Just to annoy the marine, Id like to point out that the largest amphibious operation ever conducted by US military forces was done with out any marine ground elements ;)
lastly frequency hopping raidos CAN be jammed, if you opponent is jamming every frequency availible to the make of raido you have you can jam all the frequencies at once, although of course it takes more juice to do this. or just doing barrage jamming, which is just kicking out large chunks of EM interfrearence across the entire spectrum, of course this makes all radios useless.
of course, however the kind of power required to do that, and the sheer size of of generator required, any idiot with a DF antenna could find him in minutes and take it out.
and what operation was that, beacuse if you try to tellme that no marine forces participated in d day your wrong.
and it was the marines that kept our island hopping campaign going in the pacific.
What marines were present in the actual landing elements at Normandy? I know the Battlewagons and CAs doing shore bombardment had their complements on board, but none were landed according to any of the information Ive ever seen.
As for finding jammers, yes it is fairly easy, and yes they get blown up fairly early in things due to their aggrivation factor.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyvar [/i]
[B]As for finding jammers, yes it is fairly easy, and yes they get blown up fairly early in things due to their aggrivation factor. [/B][/QUOTE]
It's same like searching murderer in dark with flashlight.
In war it attracts artillery shells or missiles.
But jamming from airborne jammer aircraft, that's much more harder to stop.
EDIT: Are you using same avatar or is it some bug causing it to me?
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SpiritOne [/i]
[B]The Germans nicknamed the marine Teufel Hund (sp) or Devil Dog in WWII for the fierceness with which they faught. [/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SpiritOne [/i]
[B]nope weve got the same avatar,
yes, marines did land at normandy. [/B][/QUOTE]
Could you find out what units and in what capacity?
Ive done fairly extensive reading, and other then working on mine clearing duty, I can not find a single mention of marines being present in Normandy in any kind of combat capacity, Id be interested to read about this if you could tell me where to look.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SpiritOne [/i]
[B]Oh good lord know. I know you just meant in general, but not the same and please dont compare, very different missions.
[/B][/QUOTE]
Nope wasn't comparing in that way at all, but glad you udnerstood, though it was a reply to Vert. :)
Btw I really like your banner, prefer the colours to the other one. But thats just my opinion. :)
it was time for a new sig, sure ill get you unit assignments and such. But you do also have to understand that a majority of the Marines in WW2 served in the Pacific theater, so Marine involvement was light.
Yeah, I know, still most of the fighting in the pacific was still done by the US army, the drive up papa new guinea assaults on the philipines in 44 and 45. The problem is there were only 6 marine divisions, versus about 30 some odd Army divisions in theater. In fact if you look at Guadalcanal, if it wasnt for the arrivial of two army infantry regiments to reinforce the position held by the 1st MAR DIV they would have been knocked off the Island.
As you said earlier, the Corps just isnt that big and the army still has to do alot of the fighting. Especially since the number of artillery units and engineering units the army possess dwarfs marine resources by a factor of like 20.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SpiritOne [/i]
[B]of course, however the kind of power required to do that, and the sheer size of of generator required, any idiot with a DF antenna could find him in minutes and take it out.[/B][/QUOTE]
Shit, someone with a volt meter could find the general vicinity of where one is just by the sheer load alone.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyvar [/i]
[B]Yeah, I know, still most of the fighting in the pacific was still done by the US army, the drive up papa new guinea assaults on the philipines in 44 and 45. The problem is there were only 6 marine divisions, versus about 30 some odd Army divisions in theater. In fact if you look at Guadalcanal, if it wasnt for the arrivial of two army infantry regiments to reinforce the position held by the 1st MAR DIV they would have been knocked off the Island.
As you said earlier, the Corps just isnt that big and the army still has to do alot of the fighting. Especially since the number of artillery units and engineering units the army possess dwarfs marine resources by a factor of like 20. [/B][/QUOTE]
True but the Marines made the important landings that cut off the Japanese supply lines, Marcus I.S., The Marianas, Palua I.S, They also were first on the beach in both Iwo & Okinawa. So in the pacific they were the "Arrowhead". If Mcarther had his way tho they'd be all army divisions.
