Actually, I read though that a while ago, curious about where the title came from. I was lucky enough to be out of town at the time the topic went through, though, preventing me from making an ass of myself as usual. ;)
Random ChaosActually Carefully-selected Order in disguise
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Biggles [/i]
[B]DoM: We had that conversation in the last mac thread, where A# earned the title "Mac Fanboy" in bright pink for a while and began to establish his reputation as the Fanboy Who Believes Stupid Things. :) If you want, you can go [url=http://forums.firstones.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6872]relive the memories[/url]. [/B][/QUOTE]
:D
I find it amazing that someone as smart as A% is in the way of Blender has so much trouble understanding the complexities of various operating systems and the problems and capabilities of various graphical rendering libraries.
All macs I've had the mis-privalage of using = Crash crash crash. Boot up, crash. try to do anything, crash.
If by complexities you mean using a Mac without touching the single button time saving mouse, or touching the keyboard lest the PC CRASH the moment you do...well yea.
I do hear they make good, but combersome, paperweights. ;)
PC = the place to be. :D hmm....thats catchy....
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
Didn't I tell you to stop trolling, A#? If you're going to argue a point, do it properly. Otherwise, don't bother.
Ahash is a conservative, his ilk is all about conformity about going with the flow, going with what you know and the status quo... (how poetic).
There's always a degree of Ostrichitis with this approach to life. If you hate change/radicalism/ being too different, which is a core belief of your average conservative, you bury your head in the sand when something comes along which may challenge your world view.
Ahash is no different in this situation. We could be talking about Chevs and Fords with the same sorts of endless circular arguements.
Unlike XP the Mac OS X has a real tcp/ip stack due to the unix core.
Unlike the windows series there is minimal hardware conflicts with a mac.
Portland State University OIT also stated at one point (god damn where is that link?) that the iMacs has less problems than the PC in the student labs.
Yea, less problems because no one bothered to use em. :D ;)
And SB: I'm not a Minbari! I'm a Shadow! Oh, right...exoskeleton.... :D
OK, I'll stop now, lest I wind up getting another title... ;)
Random ChaosActually Carefully-selected Order in disguise
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by A2597 [/i]
All macs I've had the mis-privalage of using = Crash crash crash. Boot up, crash. try to do anything, crash.
If by complexities you mean using a Mac without touching the single button time saving mouse, or touching the keyboard lest the PC CRASH the moment you do...well yea.
I do hear they make good, but combersome, paperweights. ;)
PC = the place to be. :D hmm....thats catchy.... [/B][/QUOTE]
I worked on setting up and repairing macs all through high school. I have to tell you that they are very solid systems electronically, but if something goes wrong hardware side, it can be a pain to get it working again. With a PC you just go out and buy a new part. With a Mac it isn't that simple...becuase parts are more expensive. My guess is that you had something defective on your mobo or memory to cause that sort of crash. In fact, the only Mac I ever had crash happy was one that had coffee or soda spilled all over the interior. After taking it appart, cleaning it up, and replacing the ram that had been fried the system worked just fine. Note that 2 employed sysops hadn't figured out what was wrong after almost a year...it took me all of a day during study hall. :D
I wish I was allowed access to the inside of the PC's on campus...
or even just the ability to install software like AdAware/Spybot/Firefox....
BTW, why does it say Fanboy under my name? :D
Seriously, I understood CatLover and Mac Fanboy, but this one I don't get? I always go with the product that works the best for me, for the best price. And I will of course share my thoughts on said product provided I'm happy with it, or if I'm not. (Such as, I was happy with the GeForce 3, but did not like the FX series, but the ATI 9700/9800 series I liked, I'm not 100% keen on the X800 series due to price...
I like WinXP Because I've had very few problems, and those can be atributed to user error, Macs...I already said enough on that one...
I've always done research (Usually more then a month's worth of research for any product over 50$) and go to the one that suits my needs best. I *NEVER* buy on name brand alone. Yes, I'm guilty of falling for hype, I did with the IPod thats for certain, but research yeilded a better answer. IMHO a fanboy would be someone that makes purchases 100% by namebrand, and will not admit any errors in their decision.
