I wouldn't necessarily call these rumors. e-mail from Ken Williams and magazine articles, assuming they're not total fabrications, are pretty good proof that Sierra would like to try to revisit its roots.
If that 's possible, then it should be. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
At the moment I don 't have other informations as your informations. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
And so, there is still hope to become back a great former "Games - developing and Publishing - Company" .
Only time will tell.... [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/vsml.gif[/img]
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[url="http://ifh.firstones.com"]I've Found Her-Babylon 5 free game[/url]
Sounds typically Sierra -they don't have a clue as to what to make (they never did), so why not mine past glory in hopes of an accidental success. Tell me, what was the last decent selling/critically acclaimed game put out by one of Sierra's in-house teams. My guess would be Gabriel Knight 2, and SWAT 2? How long ago was that? I'll see if I can dig up any scuttlebutt at GDC.
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
[quote][snip]
He has several of the old games
back in development
[snip][/quote]
But not the most important one.
It would be good to see Sierre go back to what it used to be, but I don't think that's possible anymore. They can spit out new games with the old names, but Sierra has gone too far in the wrong direction to go back.
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
The dev teams have put through the wash for too many cycles; I doubt if even one of the current Sierra developers ever worked on one of the past in-house greats.
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[quote]Originally posted by samuelk:
[b]Ken Williams seems to think it might be.
[url="http://www.sierra-online.com/news/#16"]http://www.sierra-online.com/news/#16[/url] [/b][/quote]
Is it possible that they might revive ITF? It might be one of the more promising titles that they have canned in recent years, and it's well on the way to completion, so they may have reasons to work on it again.
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[b]Commander[/b] socrates
flightleader, [i]Erinyes[/i]
The Gray Hand of Fate
AnlaShok Blackops
"Do [b]NOT[/b] interfere."
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
If they could convince the devs to work for Sierra again, which I find highly unlikely (correct me if I'm wrong, devs). Of course, they could always give it to S14S to develope and be the publisher...
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
I'd rather see the whole chop-shop go down under and up in flames for good instead of seeing them working on old titles. I'd like to remember the old Sierra from the good old games it made, not from it raping a truckload of perfectly good nostalgia for the sake of pulling a quick buck.
Currently, there are no good enough markets for adventure games, so as long as Sierra still tries to make profit, they won't do the old titles justice. Sad but true.
Die damnit! Die! And STAY DEAD!
Phew.
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Life is full of surprises. The ones reserved for me usually come wearing brass knuckles.
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
I agree. The old games may be great, but they wouldn't sell well in the current gaming market.
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
[rant] It use to be that someone would come up with a novel product and then the marketing weevils would be charged with CREATING a market for the new product. They would be charged with CREATING DEMAND where there was none before.
But now it seems like the marketing weevils run the show, and their main responsibility is to poll the gamer market to try and figure out where the least risk is, which encourages lots of the same old thing (except for increased technology demands), entrenched genres, and a dead-end for the evolution of interactive entertainment.
I understand that in business you have to mitigate risk. But we’ve entered a time of extremism. There must be SOME risk, otherwise the market collapses when everyone becomes bored to tears with the same old thing, and cynical about hype.
Our culture is all about the bottom line, and very little (if any) about art, social sciences, and philosophy – except in terms of how those fields can be manipulated to increase the bottom line.
And so the film, TV, and interactive entertainment arts end up with fantastic graphics and effects and (with some exceptions) bankrupt content. [/rant]
[This message has been edited by Randy (edited 03-18-2002).]
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
Randy: The biggest problem with the extremism is that there are fresh subjects going in the bottom of the age bracket while old ones go out the top. It will take a lot longer to exhaust the market from boredom with this pattern providing fresh mindless-game players all the time.
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
[quote]Originally posted by Biggles:
[b]Randy: The biggest problem with the extremism is that there are fresh subjects going in the bottom of the age bracket while old ones go out the top. It will take a lot longer to exhaust the market from boredom with this pattern providing fresh mindless-game players all the time.
[/b][/quote]
I have to disagree, I think that the game market is supply and demand really, only the lack of supply leads to the lack of demand, there are so few good adventure games out there, that nobody wants to play them.
I think that if there were good Quest style games again, and a many of them, that there would be a market, I mean ever since the trend went more to FPS and RPG, i've stopped buying games really, back in the Adventure game days of the late 80's early 90's, i'd buy 2 or 3 games a month, now i buy MAYBE 2 or 3 a year.
Take Command of Deep Ship 86, assuming the role of Roger Wilco on his mission to rid the galaxy of all the trash and garbage.
3D interface that lets you zoom in and out, rotate the camera and see the action at any angle imaginable.
Launch garbage scows to collect floating rubbish to be brought back and recycled.
5 intense missions take you from one side of the galaxy to the other in your ultimate mission.
Note: requires the original Homeworld to play.
This is what I'm expecting.