The Marines may or may not be trained better but they do have the advantage of constant combat air support in the form of harriers. & what could be better than a couple 16 inch guns off the coast ? :)
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyvar [/i]
[B]Especially since the number of artillery units and engineering units the army possess dwarfs marine resources by a factor of like 20. [/B][/QUOTE]
I guess that's because MC is meaned to be more lighter equipped for faster transportation.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by The Cabl3 Guy [/i]
[B]& what could be better than a couple 16 inch guns off the coast ? :) [/B][/QUOTE]
Well, exactly nine per ship.
(with over thousand 1900 lb HE shells)
Well, Army has their helicopters. And at point where army goes to put their spoon to soap, isn't there's heavy air support from bombers and tactical fighters. Plus CAS from ground attack fighters.
BTW, Close air support (CAS) is official term for it.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by E.T [/i]
[B]I guess that's because MC is meaned to be more lighter equipped for faster transportation.
Well, exactly nine per ship.
(with over thousand 1900 lb HE shells)
[/B][/QUOTE]
Problem is the battleships are gone :(
[QUOTE][B]
Well, Army has their helicopters. And at point where army goes to put their spoon to soap, isn't there's heavy air support from bombers and tactical fighters. Plus CAS from ground attack fighters.
BTW, Close air support (CAS) is official term for it. [/B][/QUOTE]
Actually when the army has a main point of contact its all about the artillery BRIGADES. Yeah each division has its own organic artillery brigade of 54 self propelled howitzers and 18 MLRS launchers, but then with the number of extra artillery bde's the US army has, they can expect to have another 36 howitzers and 36 MLRS's assigned to support them.
Thats a heck of alot of artillery to be trying to dodge.
Heck during the battle of the buldge the main reason why the 101st wasnt over run was the fact that there were 72 8" inch howitzers firing in support of them ;)
No, all the Iowas have been withdrawn from active service, I believe two are in reserve status, the Missouri is a museum vessel, but this was all fairly recent.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Anla'Shok Douglas Nicol [/i]
[B]No, all the Iowas have been withdrawn from active service, I believe two are in reserve status, the Missouri is a museum vessel, but this was all fairly recent. [/B][/QUOTE]
[url]http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/bb-61.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/bb-61.htm[/url]
Well, now they have those 726-SSGNs in development which could easily replace Iowas as TLAM platfroms.
If you have ever read the book "We were soldiers, once and young", or seen the recent Mel Gibson film...
You can see just how accurate artillery can be. They are litterally dropping artillery 10 feet in front of their entrinched positions.
And yes, the Marine Corps does have Helicopter and Artillery units at their disposal as well, granted not as many as the Army.
The Marine Corps practically wrote the book on close air support.
Interesting story: In the first Gulf War the US Army's 82nd Airborn division was the first on the sceen. However, when their immediate supplies were exhausted(approx 10 days) they turned to the Marines on hand. You see, the US Marine Corps has a Naval detatchment of ships sitting in different parts of the world just waiting for somethng to happen. As soon as something occurs they roll up and they have enough supplies (beans, bullets & bandaids) to fight a sustaind combat for over 30 days. The 82nd had to rely on those supplies when the US Army failed to get the rest of its huge force mobilized.
LOL
[quote]B-52s are the ultimate close support weapon.[/quote][quote]Artillery is the god of war.
Stalin[/quote][quote]CANNON, n. An instrument employed in the rectification of national boundaries.
- Ambrose Bierce[/quote]
Somehow I like this cannon: [url=http://www.vce.com/AtomicGallery/movies/cannon.mov]Cannon video[/url]
If someone have space I would have very nice 9MB clip showing effects very clearly which I could upload easily.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SpiritOne [/i]
[B]You can see just how accurate artillery can be. They are litterally dropping artillery 10 feet in front of their entrinched positions.[/B][/QUOTE]
That accuracy requires very detailed data about air pressure, temperature, wind strenth and direction from different altitudes.