I've had windows problems, and I've shared them here. I've had ATI problems, I've shared those as well...so someone care to explain to me in laymans terms why I'm a fanboy?
i love how once in a while people agree that we are all grown up on this forums. up comes a thread about apple and everyone starts acting childish as if this is the one topic where they can throw around their useless arguments and feel good about it.
why you are a fanboy? you say you have researched, hours and hours yet if someone asks you about it the reply is usually something along "a friend told me.." "i cant remember the link" "all the people i know" "sorry, somethig came up, what was the question?" etc.
show us some facts where it says macs crash all the time. show us some facts where it says that XP "is the place to be. show us some facts that you can please provide valid argumentation!
it's called "personal experiance" has warned me away from Macs.
As for the ipod/vid card thing, who here cares? I could dig up a number of links on that matter, but thats not what this discussion it about. I COULD locate links to other people bashing macs, or other people having hard times with macs, but theres no scientific data collected that states "macs are crash happy". Just as there is no scientific data (To my knowledge) that star wars is better then star trek. I imagine some people become violently ill if forced to watch one over the other. Thing is, no one cares. We are however, entitled to our own opinions on the matter, and to be allowed to reach our own conclusions. Myself, I'll never own a Mac. This does not mean I love windows, it means I hate macs, and PC's (Not nessisarily windows, thats software) are the better solution for me.
and for the record, I WAS called away, my mom just got home from surgery, so understandably, I needed to leave for a bit.
I find fascinating how good we are at staying on-topic, based on the original question posed in the thread. ;)
Also, for the record, I own both a PC and a mac. The PC runs Win XP Pro, the mac - OS X Panther. Here's an honest comparison based on my experience...
While I prefer OS X over Win XP, and apple to PC, I feel that the reason many people feel very strongly about hating macs is because of the proprietary architecture... if the system works as expected, people tend to love it. However, if the system starts acting up, things tend to deteriorate very quickly. In many ways, this is similar to end user experience with Cell Phone service providers. All cell phone providers generally provide a decent service, and unless you run into problems, you'll be very happy with your phone. However, if for whatever reason things start breaking down, cell phone industry tech support is so horrible that (again, generally speaking) you'll grow to hate your provider.
I am happy with both systems. I think as far as operating systems go, OS X is the better system because of the brilliant combination of Darwin engine and a very user friendly UI. In my experience, OS X is also the more stable of the two operating systems. I have the iMac on for months at a time with virtually no performance degradation/memory leaks/etc while I find it necessary to restart the XP system at least once a week.
However, when it comes to software lineup as well as hardware maintenance, so far the PC has been way ahead. The reasoning there is that the iMac is far more difficult to troubleshoot, especially when it comes to hardware. For an example, review my original email. I purchased a top of the line iMac a couple of years ago for $2000. At the time it was an 800Mhz with an integrated 17" flat screen. Now that the CPU is not able to keep up with the most recently released games, I have absolutely no way of upgrading just the CPU of my system to enable it to play new games. Instead, if I want to upgrade, I have to spend another $2000 for another top of the line iMac, this time it'll buy me a 1.8Ghz CPU with a 20" flat screen. While I'm not happy about this, there are two reasons why I find it somewhat reasonable.
1) Two years is not at all a bad run for a computer, given how quickly systems become outdated.
2) The new iMac design is much more user friendly in terms of maintenance and hardware upgrades. I'm hoping that if I were to buy the new iMac model, this problem of being unable to upgrade just the CPU will never be repeated.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by croxis [/i]
[B]Anicdotes is not evidence.
Unlike XP the Mac OS X has a real tcp/ip stack due to the unix core.
Unlike the windows series there is minimal hardware conflicts with a mac.
