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Hydrocooling computers
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Has anyone got a hydrocooling rig on thier machine or know someone with one ?
I'm working on a project related to this field and I'm just looking for some background
I'm working on a project related to this field and I'm just looking for some background
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ive been buying way too many dvds recently. ive got all the star gate boxsets now, and ive now started on ds9:)
[B]Well, gee. Everyone's got heatsinks these days. :D [/B][/QUOTE]
Not me :p
Anyway, as far as I know heatsink is not a hydrocooler, but it is a nice little contraption anyways...
If you dont have a heatsink in your computer, it probably was not built in this century.
Personally, Im not ready to mix water and my computer, it just seems like your asking for trouble. I know, Ive read plenty of outstanding reviews on hydro-cooling units that dont leak, but its the whole idea that just scares me.
However, I do need to buy some new fans for my computer. Its too loud. But then 4 80mm case fans and 1 80mm cpu fan all by thermaltake can get quite loud. In fact, the quietest fans in my computer are inside my new Enermax 600W Power supply, its one of those Noisetaker power supplies and its ultra quiet. The fans are quick, just quiet, and they keep running even though the computer is shut down to cool down the power supply components to a safe temperature.
One thing I am interested in is a di-electric cpu cooler from Thermaltake, it uses a DC plate between the cpu and the heatsink to pull more heat away from your processor. The downside, it requires a card that goes in your pci slot to provide the power for the DC plate. If you dont know what your doing and install it backwards, the DC plate is funneling heat twords your processor. And if it just quits working altogether, the DC plate isnt much of a heat transfer and can hold heat on your processor. maybe im not interested in it afterall :eek:
[B]Personally, Im not ready to mix water and my computer, it just seems like your asking for trouble. I know, Ive read plenty of outstanding reviews on hydro-cooling units that dont leak, but its the whole idea that just scares me.[/B][/QUOTE]
And it really doesn't solve heat problem, it just transfers it to your room's air more efficiently. (which is not good when outside temperature is over 30 C)
Components makers should try get more calculating power with other ways than increasing "heating power".
[QUOTE][B]One thing I am interested in is a di-electric cpu cooler from Thermaltake, it uses a DC plate between the cpu and the heatsink to pull more heat away from your processor.[/B][/QUOTE]
You mean peltier?
Big downside of those is that their efficiency is low which means that they require pretty much power to cool processor. (which also means more heat)
But isn't this the ultimate cooling solution?
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[B]been thinking about it, but since i have no cash at the moment......:rolleyes:
ive been buying way too many dvds recently. ive got all the star gate boxsets now, and ive now started on ds9:) [/B][/QUOTE]
That's not way too many DVDs! You do not know the true meaning of way too many DVDs. :)
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SpiritOne [/i]
[B]Personally, Im not ready to mix water and my computer, it just seems like your asking for trouble. I know, Ive read plenty of outstanding reviews on hydro-cooling units that dont leak, but its the whole idea that just scares me.[/B][/QUOTE]
I'm in the same boat. I know it's very safe, and that since you use distilled water even a leak isn't likely to cause a problem. I'm just too paranoid to consider putting water inside my case. Maybe when I'm rich and can afford a new computer from a day's salary.
As for your links, Ive got a lot about to say about that.
Read only if your interested:
My profession is that of a Field Engineer for MRI scanners (Magnetic Resonance Imaging), they use very large superconducting magnets to create a magnetic field, when a person enters the bore (center) of the magnet to be scanned, the strong magnetic field (around 1 to 1.5 Tesla or 20,000-30,000 times the magnetic pull of the earth) forces all of the hydrogen atoms in the body to sping on an axis. The magnetic lines of flux that wrap around the magnet are what cause the atoms to spin, and the computer reads the calibration files to see how tight the lines are, it can then extrapolate from patient information (mostly weight) the speed at which the atoms are spinning. Now that the computer knows how fast they are spinning it shoots a RF signal into the body, the massive RF field created causes the atoms to tumble momentarily, the signal is then reflected off of the atoms and back onto specific recievers either placed on the patient, or the main one in the bore of the magnet. The computer then compiles the reflected information and creates an image based on the density of atoms refelcted onto the recievers. So basically an MRI is scanning at the molecular level. So, if your not bored to tears, your wondering...
