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BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
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  • JackNJackN <font color=#99FF99>Lightwave Alien</font>
    I'd love to take that Catalina and land it on Bass Lake one day...

    :p

    That would be a riot! :D
  • shadow boxershadow boxer The Finger Painter & Master Ranter
    Catalinas ROCK
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    As I've told the IRCers, that Catalina also flies from a lake in the Sourthern Alps. They never land it on salt water, though, because the corosion risk is too great. I flew in that Catalina a few years ago. The blisters really make good viewing windows, which is hardly surprising given that was their intended purpose (as well as gun turrets). :)
  • FreejackFreejack Jake the Not-so-Wise
    A bit of a thread highjack --> What's everyone's favorite "old plane"? In otherwords a propeller driven craft more than 30 years old.

    Mine: Beechcraft Staggerwing, IMO one of the most beautiful bi-planes ever built.

    Jake
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    Consolidated Catalina all the way.
  • i like the DC-3 better. and is that a MiG-21!! I'll take that, and crash it into somthing.
  • AlaricAlaric Damn kids! Get off my island!
    [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Freejack [/i]
    [B]A bit of a thread highjack --> What's everyone's favorite "old plane"? In otherwords a propeller driven craft more than 30 years old.

    Mine: Beechcraft Staggerwing, IMO one of the most beautiful bi-planes ever built.

    Jake [/B][/QUOTE]

    too many to choose from but if i must then the Spitfire
  • FreejackFreejack Jake the Not-so-Wise
    Here's some info for those not familer with the Staggerwing:

    [url]http://www.oleyeller.com/staggerwing.htm[/url]
  • Ranger BrianRanger Brian The Anti-Scrooge
    [url=http://www.aerowebspace.co.uk/post/spit.jpg]My fav...[/url]
  • shadow boxershadow boxer The Finger Painter & Master Ranter
    Whats the red one mate ? It's a spitty no doubt but what sort ? It's not a Griffon powered one, the engine exhausts give that away, and the wings are still beutiful elipses, but it looks long, lean and mean. Is it a recce bird or something ?

    As far as my fave plane goes.. DeHavilland Mosquito, no doubt, no parallel...sexy as a Spitfire with TWO Merlins..:D

    ...and capable of scrapping with alot of aircraft AND ground targets AND shipping.

    One of the last variants , the FB XVIII, which did not see active duty, carried a Molins muzzle brake on a six pounder (57mm) gun with 25 rounds of ammo in an autoloader. A submarine's worst nightmare.

    There wasn't a single role that the Mosquito didn't end up in. They were even known to end up winning dogfights with ME-109's when on single terms. While it would have been hard to keep a 109 in the gunsights, that didn't matter... four 20mm Hispano cannons, and four .303 machine guns don't have to stay on target for long to turn your aircraft into metal confetti...

    Oh yeah... an a Mosquito was made chiefly out of timber by cabinet and chair makers...

    Spittys might be glamourous, Hurricanes may be tough but if you want a kite that does everything...

    ... fly a Mozzie. :D
  • Ranger BrianRanger Brian The Anti-Scrooge
    [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by shadow boxer [/i]
    [B]Whats the red one mate ? It's a spitty no doubt but what sort ? It's not a Griffon powered one, the engine exhausts give that away, and the wings are still beutiful elipses, but it looks long, lean and mean. Is it a recce bird or something ? [/B][/QUOTE]

    It's a fighter, a mark XVI (LF XVIe) with a Packard Merlin 266. I've always thought the Spit looked best with a "Malcolm Hood", the bubble canopy just doesn't look right to me.

    [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by shadow boxer [/i][b]
    As far as my fave plane goes.. DeHavilland Mosquito, no doubt, no parallel...sexy as a Spitfire with TWO Merlins..[/B][/QUOTE]


    Ah the good old Mossie. (Good choice). Haven't seen one of them fly since '96 (In fact I think that's the only time I've one in the air).

