least twice.
My OCZ Modstream has a PCIe connector built in, so no adapter was necessary. The card seems to get power from it just fine.
From memory, the beeps are about 2 seconds long, and come in 3 second intervals, I think. They just keep coming as far as I know. While there's beeping, all my fans spin, and the light on the vid card goes on. The hard drive doesn't seem to do anything, though, and the keyboard doesn't light up. Lights up momentarily when first plugged into a USB port, though.
I can't test another PSU on my setup, since I don't have one that's poweful enough, or has the right power connections. The 520 modstream is more than enough for what I have, and I don't have any way to test to see if it's what's wrong, so I really hope I don't have a faulty one.
And actually, I think my avatar is very appropriate for this thread. Captures my feelings pretty accurately.
I seem to recall that beep sequence, but I can't remember what it means. Could be a power thing, or it could be a video BIOS thing. A monitor failure is one long beep followed by 3 short beeps, so I don't think it's that, but that wouldn't stop it posting anyway.
No HD, no CD drive. All you want is mem, CPU, vid card, PS, and fans in there. See what happens. This will imediately eliminate all those other peripherals from consideration.
If the problems still happen its with one of the things thats left. purple
[url]http://bioscentral.com/beepcodes/awardbeep.htm[/url]
Looks like it is a memory error most likely.
Tried it without the drives; they weren't it.
The memory was in correctly. Tried it incorrectly, too, just to make sure. Still there was beeping. If the memory itself is somehow screwed up, I will be very sad.
Man, all this trouble could've been avoided if I just opted for 20 less watts on my PSU and a window on my case. (Because then it would've come fully built with the OS and latest drivers already installed.)
Just so its out there, I won't be able to test the Voodoo card on it till as early as Thursday, since I'm dorming right now.
[B] The hard drive doesn't seem to do anything, though, and the keyboard doesn't light up. Lights up momentarily when first plugged into a USB port, though.[/B][/QUOTE]Other sign showing that there's some error before POST.
At least extension cable cause voltage losses by adding one "bad contact" more.
And considering PSU, do you have something to measure voltage?
You can start PSU without rest of the system by shortcutting (I use 2W 220R resistor for that job because it's perfect sized and stays in place, but normal wire works just as well) green wire to ground from motherboard's connector. (color might vary but green is most common)
BTW, did you try resetting BIOS? (which I mentioned in my earlier post)