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ITF Models Used in LotR

Rick asked me to post this since he's been
busy and unable to visit the site lately.
JMS responded to one moderated newsgroup
poster with this text. The quoted material
was written by the original poster and the
text following it was written by JMS:

>The wheel had already been invented and perfected in Lightwave. *Use* the
>wheel. If necessary, tweak it some more, but *don't* go to different
>software. To change to Maya is to incur additional work and expense, and
>leave yourself open to the possibility of errors and inconsistancies. This
>kind of thing really pisses me off. The change makes no sense. There are
>times to be conservative, and this was one of them.

Understand, however, that we did not *have* that software, or those images. WB
had literally lost all the CGI archives we gave them every season. All we were
able to get, at the very last moment, was a copy of the ship files we had
given Sierra for the B5 game. That's it.

Comments

  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    I'm really amazed at the level of control WB seems to have over their assets. Rats eating the film, losing all the CGI data, it's incredible!

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  • Awww Bum,
    Thats Typical....

    There is one thing to look foreward to though...
    In say 10-20 yrs time some unsupecting 'tramp' will be rooting through WB's Dumpster and find these files....
    [i]What a find eh?[/i]

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  • Actually, someone should make a game about this story [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img] *hint hint* [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]

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  • Falcon1Falcon1 Elite Ranger
    Well this goes to show how good their assets management is... oh yes manage the big stuff. We'll probably be told next that all the sets from B5 were eaten by Gophers or something. They couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery!

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  • RigsRigs Earthforce Officer
    You mean to tell me that everything is GONE? (Well, not everything, obviously, Sierra still plays with the game code apparently. It's a conspiracy, Sierra realized how good this game was and kept it for themselves!! That's it! Do I get a puppy?) Where was JMS when all this was going on? Isn't there ramifications for loosing intellectual property? I should be a lawyer...

    =-Rigs-=

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  • Entil'ZhaEntil'Zha I see famous people
    [quote]Originally posted by Falcon1:
    [b]Well this goes to show how good their assets management is... oh yes manage the big stuff. We'll probably be told next that all the sets from B5 were eaten by Gophers or something. They couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery!

    [/b][/quote]

    Eaten by Pak'ma'ra
  • JackNJackN <font color=#99FF99>Lightwave Alien</font>
    [quote]Originally posted by Falcon1:
    [b]Well this goes to show how good their assets management is... oh yes manage the big stuff. We'll probably be told next that all the sets from B5 were eaten by Gophers or something. They couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery!
    [/b][/quote]

    Actually, we were scrambling to get the video done on the existing sets way back before the game was moved to Seattle, because many of the sets were already torn down at that time already.

    [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/frown.gif[/img]
  • Falcon1Falcon1 Elite Ranger
    Well I do remember that the sets were packed away safely and pu into storage at the end, well that was what was reported in the B5 mag anyway. If I had the keys to the store room I'd be running over there right now to make sure the Pak'ma'ra don't get to it first... I'm those cd's and film would have just been a light snack! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]

    Seriously though, if I was JMS I would be furious with WB. After all his work and effort for it to be lost that way, geez I'd flip.

    JackN, you did manage to get the video footage done before the sets went down didn't you?

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  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    Sets = gone. Gone gone gone.

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  • RandyRandy Master Storyteller
    We completed our video shoot before the sets we needed were "deconstructed". It was a close call though.

    The Deconstruction of Falling Sets...

    [This message has been edited by Randy (edited 01-23-2002).]
  • FreejackFreejack Jake the Not-so-Wise
    Wouldn't the digital art house that rendered the CGI still have the ship files and different shots?
  • WORFWORF The Burninator
    They went bankrupt, so they dont have anything.

    Worf

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  • JackNJackN <font color=#99FF99>Lightwave Alien</font>
    As Randy stated, we did get done what we needed. Problem is, Sierra still owns it, and I think they are even worse at asset management than WB is...

    [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/frown.gif[/img]
  • In that case, they probably wouldn't even realize if something goes missing...

    Hmm... [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]

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  • RandyRandy Master Storyteller
    Likely true. But they may notice something if it shows up.
  • Vertigo1Vertigo1 Official Fuzzy Dice of FirstOnes.com
    [quote]Originally posted by Randy:
    [b]Likely true. But they may notice something if it shows up. [/b][/quote]

    Aye, but its been so long so you could just say that you re-did it and it just happened to be the exact length and file size. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/tongue.gif[/img]

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  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    They wouldn't buy that because there are no sets to redo it on, unfortunately.

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    The Balance provides. The Balance protects.

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  • Falcon1Falcon1 Elite Ranger
    I'd say another covert ops mission to evil ShadowSierra HQ is required... now if only I couold get that Holo Suit toy, I could pretend to be evil Sierra boss, get into the vault, or box, and retrieve the disks. And before resigning, I would release all Sierra control over the IP of ITF. Heeee! Sounds like a plan! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]

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    [This message has been edited by Falcon1 (edited 01-24-2002).]
  • TyvarTyvar Next best thing to a St. Bernard
    Where are the sierra headquarters these days, and the location where the "material" is stored? I think I can round up a support team in place if its still in the seattle area [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    Somewhere in the desert. Look for signs saying "Area 52".

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    Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
    The Balance provides. The Balance protects.

    "Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
  • RigsRigs Earthforce Officer
    No no, Area 42, Level 84, Room 17...or was it Room 101?...hmmm...

    =-Rigs-=

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    - John Sheridan, Babylon 5
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    Just work your way systematically down the identical looking corridors and rooms.

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    [b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
    Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
    The Balance provides. The Balance protects.

    "Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
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