Portland State University OIT also stated at one point (god damn where is that link?) that the iMacs has less problems than the PC in the student labs. [/B][/QUOTE]
hardware? is there something called "hardware upgrade" on a Mac? :)
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by A2597 [/i]
[B]...I like how Direct X gets new features all the time. Very nice. :D... [/B][/QUOTE]
"Features" (rolls eyes) ... that's only because they keep breaking things...ask Dan :)
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Arik [/i]
[B]Not sure about powerbooks... [/B][/QUOTE]
It wouldn't matter if they arn't upgradeable for the purposes of this discussion, as PC ones generally arn't any more upgradeable. It's generally accepted that when you buy a laptop the only things you'll be able to change are the memory size and HDD size.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by A2597 [/i]
[B]it's called "personal experiance" has warned me away from Macs. [/B][/QUOTE]
Funny, but everytime I've seen you discuss Macs, its always comments about your [b]sister's[/b] experiences with a [b]SINGLE[/b] machine or like 5 seconds on google. I see you have learned NOTHING from your asskicking in the aforementioned thread. :rolleyes:
However, lets just follow that logic train for a second and see where it takes us. If "personal experience" were to be taken as absolute evidence, then my experiences with with Compaq's, Dell's, Gateway's, and HP's would say that they ALL suck, are crash-happy, and are just downright unreliable in general. This is totally ignoring other factors like user errors on the part of the owner of said machines, state of the internal hardware, how many layers of dust are caked on to aforementioned hardware, how many times the moron beat the shit out of it everytime they got an "illegal operation". Hell, I knew an elderly woman that quite literally took a shotgun to a computer and blew apart the entire side of a I sold her because she got an "illegal operation" and was afraid that the police would arrest her. :rolleyes: However, if you want to take this a step further, then just because one black man robbed a bank, every black man is a thief and should be locked up on sight. After all, "personal experiences" should be taken above all else, including evidence to the contrary, right?
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
Isn't that shotgun-computer-illegal-error-police thing an urban legend? ;)
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Biggles [/i]
[B]Isn't that shotgun-computer-illegal-error-police thing an urban legend? ;) [/B][/QUOTE]
A similar occurance was posted on Computer Stupidities, if thats what you mean. She only blew a hole in the side. This woman blew the entire SIDE of the computer off. What I didn't mention is that she tried to get a refund afterwards. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Vertigo1 [/i]
[B]Funny, but everytime I've seen you discuss Macs, its always comments about your [b]sister's[/b] experiences with a [b]SINGLE[/b] machine or like 5 seconds on google. I see you have learned NOTHING from your asskicking in the aforementioned thread. :rolleyes:
[/B][/QUOTE]
multiple machines, not one.
and I got my ass kicked? Didn't relize, no bruises or marks at all. :D
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[B]DoM: We had that conversation in the last mac thread, where A# earned the title "Mac Fanboy" in bright pink for a while and began to establish his reputation as the Fanboy Who Believes Stupid Things. :) If you want, you can go [url=http://forums.firstones.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6872]relive the memories[/url]. [/B][/QUOTE]
:D
I find it amazing that someone as smart as A% is in the way of Blender has so much trouble understanding the complexities of various operating systems and the problems and capabilities of various graphical rendering libraries.
Win 95 = worse
Win 98 1st ed: EEP
WinXP = YES! A stable operating system!!!
All macs I've had the mis-privalage of using = Crash crash crash. Boot up, crash. try to do anything, crash.
If by complexities you mean using a Mac without touching the single button time saving mouse, or touching the keyboard lest the PC CRASH the moment you do...well yea.
I do hear they make good, but combersome, paperweights. ;)
PC = the place to be. :D hmm....thats catchy....
There's always a degree of Ostrichitis with this approach to life. If you hate change/radicalism/ being too different, which is a core belief of your average conservative, you bury your head in the sand when something comes along which may challenge your world view.
Ahash is no different in this situation. We could be talking about Chevs and Fords with the same sorts of endless circular arguements.
Give up.
Ahash will always be a bonehead. :D
I'll always be a damned hippy bastard.
Unlike XP the Mac OS X has a real tcp/ip stack due to the unix core.
Unlike the windows series there is minimal hardware conflicts with a mac.
Portland State University OIT also stated at one point (god damn where is that link?) that the iMacs has less problems than the PC in the student labs.
And SB: I'm not a Minbari! I'm a Shadow! Oh, right...exoskeleton.... :D
OK, I'll stop now, lest I wind up getting another title... ;)
All macs I've had the mis-privalage of using = Crash crash crash. Boot up, crash. try to do anything, crash.
If by complexities you mean using a Mac without touching the single button time saving mouse, or touching the keyboard lest the PC CRASH the moment you do...well yea.