(of course range affects also)
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SpiritOne [/i]
[B]If
Interesting story: In the first Gulf War the US Army's 82nd Airborn division was the first on the sceen. However, when their immediate supplies were exhausted(approx 10 days) they turned to the Marines on hand. You see, the US Marine Corps has a Naval detatchment of ships sitting in different parts of the world just waiting for somethng to happen. As soon as something occurs they roll up and they have enough supplies (beans, bullets & bandaids) to fight a sustaind combat for over 30 days. The 82nd had to rely on those supplies when the US Army failed to get the rest of its huge force mobilized. [/B][/QUOTE]
Yes the marine supplies were used, but just because it was more efficent, you have to realize the 82nd showed up in september, and offense operations didnt actuall start for about 4 more months. There were no combat operations undertaken with those supplies.
and it was partialy the Navy's fault, the army has prepositioned ships loaded with tons of supplies and gear also, (plus the navy runs the sea lift command which is how those heavy divisions gotta move) And they had nothing planned to shift divisions from europe or CONUS to the middle east. They were firmly stuck into REFORGER mindset.
During GWII the marines once they got off the beach had to be serviced by army combat support services units, infact the unit Jessica Lynch was part of was part of that mission of supporting the marines during their drive.
Actually what it comes downto is the fact that the army hogs all the trucks.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SpiritOne [/i]
[B]I didnt know the Army had martime prepositioning ships as well.[/B][/QUOTE]
Actually those ships used for sealift belongs to Navy.
They have lot of nice small ships like these:
[url]http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/takr-300.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/tak-2049.htm[/url]
One of those big bases where ships are keeped is Diego Garcia in Indian ocean.
I think you'll find enough from them under sealift header:
[url]http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/index.html[/url]
They have lot of nice small ships like these:
[url]http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/takr-300.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/tak-2049.htm[/url]
One of those big bases where ships are keeped is Diego Garcia in Indian ocean.
I think you'll find enough from them under sealift header:
[url]http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/index.html[/url] [/B][/QUOTE]
Comments
lastly frequency hopping raidos CAN be jammed, if you opponent is jamming every frequency availible to the make of raido you have you can jam all the frequencies at once, although of course it takes more juice to do this. or just doing barrage jamming, which is just kicking out large chunks of EM interfrearence across the entire spectrum, of course this makes all radios useless.
and what operation was that, beacuse if you try to tellme that no marine forces participated in d day your wrong.
and it was the marines that kept our island hopping campaign going in the pacific.
As for finding jammers, yes it is fairly easy, and yes they get blown up fairly early in things due to their aggrivation factor.
[B]As for finding jammers, yes it is fairly easy, and yes they get blown up fairly early in things due to their aggrivation factor. [/B][/QUOTE]
It's same like searching murderer in dark with flashlight.
In war it attracts artillery shells or missiles.
But jamming from airborne jammer aircraft, that's much more harder to stop.
EDIT: Are you using same avatar or is it some bug causing it to me?
yes, marines did land at normandy.
[B]The Germans nicknamed the marine Teufel Hund (sp) or Devil Dog in WWII for the fierceness with which they faught. [/B][/QUOTE]
Actually, they got the nickname during WW1.
[url]http://www.usmcpress.com/heritage/marine_corps_mascot.htm[/url]
[B]nope weve got the same avatar,
yes, marines did land at normandy. [/B][/QUOTE]
Could you find out what units and in what capacity?
Ive done fairly extensive reading, and other then working on mine clearing duty, I can not find a single mention of marines being present in Normandy in any kind of combat capacity, Id be interested to read about this if you could tell me where to look.
[B]Oh good lord know. I know you just meant in general, but not the same and please dont compare, very different missions.