    I really do miss it (and the sound). :(
  • SpiritOneSpiritOne Magneto ABQ NM
    its got to be the north american P-51D Mustang. With a 16 cylinder Rolls Royce Merlin engine its one the baddes mother fuckers in the sky. The plane has so much torque that if your sitting on the runway at idle and you shove the throttle up to full, the engine will rip itself from its moorings.

    and, Ive flown one :D

    My dad is a private pilot and an aircraft mechanic, and hes friends with a guy named Sam Taber, who happens to be the only liscened p-51 mustang mechanic in a 300 mile radius of Oshkosh Wisconsin. For those you asking where? Oshkosh is by lake Winnebego is eastern wisconsin it is the home of the EAA (experimental aircraft association) of which I am a lifetime member. For two weeks at the end of July start of August every year they have their airshow. The EAA airshow is now the largest airshow in the states and the 2nd largest in the world, 2nd only the Paris arishow.

    Well, my dads buddy Sam had a couple of mustangs in for a checkup a few weeks before Oshkosh, and one of them was a 2 seat trainer (extreemly rare airplane to find).

    So he took me up in his checkout ride, and let me take the stick for a bit. :D
  • shadow boxershadow boxer The Finger Painter & Master Ranter
    you lucky, lucky, lucky, lucky, lucky, lucky, lucky, lucky, lucky, lucky, bastard... :)

    (Aren't you glad the Brits made you build such a nice bird, and then taught you how to build an engine that was worth spit to put into it ? :D)

    ~~~~~~~~~

    speaking of EAA birds

    this is the one I want, with perhaps a larger donk... there has to be a way arounf the 200lb weight restriction as far as the engine is concerned..

    [url]http://www.sonex-ltd.com/waiex.html[/url]

    Simple, all metal and rather cool... I just want more HP..:) I'd like to go to a water cooled turbo six but I cant get below 250lbs
  • FreejackFreejack Jake the Not-so-Wise
    Talking about sport planes, here's one of my favorites:

    [url]http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?aircraft_genericsearch=Sukhoi%20Su-26[/url]|Sukhoi%20Su-29|Sukhoi%20Su-31&aircraftsearch=
  • JackNJackN <font color=#99FF99>Lightwave Alien</font>
    Pretty much what's been stated here...

    P51 D
    DC-3
    Catalina
  • JackNJackN <font color=#99FF99>Lightwave Alien</font>
    Hmmmm.... $28,000 USD...


    Hummer or Xenos?

    :D
  • [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by shadow boxer [/i]
    [B]
    As far as my fave plane goes.. DeHavilland Mosquito, no doubt, no parallel...sexy as a Spitfire with TWO Merlins..:D
    [/B][/QUOTE]

    I love the Mosquito... Its a kick ass airplane.
  • shadow boxershadow boxer The Finger Painter & Master Ranter
    and I quote :

    ROLLS-ROYCE MERLIN ENGINE.

    TYPE- TWELVE CYLINDER 60 DEGREE UPRIGHT VEE LIQUID COOLED INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE.

    BORE x STROKE= 5.4in x 6in (137.3mm x 152.5mm) CAPACITY= 1,647 cu in (27 litres)

    That kinda shoots your credibility a bit Spirit-One..:)
  • TyvarTyvar Next best thing to a St. Bernard
    [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by shadow boxer [/i]
    [B]you lucky, lucky, lucky, lucky, lucky, lucky, lucky, lucky, lucky, lucky, bastard... :)

    (Aren't you glad the Brits made you build such a nice bird, and then taught you how to build an engine that was worth spit to put into it ? :D)
    [/B][/QUOTE]

    Psht P-51 production just distracted resources away from the Jug god damnit!

    gimmie a P-47 any day!

    Its not the prissy delicate little thing that a 51 was, and out gunned it, out dived it, and if she wasnt packing bombs or other external ordance she could climb with it and keep fairly close to it speed wise! plus the thing was impossible to knock out of the sky :D

    mmm big radial engine make me happy :)~
  • shadow boxershadow boxer The Finger Painter & Master Ranter
    Eh... Thundebolts... yick

    Very typical American approach... big, ugly, thirsty, brutish, flying tanks, gunned up into overkill territory and handles like a full laden Caddilac.

    The reason why they dive so well is because they are bricks with wings. The two things that saved them from the Japs was the fact that they did fall in a controlled fashion faster than the Zeros could and they could take some punishment.

    The Zero's could easily fly rings around the Thunderbolt and the only reason why P-47's werent falling out of the sky in flocks was that the Hayabusa's had pissy guns.

    The Germans also liked to dine on Thunderbolts.

    Woe betide you if you're a P-47 pilot at low altitude.

    The other factor was the P47's teeth. You can't argue with 6 or 8 .50 cals. When a poor AAF pilot managed to get a zero in his gunsight he did have a very good chance of clipping the wings off his target.