I do hear they make good, but combersome, paperweights. ;)
PC = the place to be. :D hmm....thats catchy.... [/B][/QUOTE]
I worked on setting up and repairing macs all through high school. I have to tell you that they are very solid systems electronically, but if something goes wrong hardware side, it can be a pain to get it working again. With a PC you just go out and buy a new part. With a Mac it isn't that simple...becuase parts are more expensive. My guess is that you had something defective on your mobo or memory to cause that sort of crash. In fact, the only Mac I ever had crash happy was one that had coffee or soda spilled all over the interior. After taking it appart, cleaning it up, and replacing the ram that had been fried the system worked just fine. Note that 2 employed sysops hadn't figured out what was wrong after almost a year...it took me all of a day during study hall. :D
or even just the ability to install software like AdAware/Spybot/Firefox....
BTW, why does it say Fanboy under my name? :D
Seriously, I understood CatLover and Mac Fanboy, but this one I don't get? I always go with the product that works the best for me, for the best price. And I will of course share my thoughts on said product provided I'm happy with it, or if I'm not. (Such as, I was happy with the GeForce 3, but did not like the FX series, but the ATI 9700/9800 series I liked, I'm not 100% keen on the X800 series due to price...
I like WinXP Because I've had very few problems, and those can be atributed to user error, Macs...I already said enough on that one...
I've always done research (Usually more then a month's worth of research for any product over 50$) and go to the one that suits my needs best. I *NEVER* buy on name brand alone. Yes, I'm guilty of falling for hype, I did with the IPod thats for certain, but research yeilded a better answer. IMHO a fanboy would be someone that makes purchases 100% by namebrand, and will not admit any errors in their decision.
I've had windows problems, and I've shared them here. I've had ATI problems, I've shared those as well...so someone care to explain to me in laymans terms why I'm a fanboy?
I still can't fidn the link so ignore what I said about the campus OIT.
why you are a fanboy? you say you have researched, hours and hours yet if someone asks you about it the reply is usually something along "a friend told me.." "i cant remember the link" "all the people i know" "sorry, somethig came up, what was the question?" etc.
show us some facts where it says macs crash all the time. show us some facts where it says that XP "is the place to be. show us some facts that you can please provide valid argumentation!
As for the ipod/vid card thing, who here cares? I could dig up a number of links on that matter, but thats not what this discussion it about. I COULD locate links to other people bashing macs, or other people having hard times with macs, but theres no scientific data collected that states "macs are crash happy". Just as there is no scientific data (To my knowledge) that star wars is better then star trek. I imagine some people become violently ill if forced to watch one over the other. Thing is, no one cares. We are however, entitled to our own opinions on the matter, and to be allowed to reach our own conclusions. Myself, I'll never own a Mac. This does not mean I love windows, it means I hate macs, and PC's (Not nessisarily windows, thats software) are the better solution for me.
and for the record, I WAS called away, my mom just got home from surgery, so understandably, I needed to leave for a bit.
Also, for the record, I own both a PC and a mac. The PC runs Win XP Pro, the mac - OS X Panther. Here's an honest comparison based on my experience...
While I prefer OS X over Win XP, and apple to PC, I feel that the reason many people feel very strongly about hating macs is because of the proprietary architecture... if the system works as expected, people tend to love it. However, if the system starts acting up, things tend to deteriorate very quickly. In many ways, this is similar to end user experience with Cell Phone service providers. All cell phone providers generally provide a decent service, and unless you run into problems, you'll be very happy with your phone. However, if for whatever reason things start breaking down, cell phone industry tech support is so horrible that (again, generally speaking) you'll grow to hate your provider.
I am happy with both systems. I think as far as operating systems go, OS X is the better system because of the brilliant combination of Darwin engine and a very user friendly UI. In my experience, OS X is also the more stable of the two operating systems. I have the iMac on for months at a time with virtually no performance degradation/memory leaks/etc while I find it necessary to restart the XP system at least once a week.
However, when it comes to software lineup as well as hardware maintenance, so far the PC has been way ahead. The reasoning there is that the iMac is far more difficult to troubleshoot, especially when it comes to hardware. For an example, review my original email. I purchased a top of the line iMac a couple of years ago for $2000. At the time it was an 800Mhz with an integrated 17" flat screen. Now that the CPU is not able to keep up with the most recently released games, I have absolutely no way of upgrading just the CPU of my system to enable it to play new games. Instead, if I want to upgrade, I have to spend another $2000 for another top of the line iMac, this time it'll buy me a 1.8Ghz CPU with a 20" flat screen. While I'm not happy about this, there are two reasons why I find it somewhat reasonable.
