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JamboJambo Scriptkiddie
If you had to guess, which is what it will be, how many capital ships would you say the EA has at the end of Season 5?

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  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    Not a lot.

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  • JamboJambo Scriptkiddie
    Brilliant Biggles! Thanks for the answer [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]

    I was thinking about 1,000?
  • C_MonC_Mon A Genuine Sucker
    I guess 100!!!!!
  • JamboJambo Scriptkiddie
    Im going to assume one of you gave me this url :
    [url="http://www.b5tech.com/science/misc/fleetsize/earthfleetsize.html"]http://www.b5tech.com/science/misc/fleetsize/earthfleetsize.html[/url]


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  • whitestar90whitestar90 Elite Ranger
    I'll say 1.1 to the power of 3....

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  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    50,000 is a lot of ships. Clearly those numbers are not all used for capital ships, but instead are for all ships used by Earth Force. This would probably include fighters as well.
    However, they would need at a minimum 1,000 capital ships to be an effective force, so I would say that they would have at least this number, if not more.

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  • JamboJambo Scriptkiddie
    [quote]
    With a loss of 70% of the original 60,000, the Earth Alliance probably had a total of 18,000 ships. Of the 18,000 strong fleet of the Earth Alliance, at least half of these are support vessels for the fleet - cutting us down to 9,000 vessels. Of this figure, at least half are likely border patrol type vessels, corvettes etc. This gives us a fleet strength of some 4,500 large-scale capital vessels, ranging from small Light Cruisers to large scale Destroyers.

    As such Earth Alliance probably only has a viable combat fleet of 4,500 vessels, consisting of Destroyers, Carriers, Dreadnoughts, Battle Cruisers, Frigates, and Cruisers of varying sizes.
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    Agree! 4,500 sure seems high though!
  • It may be from some official figures, but I don't think you could build 50,000 ships. Just think of the massive rescorces required to build that many ships and the time taken to build just Omega class destroyer. The u.s the worlds only super power has a fleet of around 400 ships. With that they can effectivly protect their interests around the world. In b5 I think about 1000 ships sounds more right, but even that might be high. Notice that even in major battles like svered dreams the EA sends about 6 capships max. The times when you see masses of ships are in those huge once in a lifetime battles like into the fire. Look at all the ships in Mars in Endgame, to me it looks like sveral hundred ships, not thousands. Fleets of a thousand ships or more are very rare, and they do not usually gather at once.
  • What probaly makes the figures rise are fighters and non combat vessels. But that would still not add up to 50,000
  • David of MacDavid of Mac Elite Ranger Ca
    [quote]Originally posted by TheEXone:
    [b]Look at all the ships in Mars in Endgame, to me it looks like sveral hundred ships, not thousands. Fleets of a thousand ships or more are very rare, and they do not usually gather at once.

    [/b][/quote]

    It was about forty ships at Mars. The Battle of the Line was the only engagement with thousands of ships.
  • JamboJambo Scriptkiddie
    There are about 30 ships at mars on endgame, although there are quite a lot of ships at the battle in a call to arms (does it say in a crusade episode that 250 ships were lost?)..

    I agree though, i find it hard to believe that the EA has more than 1,000 capital ships, the cost would be far too great not only to build but maintain the fleet.. About 200 Omega's is what im thinking [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    When you include fighters, shuttles, tankers and other non-combat ships, the numbers will climb very fast.

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  • JackNJackN <font color=#99FF99>Lightwave Alien</font>
    The end of Season 5? Are we talking about when the humans are like the Vorlons with encounter suits and all?

    I'd say the count is zero by that time... [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]

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  • I think that JMS didn't give a damn about technical accuracy, so EA fleet size is completely up to what his mood was on the day he wrote whatever part of whatever episode. I mean, when people goes up to him and ask him these types of question, he just holds his hands apart and say "this many".

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  • David of MacDavid of Mac Elite Ranger Ca
    [quote]Originally posted by jambo_jimmy:
    [b]I agree though, i find it hard to believe that the EA has more than 1,000 capital ships, the cost would be far too great not only to build but maintain the fleet.. About 200 Omega's is what im thinking [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img][/b][/quote]

    Lets say two hundred Omegas, a hundred and fifty Novas, Three hundred Hyperions, and four hundred of those little Corvettes in ITB, and we have, um....

    200+150+300+400= 1,050.

