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Yesterdays Enterprise, SPOILER!
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One question (and here comes the spoiler):
Was that a fracking Romulan in the end?
Oh btw, those Vulcan cruisers sure look nice...
Was that a fracking Romulan in the end?
Oh btw, those Vulcan cruisers sure look nice...
Comments
bring on the Earth/Romulan war!
There were people on board Enterprise (1701, AKA Kirks ship) that said they had lost family members on ships destroyed in battles in the Earth Romulan war... but for some reason we never saw what they looked like. (Probably audio only communications, may even have been a tactic of the romulans to make their prey think they were less advanced....)
I hope they respect the "Never seeing a Romulan" part though.
That was a decent episode too, I like how they tied Denise Crosby back into the series there. Kudos the first REAL female captain too btw, Rachael Garret looked like she knew that being a captain meant more than just playing it safe like other would be female captains...
Since I've only seen ST: Voyager and watching Enteprise atm I feel I've missed out on much of the storyline in the ST universe and so I'm thinking of getting everything and watch through it but I have a question first, is TOS important to the storyline or is it mostly non-connected eps with adventures and Kirk sleeping around (just kidding, no offence to fans :D)? And how important are the movies?
Star Trek: TNG: Good, lots of good eps that form the universe a little better.
ST: DS9: I totally ditched this series after season 3 when it originally aired. It just didn't feel like trek. Unfortunetally, season 4 - 7 were absolutly rocking, as I found out when I downloaded all 7 seasons and re-watched it. VERY VERY VERY GOOD. Must be watched in order
ST:Voyager: Worst of all the series. No doubt.
The movies:
ALL of the Kirk movies are a must
And of TNG movies, ST: Ressurection kinda was meh
TOS - While most of the stories are generally unconnected, it does give you a good feel for the bad guys, and a general understanding of the Trek Universe. Plus you get to see Kirk sleep with everything that has a pulse. I tell you, McCoy must have had one hell of a time curing all of Kirks Alien STD's.
TNG - Next Gen is widely regarded as the heart and sould of Star Trek. Its what helped to bring it back from obscurism. However, realistically, the first couple of seasons are pretty weak, even developmentally there wasnt much that we even learned about all the characters. It really gets going in season 4 and keeps up a real good pace through the end. Again, TNG is the bread and butter of Trek, a very large portion of the Star Trek Cannon was layed out for us in Next Gen.
DS9 - Brain child of Ira Steven Behr and Ronald D Moore, this was the first truly non-Rodenberry Trek to hit the screen. Most people didnt like it, its darker stories and more adult themes turned away many avid trekkers. What got it going though was its writing, it became far and away the most well written Trek to date. With continuing stories and characters that had real backstory and real development, this really was Paramonts answer to Babylon 5.
Voyager - With Rick Berman and Brannon Brega firmly at the head of Trek, they were free to run it into the fucking ground. The first series with a woman captain and she gets fucking lost in the pilot episode. This is by far, some of the worst science fiction Ive ever seen. Episodes are chaotic at best, and dont even have continuity with each other. Characters are badly acted with even poorer writing. A good majority of these episodes follow the same basic script with some name changes. *insert alien of the week* takes over the ship, the crew look to all be killed in a matter of moments *insert token trademark technobabble line* the ship is saved and no security measures are taken to prevent this catastrophy from happening next week.
Enterprise - Once again with B/B firmly entrinched in Trek they continue their destruction of the Trek legacy. Most fans were split in wanting either:
1. Another show set in what would be the 24th century
2. A show based on Captain Sulu and the Excelsior
3. Skip further ahead to the future and show us the next Enterprise
Notice, no where in there was the option, destroy all cannon by jumping on the star wars bandwagon and making some kind of half assed prequel to Star Trek. The first 3 seasons were utterly forgettable, season 3 being the absolute worst. They tried to have a solid story arc that would last 1 year, but all they got was 3 or 4 episodes of any value and 22 episodes of pure stupidity. The Xindi were capable of tearing the enterprise a few new assholes and instead left it alive? sure they did, especially when they are hell bent on destroying the human species. That would have been like the Black Star not coming back and trying to finish off Sherridan and his ship.
As far as the movies go, as a general rule the even numbered Treks are usually pretty good with the odd numbered ones being pretty worthless.
ST I: The Motion Picture - If you decide to watch this movie be carefull, you may have a difficult time getting the image of Jimmy Doohans package bouncing around in those incredibly ugly pastel jumpsuits out of your mind. It does set up alot though, letting you see what has happend since Kirks 5 year mission has ended.
ST II: The Wrath of Khan - Wrath of Khan is the continuation of TOS episode season 1, Space Seed (see, some of those TOS episodes were worth watching). We see what has happend to Khan and his band of Augments, and he swears revenge against Kirk. This one is well worth it.
ST III: The Search For Spock - This one is a little strange, but it continues the mission set out by ST II. Its a little far out on the script, but this is one worth watching. You do have see how it ends anyways, it sets up the fourth one.
ST IV: The Voyage Home - This is the comedy movie for Star Trek. In it, they travel back in time to save some whales. With cliche lines like Everybody remember where we parked, its funny in its own right. If I recall, this one was written by Leonard Nimoy, who also gets creative with the character of Spock.
ST V : The Final Frontier - This movie was written and directed by William Shatner, none other than Kirk himself. To its credit, it might be a decent stand alone movie, but it really tanked following a hit like ST4. I believe that Gene Roddenberry came out and said do not treat this movie as cannon after its release. If thats any idication, you wont miss much if you skip this movie.