1) Two years is not at all a bad run for a computer, given how quickly systems become outdated.
2) The new iMac design is much more user friendly in terms of maintenance and hardware upgrades. I'm hoping that if I were to buy the new iMac model, this problem of being unable to upgrade just the CPU will never be repeated.
Just my 5 cents. :)
[B]I find fascinating how good we are at staying on-topic, [/B][/QUOTE]
LOL...have we ever had a thread that stayed on topic past 10 post?
Or do you mean the Bump thread? It still has a topic: Bump.
Bump!
[B]Anicdotes is not evidence.
Unlike XP the Mac OS X has a real tcp/ip stack due to the unix core.
Unlike the windows series there is minimal hardware conflicts with a mac.
Portland State University OIT also stated at one point (god damn where is that link?) that the iMacs has less problems than the PC in the student labs. [/B][/QUOTE]
hardware? is there something called "hardware upgrade" on a Mac? :)
[B]hardware? is there something called "hardware upgrade" on a Mac? :) [/B][/QUOTE]
For the old iMacs, not really. But for the power macs and new iMac models, absolutely.
Not sure about powerbooks...
[B]thats because OpenGL is out dated. Big time. Doom3 proved that OpenGL is WAY past it's Prime.
And yea, Apple sucks. the Ipod sucks to. Lots of cheaper, better alternatives. :D [/B][/QUOTE]
Huh?
A#: you gotta let loose of that whacky tabacco, mate.
DooM3 was dark, but it was anything but dated in appearance...the OGL effects were just as good as [i]anything[/i] valve shows off.
Doubt it? Look [url=http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/23/1631228&tid=204]here[/url] to see Half-Life 2 maps rendered in the Doom3 Engine.
Don't go all fanboy on us now ;)
-R.
PS: I love my iPOD :P ;)
[B]...I like how Direct X gets new features all the time. Very nice. :D... [/B][/QUOTE]
"Features" (rolls eyes) ... that's only because they keep breaking things...ask Dan :)
[B]Not sure about powerbooks... [/B][/QUOTE]
It wouldn't matter if they arn't upgradeable for the purposes of this discussion, as PC ones generally arn't any more upgradeable. It's generally accepted that when you buy a laptop the only things you'll be able to change are the memory size and HDD size.
[B]it's called "personal experiance" has warned me away from Macs. [/B][/QUOTE]
Funny, but everytime I've seen you discuss Macs, its always comments about your [b]sister's[/b] experiences with a [b]SINGLE[/b] machine or like 5 seconds on google. I see you have learned NOTHING from your asskicking in the aforementioned thread. :rolleyes:
However, lets just follow that logic train for a second and see where it takes us. If "personal experience" were to be taken as absolute evidence, then my experiences with with Compaq's, Dell's, Gateway's, and HP's would say that they ALL suck, are crash-happy, and are just downright unreliable in general. This is totally ignoring other factors like user errors on the part of the owner of said machines, state of the internal hardware, how many layers of dust are caked on to aforementioned hardware, how many times the moron beat the shit out of it everytime they got an "illegal operation". Hell, I knew an elderly woman that quite literally took a shotgun to a computer and blew apart the entire side of a I sold her because she got an "illegal operation" and was afraid that the police would arrest her. :rolleyes: However, if you want to take this a step further, then just because one black man robbed a bank, every black man is a thief and should be locked up on sight. After all, "personal experiences" should be taken above all else, including evidence to the contrary, right?
[B]Isn't that shotgun-computer-illegal-error-police thing an urban legend? ;) [/B][/QUOTE]
A similar occurance was posted on Computer Stupidities, if thats what you mean. She only blew a hole in the side. This woman blew the entire SIDE of the computer off. What I didn't mention is that she tried to get a refund afterwards. :rolleyes:
[B]Funny, but everytime I've seen you discuss Macs, its always comments about your [b]sister's[/b] experiences with a [b]SINGLE[/b] machine or like 5 seconds on google. I see you have learned NOTHING from your asskicking in the aforementioned thread. :rolleyes:
[/B][/QUOTE]
multiple machines, not one.
and I got my ass kicked? Didn't relize, no bruises or marks at all. :D