[/B][/QUOTE]
Nope wasn't comparing in that way at all, but glad you udnerstood, though it was a reply to Vert. :)
Btw I really like your banner, prefer the colours to the other one. But thats just my opinion. :)
As you said earlier, the Corps just isnt that big and the army still has to do alot of the fighting. Especially since the number of artillery units and engineering units the army possess dwarfs marine resources by a factor of like 20.
[B]of course, however the kind of power required to do that, and the sheer size of of generator required, any idiot with a DF antenna could find him in minutes and take it out.[/B][/QUOTE]
Shit, someone with a volt meter could find the general vicinity of where one is just by the sheer load alone.
[B]Yeah, I know, still most of the fighting in the pacific was still done by the US army, the drive up papa new guinea assaults on the philipines in 44 and 45. The problem is there were only 6 marine divisions, versus about 30 some odd Army divisions in theater. In fact if you look at Guadalcanal, if it wasnt for the arrivial of two army infantry regiments to reinforce the position held by the 1st MAR DIV they would have been knocked off the Island.
As you said earlier, the Corps just isnt that big and the army still has to do alot of the fighting. Especially since the number of artillery units and engineering units the army possess dwarfs marine resources by a factor of like 20. [/B][/QUOTE]
True but the Marines made the important landings that cut off the Japanese supply lines, Marcus I.S., The Marianas, Palua I.S, They also were first on the beach in both Iwo & Okinawa. So in the pacific they were the "Arrowhead". If Mcarther had his way tho they'd be all army divisions.
The Marines may or may not be trained better but they do have the advantage of constant combat air support in the form of harriers. & what could be better than a couple 16 inch guns off the coast ? :)
[B]Especially since the number of artillery units and engineering units the army possess dwarfs marine resources by a factor of like 20. [/B][/QUOTE]
I guess that's because MC is meaned to be more lighter equipped for faster transportation.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by The Cabl3 Guy [/i]
[B]& what could be better than a couple 16 inch guns off the coast ? :) [/B][/QUOTE]
Well, exactly nine per ship.
(with over thousand 1900 lb HE shells)
Well, Army has their helicopters. And at point where army goes to put their spoon to soap, isn't there's heavy air support from bombers and tactical fighters. Plus CAS from ground attack fighters.
BTW, Close air support (CAS) is official term for it.
[B]I guess that's because MC is meaned to be more lighter equipped for faster transportation.
Well, exactly nine per ship.
(with over thousand 1900 lb HE shells)
[/B][/QUOTE]
Problem is the battleships are gone :(
[QUOTE][B]
Well, Army has their helicopters. And at point where army goes to put their spoon to soap, isn't there's heavy air support from bombers and tactical fighters. Plus CAS from ground attack fighters.
BTW, Close air support (CAS) is official term for it. [/B][/QUOTE]
Actually when the army has a main point of contact its all about the artillery BRIGADES. Yeah each division has its own organic artillery brigade of 54 self propelled howitzers and 18 MLRS launchers, but then with the number of extra artillery bde's the US army has, they can expect to have another 36 howitzers and 36 MLRS's assigned to support them.
Thats a heck of alot of artillery to be trying to dodge.
Heck during the battle of the buldge the main reason why the 101st wasnt over run was the fact that there were 72 8" inch howitzers firing in support of them ;)
[B]No, all the Iowas have been withdrawn from active service, I believe two are in reserve status, the Missouri is a museum vessel, but this was all fairly recent. [/B][/QUOTE]
[url]http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/bb-61.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/bb-61.htm[/url]
Well, now they have those 726-SSGNs in development which could easily replace Iowas as TLAM platfroms.
[B]Thats a heck of alot of artillery to be trying to dodge.[/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah, real "steelrain".
Especially those MLRSs are nasty for "gropos" because they can use cluster munition warheads.
You can see just how accurate artillery can be. They are litterally dropping artillery 10 feet in front of their entrinched positions.
And yes, the Marine Corps does have Helicopter and Artillery units at their disposal as well, granted not as many as the Army.