Worf
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Captain Gideon: I thought you said you dont hold a grudge?
Galen: I dont, I have no surviving enemies...at all
Ave Primo-Populi (Hail the Firstones)
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
[quote]Originally posted by Entil'Zha:
[b] I have to disagree, I think that the game market is supply and demand really, only the lack of supply leads to the lack of demand, there are so few good adventure games out there, that nobody wants to play them.
I think that if there were good Quest style games again, and a many of them, that there would be a market, I mean ever since the trend went more to FPS and RPG, i've stopped buying games really, back in the Adventure game days of the late 80's early 90's, i'd buy 2 or 3 games a month, now i buy MAYBE 2 or 3 a year.[/b][/quote]
The same thing has happened to me. I hardly buy many games any more, and I used to buy heaps. Any games I do buy are usually old adventure or RPG ones that are cheap now. I find the current crop of games very boring.
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
If sierra decides to go back to its traditional routs, it might not just be rehashing old games, I mean what if the impossible happend, and the Marketing weasal they hired happens to have a closet fetish for dialogue intensive adventure games?
I want to see Gabriel Knight 4 (which I would kill to see damnit, I love that series) Im also hoping for another Quest for Glory game, I actualy liked them a bit more then King's Quest.
I mean, Dev's I know you guys didnt seem to like the way Ken ran the place, but it was better then the marketing finks who took over wasn't it?
I have a pet theory about shooting people with MBA's but we wont get into that.
[quote]Originally posted by Tyvar:
[b]
I dont know, I think this may be a good thing.
If sierra decides to go back to its traditional routs, it might not just be rehashing old games, I mean what if the impossible happend, and the Marketing weasal they hired happens to have a closet fetish for dialogue intensive adventure games?
I want to see Gabriel Knight 4 (which I would kill to see damnit, I love that series) Im also hoping for another Quest for Glory game, I actualy liked them a bit more then King's Quest.
I mean, Dev's I know you guys didnt seem to like the way Ken ran the place, but it was better then the marketing finks who took over wasn't it?
I have a pet theory about shooting people with MBA's but we wont get into that.
[/b][/quote]
An MBA isn't a bad thing, unless it's the only degree you have.
-R.
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[i]"...Never start a fight...but [b]always[/b] finish it."[/i]
The problem with the MBA's I've met in the entertainment industry is that their education is not well-rounded. They know business and that’s it. They know nothing of the arts, and yet they are at the controls. They may understand business as an isolated ideal, but they know nothing of what it takes to create quality entertainment. They have no interest in, or understanding of ‘heart’. The one's I've met seems like left-brain dominated, money worshiping, soulless, ego-inflated...
Ouch... Well I hope I'm a little different than that...
I do see where you are comming from, just remember because those people are there you can devote all your time and energy to the art and not have to worry about money as often (unless they start messing with your work, that is a problem).
We're not all bad, I swear [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
[upon a little refection I've chose to add the following]
We're not all bad, just most of us, I swear. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
[This message has been edited by Konrad (edited 03-20-2002).]
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
Looks like Konrad's just joined the queue for execution in the name of preserving the rest of us. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
What exactly is an MBA?
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
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At the moment I don 't have other informations as your informations. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
And so, there is still hope to become back a great former "Games - developing and Publishing - Company" .
cu
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"When it is time,come to this place,call our name,we will be here"-Walkers of Sigma957
[url="http://ifh.firstones.com"]I've Found Her-Babylon 5 free game[/url]
1. Why go back to a logo of a landmark that means nothing to them, aside from pulling at gamer's nostalgia.
2. Going back to your roots is good, assuming that they are not the root of all evil, or have root-rot.
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[i]"...Never start a fight...but [b]always[/b] finish it."[/i]
Marc
Marc: No kidding, man. I'll be hitching up with JW sometime during the show: Want to join us?
-Rick
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[i]"...Never start a fight...but [b]always[/b] finish it."[/i]
He has several of the old games
back in development
[snip][/quote]
But not the most important one.
It would be good to see Sierre go back to what it used to be, but I don't think that's possible anymore. They can spit out new games with the old names, but Sierra has gone too far in the wrong direction to go back.
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
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We are here to place President Grenewetzki under arrest!
[b]Ken Williams seems to think it might be.
[url="http://www.sierra-online.com/news/#16"]http://www.sierra-online.com/news/#16[/url] [/b][/quote]
Is it possible that they might revive ITF? It might be one of the more promising titles that they have canned in recent years, and it's well on the way to completion, so they may have reasons to work on it again.
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[b]Commander[/b] socrates
flightleader, [i]Erinyes[/i]
The Gray Hand of Fate
AnlaShok Blackops
"Do [b]NOT[/b] interfere."
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
Currently, there are no good enough markets for adventure games, so as long as Sierra still tries to make profit, they won't do the old titles justice. Sad but true.
Die damnit! Die! And STAY DEAD!