ST VI : The Undiscovered Country - This is my personel favorite movie. This is quite possibly the best TOS-TNG tie in ever done. It shows the start of a federation Klignon peace treaty that is the basis for their relationship in TNG. Its also a bit of a mystery movie, a who-dun-it. Its not your usual Star Trek, its ending is quite possibly the best Trek battle shown on the silver screen.
ST VII : Generations - This movie kind of feels forced. This was supposed to be the official tie in of TOS to TNG by having members of both crews in it. In the end, its a rather forgettable enemy that does the impossible, kills Jim Kirk. This pretty much pissed off a whole lot fans, and thats why they are asking for this movie to be redone. Cause you know, that happens alot.
ST VIII: First Contact - The best of the TNG movies, this gives the Borg a much needed makeover in both appearance and determination. We find that they will stop at nothing to forward their goals. It also adds to the Star Trek history by finally showing us Earths first Warp powered flight.
ST IX : Insurrection - Im pretty sure this is the first Trek movie I left the theater in complete disgust. Instead of giving us an established well thought out enemy, we get som alien race we had previously never heard of and oh yeah, they can beat up on the flagship of the federation fleet pretty well too. This was hailed as a more human story for Trek, it flopped. It was boring, un-exciting and easily forgettable.
ST X : Nemesis - Once again, instead of dipping into established Trek cannon and giving us a memorable villan, we get stuck with Shinzon in the Technocolor dream coat. (if you dont get it, just look at his faggity ass outfit) In a movie that could have had an incredible impact on audiences by finally giving us a movie on the Romulans, we get this stinker. No established Romulans appeared, no Sela, no Tomalock, just shinzon and his could-have-been-cooler viceroy. *sigh* I had high hopes for this movie. In the end, its also easily forgettable, and even un-believable for Star Trek. Where does a slave and a bunch of slaves get the materials to build a ship thats bigger and more powerfull than any previous Romulan ship (which was established in TNG as freaking huge, and freaking powerfull), much less have a "perfect cloak", something no one else has ever had either.
That about wraps it up, any other questions ask away...
[quote]Enterprise - Once again with B/B firmly entrinched in Trek they continue their destruction of the Trek legacy. Most fans were split in wanting either:
1. Another show set in what would be the 24th century
2. A show based on Captain Sulu and the Excelsior
3. Skip further ahead to the future and show us the next Enterprise
Notice, no where in there was the option, destroy all cannon by jumping on the star wars bandwagon and making some kind of half assed prequel to Star Trek. The first 3 seasons were utterly forgettable, season 3 being the absolute worst. They tried to have a solid story arc that would last 1 year, but all they got was 3 or 4 episodes of any value and 22 episodes of pure stupidity. The Xindi were capable of tearing the enterprise a few new assholes and instead left it alive? sure they did, especially when they are hell bent on destroying the human species. That would have been like the Black Star not coming back and trying to finish off Sherridan and his ship.[/quote[
I think they have done an excellent job thus far, all seasons. There were a couple of bumps (Mainly the overdone love themes) but other then that, pretty good.
TOS cannon NEEDED to be shredded, because frankly, in MANY ways, we are more advanced then Kirk was! TOS can no longer be considered cannon, it's simply to dated. I know I'm the only person here that actually liked the temporal cold war, but oh well. I also really liked the Xindi arc. Oh well, we'll see where it goes. but it's been very good thus far, I simply fail to see why some people here hate it.
1. Oodles of badly reused plots from other trek series (esp TNG).
2. It took a mere 4 episodes for the holodeck to make its appearance, dashing hopes that holodeck-based plots were no more.
3. So many of the main characters who could be developed are no more than cardboard cutouts.
4. Voyager-vs-Borg syndrome.
Actually, I lied a little, when I was a kid (7-8 years old) I saw some TOS eps which I thought were cool, nothing I got hooked on (TV-shows werent that important to me back then, mostly playing outdoors with friends, tho I remember an ep with a Giant wormlike thingie eating starships and such quite well ;))
A few years after that I saw some (like 10-11) episodes of TNG and that's were I kinda fell in love with ST, I loved Picard and his crew, this was real SciFi.
However, still kinda young and full of life and the little fact that I had no way of getting episodes I'd missed already, it didn't get further than those few eps.
I caught Movies I, II and IV on a STmarathon on TV once, so those I've seen too (IV was hilarious :D).
In the following year (when I was all ready for the TV-universe) I saw Babylon 5 for the first time and that became THE show I followed, nothing could stand in my way when it aired, aaahh...sweet memories.
Now, with a thing called the Internet, dunno if you've heard about it, I can get everything I need (in ways that won't be mentioned here) to freshen up my ST knowledge and I guess I'm gonna go ahead and start off by watching TOS, only three seasons so what the heck, won't take that long (after all, I managed to get through 4 seasons of Andromeda in 3 weeks and 7 seasons of SG-1 in a couple of months)
Anyone noticed I got a lot of spare time yet?
Anyway, about Voyager and Enterprise.
Voyager wasn't ALL that bad, was it? I mean, some eps were really good if u ask me (they werent many but still).
Enterprise wasn't very good the first seasons, especially season 3 sucked IMO but this season have been slightly better and hopefully it will become somewhat decent in the future (again, I have to mention those cool Vulcan Cruisers, they seemed more stretched out than normal btw).
Now, to a question not really related to ST, what does 'cannon' mean(sorreh, English still isn't perfect)?
Oh, and can anyone just gimme a brief summary on which centuries the different series takes place in?
Thanks
[B](ie. anything in [i]Enterpise[/i] that is a direct contradiction of something established in an earlier Trek series[/B][/QUOTE]
So... all of it?