what the hell does all this has to do with cooling a computer with LN2. LN2 is really not that stable. Early MRI magnets were cooled with liquid nitrogen, but they had a tendancy to drift, causing massive image problems. The computer would read the shim file but the actual lines of flux have drifted so far, the computer had no centerpoint with which to measure. Also, LN2 is relatively warm in reference to other supercooled gasses. At roughly 30 degrees Kelvin its one of the warmest supercolled gas. After a few years, most major manufactures began creating magnets with dual chambers, 1 chamber of LN2 on the outer cylinder and 1 inner chamber filled with LHe (liquid Helium). LHe being much colder at 4 degrees Kelvin is much more stable, and it holds a magnet at a much more stable pressure, and is less prone to boil off. Current day magnets use only Lhe and are incredibly stable, drifting on a well placed magnet is so low, that calibration scans are required only 5-6 times a year, as opposed to in the past with 12-15 times.
Basically if your going to go with cyrogenic cooling on a computer, go Lhe. Yeah, its more expensive, but its better.
I also just realized I just wrote all that, and its probably not going to make a lot a sense to most people, but I dont feel like deleting it, so blah! :D
[B]Basically if your going to go with cyrogenic cooling on a computer, go Lhe. Yeah, its more expensive, but its better.[/B][/QUOTE]It's not likely going to happen, because LN2 is expensive, too. One 10-liter canister of the stuff costs about 150 euros (~ $180) for a normal consumer up here in Finland, and LN2 doesn't last long when cooling computers.
[B]That's not way too many DVDs! You do not know the true meaning of way too many DVDs. :) [/B][/QUOTE]
maybe not, but my bank balance currently knows the meaning of too many DVD's:rolleyes:
What I'm working on is a similar but better idea to the Zalman Reserator system.
I like the Reserator but its 'clunky and chunky', I've got a better idea.
As far as the 'MRI studies 101', bring it on... it sounds really cool... (pardon the awful pun).
[B]a heatsink is the medium through which heat is transfered from the heat creating device (ie, processor, ram, video card processor) to a cooler medium (ie, air via a fan or water via hydro cooling).
If you dont have a heatsink in your computer, it probably was not built in this century.
Personally, Im not ready to mix water and my computer, it just seems like your asking for trouble. I know, Ive read plenty of outstanding reviews on hydro-cooling units that dont leak, but its the whole idea that just scares me.
However, I do need to buy some new fans for my computer. Its too loud. But then 4 80mm case fans and 1 80mm cpu fan all by thermaltake can get quite loud. In fact, the quietest fans in my computer are inside my new Enermax 600W Power supply, its one of those Noisetaker power supplies and its ultra quiet. The fans are quick, just quiet, and they keep running even though the computer is shut down to cool down the power supply components to a safe temperature.
One thing I am interested in is a di-electric cpu cooler from Thermaltake, it uses a DC plate between the cpu and the heatsink to pull more heat away from your processor. The downside, it requires a card that goes in your pci slot to provide the power for the DC plate. If you dont know what your doing and install it backwards, the DC plate is funneling heat twords your processor. And if it just quits working altogether, the DC plate isnt much of a heat transfer and can hold heat on your processor. maybe im not interested in it afterall :eek: [/B][/QUOTE]
Pfeh! Its called Heatsink something, as I stated in the original sentence, above. Some for of liquid cooler anyways...
[B]As far as the 'MRI studies 101', bring it on... it sounds really cool... (pardon the awful pun). [/B][/QUOTE]
I have killed for less.
At a buck a litre I'd buy some just to screw around with it..:)
but feel free to come here and Ill get us a few liters to put small animals into :D
just your typical 'juvey' stuff
maybe supercool a portion of my beard and see if I can snap it..:D
[B]lol, I wouldnt want to be responsible for shipping a cylinder of cryogens overseas no.
but feel free to come here and Ill get us a few liters to put small animals into :D [/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah, can I get some LO2 or better yet LH??!!! pleeeaaasseeeee? ;)
[B]Yeah, can I get some LO2 or better yet LH??!!! pleeeaaasseeeee? ;) [/B][/QUOTE]
Not both?:D
Well, even LOX would be nice.
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