Phew.
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Life is full of surprises. The ones reserved for me usually come wearing brass knuckles.
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
But now it seems like the marketing weevils run the show, and their main responsibility is to poll the gamer market to try and figure out where the least risk is, which encourages lots of the same old thing (except for increased technology demands), entrenched genres, and a dead-end for the evolution of interactive entertainment.
I understand that in business you have to mitigate risk. But we’ve entered a time of extremism. There must be SOME risk, otherwise the market collapses when everyone becomes bored to tears with the same old thing, and cynical about hype.
Our culture is all about the bottom line, and very little (if any) about art, social sciences, and philosophy – except in terms of how those fields can be manipulated to increase the bottom line.
And so the film, TV, and interactive entertainment arts end up with fantastic graphics and effects and (with some exceptions) bankrupt content. [/rant]
[This message has been edited by Randy (edited 03-18-2002).]
[b]I can see it now... Liesure Suit Larry, the FPS.[/b][/quote]
Half Life the RPG [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
[b]Randy: The biggest problem with the extremism is that there are fresh subjects going in the bottom of the age bracket while old ones go out the top. It will take a lot longer to exhaust the market from boredom with this pattern providing fresh mindless-game players all the time.
[/b][/quote]
I have to disagree, I think that the game market is supply and demand really, only the lack of supply leads to the lack of demand, there are so few good adventure games out there, that nobody wants to play them.
I think that if there were good Quest style games again, and a many of them, that there would be a market, I mean ever since the trend went more to FPS and RPG, i've stopped buying games really, back in the Adventure game days of the late 80's early 90's, i'd buy 2 or 3 games a month, now i buy MAYBE 2 or 3 a year.
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..And so it Begins
Take Command of Deep Ship 86, assuming the role of Roger Wilco on his mission to rid the galaxy of all the trash and garbage.
3D interface that lets you zoom in and out, rotate the camera and see the action at any angle imaginable.
Launch garbage scows to collect floating rubbish to be brought back and recycled.
5 intense missions take you from one side of the galaxy to the other in your ultimate mission.
Note: requires the original Homeworld to play.
This is what I'm expecting.
Worf
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Captain Gideon: I thought you said you dont hold a grudge?
Galen: I dont, I have no surviving enemies...at all
Ave Primo-Populi (Hail the Firstones)
[b] I have to disagree, I think that the game market is supply and demand really, only the lack of supply leads to the lack of demand, there are so few good adventure games out there, that nobody wants to play them.
I think that if there were good Quest style games again, and a many of them, that there would be a market, I mean ever since the trend went more to FPS and RPG, i've stopped buying games really, back in the Adventure game days of the late 80's early 90's, i'd buy 2 or 3 games a month, now i buy MAYBE 2 or 3 a year.[/b][/quote]
The same thing has happened to me. I hardly buy many games any more, and I used to buy heaps. Any games I do buy are usually old adventure or RPG ones that are cheap now. I find the current crop of games very boring.
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
That's how cynical I am any more.
I used to be able to trust that when I bought a game from a certain company, I could be pretty sure I wasn't wasting my money.
PR and marketing are empty visions IMHO.
If sierra decides to go back to its traditional routs, it might not just be rehashing old games, I mean what if the impossible happend, and the Marketing weasal they hired happens to have a closet fetish for dialogue intensive adventure games?
I want to see Gabriel Knight 4 (which I would kill to see damnit, I love that series) Im also hoping for another Quest for Glory game, I actualy liked them a bit more then King's Quest.
I mean, Dev's I know you guys didnt seem to like the way Ken ran the place, but it was better then the marketing finks who took over wasn't it?
I have a pet theory about shooting people with MBA's but we wont get into that.
[b]
I dont know, I think this may be a good thing.
If sierra decides to go back to its traditional routs, it might not just be rehashing old games, I mean what if the impossible happend, and the Marketing weasal they hired happens to have a closet fetish for dialogue intensive adventure games?
I want to see Gabriel Knight 4 (which I would kill to see damnit, I love that series) Im also hoping for another Quest for Glory game, I actualy liked them a bit more then King's Quest.
I mean, Dev's I know you guys didnt seem to like the way Ken ran the place, but it was better then the marketing finks who took over wasn't it?
I have a pet theory about shooting people with MBA's but we wont get into that.
[/b][/quote]
An MBA isn't a bad thing, unless it's the only degree you have.
-R.
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[i]"...Never start a fight...but [b]always[/b] finish it."[/i]
But other than that they seem really swell.
I do see where you are comming from, just remember because those people are there you can devote all your time and energy to the art and not have to worry about money as often (unless they start messing with your work, that is a problem).
We're not all bad, I swear [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
[upon a little refection I've chose to add the following]
We're not all bad, just most of us, I swear. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
[This message has been edited by Konrad (edited 03-20-2002).]
What exactly is an MBA?
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras