They also should have addded a "to be continued" or something to the end, before the P.J. credit comes up.... several people I talked to had no idea it was a trilogy.
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
Several people you talked to need to get out from under their stones then. It's been all over everything that there are three of them. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
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Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
THe "To be continued..." thing is something I've heard of a bit. Some people I know were wondering what would happen, and why the ending was "so damn open" [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
The length is fine. I really liked it, as I was able to get very involved with the story. The longer the time between the opening and closing credits, the more time for the story to sink in.
Also, having two hour movies might have made ending each film a bit too complicated for the casual viewer.
I also get the feeling the studio wouldn't want to sign on for six movies... I know the cost wouldn't be much different in the end, but in the mind of the execs that would seem like a huge risk. Doing all three at the same time was big enough of a leap of faith for them no doubt. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
[quote]Originally posted by JohnD:
[b] I have a feeling that this movie will be the ONE DVD I have to buy above and beyond all others, next year.[/b][/quote]
I was a little disappointed...they "actioned past" much of the story...it's good in it's own right, though...
(d[b]u[/b]cks from the inevitable barrage...)
(Thanks b [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img] )
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Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
I suspect that 'i' should be a 'u'. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
They did skip parts of the story, but the way that Tolkein wrote, to put that in the movie directly would put the audience to sleep.
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Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
[quote]Originally posted by Biggles:
[b]My guess (which I made walking out of the theatre) is that New Line said "It must be under three hours". So Peter Jackson made the film he wanted to make, then had to cut it down to length.[/b][/quote]
I read from a Salon.com article that Jackson originally planned two movies and had a deal with Miramax who wanted only one movie. Therefore Jackson moved to New Line Cinema, whose boss suggested that Jackson makes three movies since that's the number of the volumes. So, FYI, don't go blaming New Line. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
The movie was the best adventure film I remember ever seeing. There were few trivial things I think were a bit unstylish etc. (like the battle between Gandalf and Saruman, and I was actually a tiny pit disappointed of the Balrog), but none of them harmed to whole.
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Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
I'm well aware of that information, and I'm not blaming New Line for anything. It is very likely that they did place a limit of 3 hours on each movie, as after that it's starting to get far too long for most people. I see nothing wrong with that.
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Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
Considering I was beginning to get just a bit uncomfortable in my seat just a bit before the credits, I see there to be good reason to go no longer.
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
I was fortunate enough to be seeing it in the nice flash cinema, which means really comfortable seats with head rests and lots of leg room.
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Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
Personally, I think it's ridiculous to expect the movie to completely follow the novels. That rarely happens in Hollywood. Very rare. Despite any changes that were made from the novels, I thought that "Lords of the Rings" was a superb movie. Period. It should easily win Best Picture of 2001.
Here Here!!! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
It's ridiculous to expect a movie to follow the novel perfectly, but it isn't ridiculous to expect it to stick to the novel and not introduce new material or change the story or ideas presented in the novel. Few movies manage this. LotR is the best example of how to do it yet.
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
[quote]Originally posted by Biggles:
[b]It's ridiculous to expect a movie to follow the novel perfectly, but it isn't ridiculous to expect it to stick to the novel and not introduce new material or change the story or ideas presented in the novel. Few movies manage this. LotR is the best example of how to do it yet.
[/b][/quote]
Listen, if changing the story a bit or introducing new material will help the movie, I say do it.
I am *very* much looking forward to the director's cut of the movies on DVD!
The word is that Jackson will present them in their full uncut versions
(the way he would have shown them at the theater in the first place
if the studio would have let him have that much time) when they are
released on home video. This may well put the movies at well over 4 hours each.
IIRC, Jackson wanted 4 1/2 hours per movie, and shot them that way,
but the studio made him keep the theatrical release to 3 hours. So we
could be seeing three 4 1/2 hour movies on DVD.
Woohoo! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img] I love it! There is no such thing as too long a Tolkien
movie when it's done as well as jackson has done it. The more the merrier.