    I have no love for the P47. They should have been relegated to ground attack long before they did. Oh yeah... and if you pit P-51 against P-47 with equally skilled pilots, you P-47 is going down, a Mustang still had 6x.50 cals.

    The Jug was simply a big mistake that the US spent the rest of the war compensating for.
  • SpiritOneSpiritOne Magneto ABQ NM
    [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by shadow boxer [/i]
    [B]and I quote :

    ROLLS-ROYCE MERLIN ENGINE.

    TYPE- TWELVE CYLINDER 60 DEGREE UPRIGHT VEE LIQUID COOLED INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE.

    BORE x STROKE= 5.4in x 6in (137.3mm x 152.5mm) CAPACITY= 1,647 cu in (27 litres)

    That kinda shoots your credibility a bit Spirit-One..:) [/B][/QUOTE]

    i guess Im kind of confused how this shoots my credibility, all I said was its a kick ass engine. Im a tech head, not a gear head. My dads the mechanic, Im the tech. I dont know shit about what bore and stroke actually mean in an engine. anyways...

    It should be noted that same manufacturer that built and designed the P47 also designed the P51, Curtis. But the government used a little known law that kept curtis building the p47 and put north american factories to work on the p51.

    Another kick ass plane of ww2 has got to be the P38 lightning, the germans called her the fork tailed devil. They saw more action in the pacific though, and anyone from southeastern wisconsin who has been to Bong recreation park, knows its not named for the pipe but rather the pilot Richard Bong one the aces from ww2, a p38 pilot in the pacific.
  • SpiritOneSpiritOne Magneto ABQ NM
    [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyvar [/i]
    [B]

    gimmie a P-47 any day!


    mmm big radial engine make me happy :)~ [/B][/QUOTE]

    correct me if Im wrong but the p47 did not have a radial engine...
  • C_MonC_Mon A Genuine Sucker
    P-51!!! :)
  • Ranger BrianRanger Brian The Anti-Scrooge
    [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SpiritOne [/i]
    [B]correct me if Im wrong but the p47 did not have a radial engine... [/B][/QUOTE]

    Sorry matey, but you are incorrect in you previous statement. (ie you're wrong :D)

    [URL=http://www.aerowebspace.co.uk/images/props/dfl-2002_p47_01.jpg]Double Wasp Radial engine.[/URL]
  • SpiritOneSpiritOne Magneto ABQ NM
    oh my god...

    I think if my dad saw that he would shoot me. I was confusing p47 with p40 warhawk.
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    While you lot are at it, why don't you go through and identify all the old planes in those photos for me? Accurately, that is.
  • JackNJackN <font color=#99FF99>Lightwave Alien</font>
    [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SpiritOne [/i]
    [B]i guess Im kind of confused how this shoots my credibility, all I said was its a kick ass engine. Im a tech head, not a gear head. My dads the mechanic, Im the tech. I dont know shit about what bore and stroke actually mean in an engine. anyways...[/B][/QUOTE]

    He's just pissy because you said a 16 cylinder engine rather tha 12 ...

    :rolleyes:
  • shadow boxershadow boxer The Finger Painter & Master Ranter
    pic 5 is a skyraider I believe, thats Korean war vintage ground attack plane

    the jet in the last pic is a 'Fishbed' MIG

    cant help you with the others mate, sorry..:)
  • SpiritOneSpiritOne Magneto ABQ NM
    well, again sorry, i dont know shit about engines, but heres why i got confused. look at the model number [URL=http://www.onmarkint.com/eagles/merlin/]V-1650-9[/URL] .

    Its still freaky fast, especially with all the post war mods like no reinforced armor around the pilot, the loss of the .50 cals and ammo, make it immensly faster.
  • Ranger BrianRanger Brian The Anti-Scrooge
    [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Biggles [/i]
    [B]While you lot are at it, why don't you go through and identify all the old planes in those photos for me? Accurately, that is. [/B][/QUOTE]

    #5 is not a Skyraider, it's a T-28 Troj a n
    #6 is a de Havilland Chipmunk, and a P-51D
    #7 is a Hawker Fury

    The last picture is indeed a MiG-21MF Fishbed

    [edit]What the hell, this post is screwed....

    Trying to type Trojan, just get a load of ***'s[/edit]
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