The Marine Corps practically wrote the book on close air support.
Interesting story: In the first Gulf War the US Army's 82nd Airborn division was the first on the sceen. However, when their immediate supplies were exhausted(approx 10 days) they turned to the Marines on hand. You see, the US Marine Corps has a Naval detatchment of ships sitting in different parts of the world just waiting for somethng to happen. As soon as something occurs they roll up and they have enough supplies (beans, bullets & bandaids) to fight a sustaind combat for over 30 days. The 82nd had to rely on those supplies when the US Army failed to get the rest of its huge force mobilized.
that PLANE wrote the book on close air support.
[B]I'd prefer A-10 stories. :D
that PLANE wrote the book on close air support. [/B][/QUOTE]
You can't forget the WWII equivalents, the British Typhoon, the US P-47 (the original Thunderbolt), the Russian IL-2 Sturmovik and others.
[quote]B-52s are the ultimate close support weapon.[/quote][quote]Artillery is the god of war.
Stalin[/quote][quote]CANNON, n. An instrument employed in the rectification of national boundaries.
- Ambrose Bierce[/quote]
Somehow I like this cannon: [url=http://www.vce.com/AtomicGallery/movies/cannon.mov]Cannon video[/url]
If someone have space I would have very nice 9MB clip showing effects very clearly which I could upload easily.
[B]You can see just how accurate artillery can be. They are litterally dropping artillery 10 feet in front of their entrinched positions.[/B][/QUOTE]
That accuracy requires very detailed data about air pressure, temperature, wind strenth and direction from different altitudes.
(of course range affects also)
[B]If
Interesting story: In the first Gulf War the US Army's 82nd Airborn division was the first on the sceen. However, when their immediate supplies were exhausted(approx 10 days) they turned to the Marines on hand. You see, the US Marine Corps has a Naval detatchment of ships sitting in different parts of the world just waiting for somethng to happen. As soon as something occurs they roll up and they have enough supplies (beans, bullets & bandaids) to fight a sustaind combat for over 30 days. The 82nd had to rely on those supplies when the US Army failed to get the rest of its huge force mobilized. [/B][/QUOTE]
Yes the marine supplies were used, but just because it was more efficent, you have to realize the 82nd showed up in september, and offense operations didnt actuall start for about 4 more months. There were no combat operations undertaken with those supplies.
and it was partialy the Navy's fault, the army has prepositioned ships loaded with tons of supplies and gear also, (plus the navy runs the sea lift command which is how those heavy divisions gotta move) And they had nothing planned to shift divisions from europe or CONUS to the middle east. They were firmly stuck into REFORGER mindset.
During GWII the marines once they got off the beach had to be serviced by army combat support services units, infact the unit Jessica Lynch was part of was part of that mission of supporting the marines during their drive.
Actually what it comes downto is the fact that the army hogs all the trucks.
good to know.
[B]I didnt know the Army had martime prepositioning ships as well.[/B][/QUOTE]
Actually those ships used for sealift belongs to Navy.
[url]http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/sealift.htm[/url]
They have lot of nice small ships like these:
[url]http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/takr-300.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/tak-2049.htm[/url]
One of those big bases where ships are keeped is Diego Garcia in Indian ocean.
I think you'll find enough from them under sealift header:
[url]http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/index.html[/url]
[B]Actually those ships used for sealift belongs to Navy.
[url]http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/sealift.htm[/url]
They have lot of nice small ships like these:
[url]http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/takr-300.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/tak-2049.htm[/url]
One of those big bases where ships are keeped is Diego Garcia in Indian ocean.
I think you'll find enough from them under sealift header:
[url]http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/index.html[/url] [/B][/QUOTE]
another good source is this
[url]http://www.hazegray.org/worldnav/usa/aux_seal.htm[/url]
The Watson class army prepositiong ships look dead sexy for a sealift ship.
The navy of course runs all the prepositiong ships, for everybody.