    See?
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  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    [quote]Originally posted by TheSaint:
    [b]I think that JMS didn't give a damn about technical accuracy, so EA fleet size is completely up to what his mood was on the day he wrote whatever part of whatever episode. I mean, when people goes up to him and ask him these types of question, he just holds his hands apart and say "this many".[/b][/quote]

    Most of the figures and stuff he uses are done for dramatic effect, same as everything else he uses. The drama comes first.


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  • Falcon1Falcon1 Elite Ranger
    And what about the new Warlock??? How many of them have been built???

    I'd hazard I guess that no more than 10-20 had been constructed by the time of Crusade.

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  • JackNJackN <font color=#99FF99>Lightwave Alien</font>
    Especially considering whats at the heart of the Warlock...

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  • EternityEternity Elite Ranger
    I'd still say that 50,000 capital ships is wayyyyyy to many! Even for the EA!!!

    Lemme see I can see my way through to aroung 1,000.

    I mean come on! If an OCD is named after a ?Greek? god, HOW MANY ARE THERE???????????

    Not NEAR 1,000. IO'd go for the smaller number. I rekon that that 50,000 is all EA ships. Caps, transports, fighters, shuttles, liners etc.
  • David of MacDavid of Mac Elite Ranger Ca
    [quote]Originally posted by Eternity:
    [b]I'd still say that 50,000 capital ships is wayyyyyy to many! Even for the EA!!!

    Lemme see I can see my way through to aroung 1,000.

    I mean come on! If an OCD is named after a ?Greek? god, HOW MANY ARE THERE???????????

    Not NEAR 1,000. IO'd go for the smaller number. I rekon that that 50,000 is all EA ships. Caps, transports, fighters, shuttles, liners etc.[/b][/quote]

    [quote]From [url="http://www.b5tech.com"]B5 Tech Manual[/url], by way of jambo_jimmy
    [b]With a loss of 70% of the original 60,000, the Earth Alliance probably had a total of 18,000 ships. Of the 18,000 strong fleet of the Earth Alliance, at least half of these are support vessels for the fleet - cutting us down to 9,000 vessels. Of this figure, at least half are likely border patrol type vessels, corvettes etc. This gives us a fleet strength of some 4,500 large-scale capital vessels, ranging from small Light Cruisers to large scale Destroyers.

    As such Earth Alliance probably only has a viable combat fleet of 4,500 vessels, consisting of Destroyers, Carriers, Dreadnoughts, Battle Cruisers, Frigates, and Cruisers of varying sizes.[/b]
    [/quote]

    It's so [i]nice[/i] when people read the entirety of other people's posts.
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    Would the Olympus be classed as a capital ship?

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    NOWHERE NEAR THE LLORT POWER
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    Well, no. After all, the llort did manage to push the Narns out of the B5 game. They must be powerful.

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  • C_MonC_Mon A Genuine Sucker
    God Jul!
  • David of MacDavid of Mac Elite Ranger Ca
    [quote]Originally posted by Biggles:
    [b]Would the Olympus be classed as a capital ship?

    [/b][/quote]

    I would. I mean, they have enough firepower to take on, what, two dozen Minbari crusiers in ITB. I mean, just one (plus it's 'Furys) lasted nearly two minutes! I mean, jeez, two Hyperions and a Nova were wasted in less then thrity seconds by one ship in the battle with the Lexington!
  • MessiahMessiah Failed Experiment
    God Jul? Isnt it Påsk soon or something? hehe (Well, Im drunk anyway so...)

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  • That Olympus barely had enough firepower to take out a Minbari house fly. That scene was done to present the desperate nature of the war. A squadron of StarFury's and a corvette take on a sizable Minbari fleet. The Minbari were being generous. I wouldn't call the Olympus a capital ship. Its more of a patrol vessel...which is what a Corvette is. Designed for protecting convoys and scouting.
  • PJHPJH The Lovely Thing
    [quote]Originally posted by C_Mon:
    [b]God Jul![/b][/quote]

    Joulu meni jo. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/icons/icon6.gif[/img]

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  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    [quote]Originally posted by David of Mac:
    [b] I would. I mean, they have enough firepower to take on, what, two dozen Minbari crusiers in ITB. I mean, just one (plus it's 'Furys) lasted nearly two minutes! I mean, jeez, two Hyperions and a Nova were wasted in less then thrity seconds by one ship in the battle with the Lexington![/b][/quote]

    I think you might be confused as to what the Olympus is. The Olympus is technically a gunship. It's quite a small ship compared to things like Omegas.

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