[quote]Originally posted by Biggles:
[b]Several people you talked to need to get out from under their stones then. It's been all over everything that there are three of them. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
[/b][/quote]
Plastered all over, if you were looking into it you mean... the majority of people just saw the TV spots and newest trailer, which don't mention that it is a trilogy. And the people I have met personally aren't stupid or closeted people, they just don't read any more into their movie backgrounds than if Ebert gave it a good number of stars [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
We all know that it's three volumes, six books, all about PK etc., but we are not average people (for the most part, no names [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]). We are the ones who have fun looking into and reading all this stuff on the net, and we are the exception, not the rule.
And besides, how could it have hurt to add the 5 seconds (what, 150 frames??) of "Next Christmas: The Two Towers" ? [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
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Just saw the film last night, for the second time! Boy does it rock! I watched it back home in my local cinema, and we had an intermission, which was a bit annoying, I think they had to change the film reels over, something to do with not having gun reel projectors or something (not sure really, its a small cinema). Last nights show had no intermission, which was good. There were 4 showing last night, and 3 were booked solid. The one I went to was pretty full though. In my home cinema they had the 3 screens showing it and both sold out, and its been on for 2 weeks.
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
The length is fine. I really liked it, as I was able to get very involved with the story. The longer the time between the opening and closing credits, the more time for the story to sink in.
Also, having two hour movies might have made ending each film a bit too complicated for the casual viewer.
[b] I have a feeling that this movie will be the ONE DVD I have to buy above and beyond all others, next year.[/b][/quote]
I was a little disappointed...they "actioned past" much of the story...it's good in it's own right, though...
(d[b]u[/b]cks from the inevitable barrage...)
(Thanks b [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img] )
-R.
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[This message has been edited by Rick (edited 12-31-2001).]
[This message has been edited by Rick (edited 12-31-2001).]
They did skip parts of the story, but the way that Tolkein wrote, to put that in the movie directly would put the audience to sleep.
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
[b]My guess (which I made walking out of the theatre) is that New Line said "It must be under three hours". So Peter Jackson made the film he wanted to make, then had to cut it down to length.[/b][/quote]
I read from a Salon.com article that Jackson originally planned two movies and had a deal with Miramax who wanted only one movie. Therefore Jackson moved to New Line Cinema, whose boss suggested that Jackson makes three movies since that's the number of the volumes. So, FYI, don't go blaming New Line. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
The movie was the best adventure film I remember ever seeing. There were few trivial things I think were a bit unstylish etc. (like the battle between Gandalf and Saruman, and I was actually a tiny pit disappointed of the Balrog), but none of them harmed to whole.
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
At least when it's not a comfy leather computer chair.
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
[b]It's ridiculous to expect a movie to follow the novel perfectly, but it isn't ridiculous to expect it to stick to the novel and not introduce new material or change the story or ideas presented in the novel. Few movies manage this. LotR is the best example of how to do it yet.
[/b][/quote]
Listen, if changing the story a bit or introducing new material will help the movie, I say do it.
The word is that Jackson will present them in their full uncut versions
(the way he would have shown them at the theater in the first place
if the studio would have let him have that much time) when they are
released on home video. This may well put the movies at well over 4 hours each.
IIRC, Jackson wanted 4 1/2 hours per movie, and shot them that way,
but the studio made him keep the theatrical release to 3 hours. So we
could be seeing three 4 1/2 hour movies on DVD.
Woohoo! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img] I love it! There is no such thing as too long a Tolkien
movie when it's done as well as jackson has done it. The more the merrier.
[b]Several people you talked to need to get out from under their stones then. It's been all over everything that there are three of them. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
[/b][/quote]
Plastered all over, if you were looking into it you mean... the majority of people just saw the TV spots and newest trailer, which don't mention that it is a trilogy. And the people I have met personally aren't stupid or closeted people, they just don't read any more into their movie backgrounds than if Ebert gave it a good number of stars [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
We all know that it's three volumes, six books, all about PK etc., but we are not average people (for the most part, no names [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]). We are the ones who have fun looking into and reading all this stuff on the net, and we are the exception, not the rule.
And besides, how could it have hurt to add the 5 seconds (what, 150 frames??) of "Next Christmas: The Two Towers" ? [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
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One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them.
One ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them.
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'The future is all around us' G'kar
'I have no surviving enemies! None what so ever!' Galen
Visit my B5 site at: [url="http://www.nialb5.com"]B5 site[/url].