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Gotta love the terrorists and their reasons
Lord Refa
Creepy, but in a good way
in Zocalo v2.0
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/03/17/france.threats/index.html[/url]
Basically, some bunch of muslims are threatening to start bombing in France or something because France decided not to play by their (muslims) rules in their own country. Boo-friggin'-hoo.
"Servants of Allah the Mighty and the Wise" allright. heh.
Honestly. I'm not a racist, but people like those make it damn easy to become one.
Basically, some bunch of muslims are threatening to start bombing in France or something because France decided not to play by their (muslims) rules in their own country. Boo-friggin'-hoo.
"Servants of Allah the Mighty and the Wise" allright. heh.
Honestly. I'm not a racist, but people like those make it damn easy to become one.
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Lord Refa [/i]
[B]some bunch of muslims[/B][/QUOTE]
Well, I wouldn't say them as muslims, only spineless bastards who use religion for excuse to slaughtering.
They are not interesting in protecting Arabic peoples (bombings in Ryiadh are a good example) only in exerting their influence over governments and people.
Jake
However, thinking any problems are going to get solved through bomb threats...that's just stupid. Now, even if there's a legal repeal of the bill, the government can't allow hijabs or it will look like they're giving in to the terrorists.
Stupid stupid stupid...
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[B]The government banned muslim girls from wearing hijabs in school if they wanted to? That's...not right. I really can't see how you can justify that under any constitution that includes freedom of religion... [/B][/QUOTE]
It's a point of contention.
The Muslims in question are living in, and are benefitting from a country that has made this law. Therefore, they should be obliged to follow it. However, it is part of their religion, and should have the freedom to do so as it's not exactly a major issue.
It's a socio-political example of the irresistable force meeting the immovable object. Both are right, and neither is wrong.
Regards,
Morden
(Regaurding Spain)
"It was an excellent political strategy. SOme political partys use television, other mass e-mail, or rallys, this group just went for the 'unleash hell on earth' strategy."
"So your saying this was done to tell Spain to pull out of the war on terror, and get a new government in place?"
"Yes, and it worked"
"So there will be no more attacks in Spain?"
"Yes...well..almost. They want spain back. Once they have Spain back, then the attacks in Spain will stop."
went on about how the only way the attacks will stop is when they control the world, starting with the whole eastern world. Basically, they want to re-write 2000+ years of history.
So, these middle-eastern terrorist/radical groups want control of the world they lost a LONG time ago...
now, as for the French no religions thing, I'm flat out against it. No, I'm not going "viva la nuke France" but I don't like it.
[B]The government banned muslim girls from wearing hijabs in school if they wanted to?
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They also banned that hat thing that Jewish men wear in schools.
Extreamist make me hate religion even more.
[B]They also banned that hat thing that Jewish men wear in schools.
Extreamist make me hate religion even more. [/B][/QUOTE]
By that tolken, you should hate the French, because THEY became extreamist.
AFAIK, this also bans Christain/Catholic churches from putting a cross on their buildings or signs.
it's a bloody stupid law, and I hope it fails soon.
Either way, never wanted to go to france. Just one more reason not to.
[B]AFAIK, this also bans Christain/Catholic churches from putting a cross on their buildings or signs. [/B][/QUOTE]
No, it doesn't. The law is entirely limited to [b]public[/b] schools. It bans any prominant displays of religion, including muslim head scarves, jewish skull cappy things, and large christian crosses (I assume that little loophole means small crosses around necks under clothing are fine). Personally, I think it's a bloody stupid law and the wrong way to deal with the problem they said was the reason for it (muslims who weren't wearing headscarves in schools were getting ganged up on, peer pressure among muslims, things like that). However, from what I hear coming out of the US quite often, I'm surprised they don't have a similar law already.
[B]im sorry but as i see it, if the french people decide that they want to enact a law saying that girls are banned from wearing those headscarfs in school, then that is well within their rights. now if it ever gets to the point where the muslims are the majority, then they can change the law, tho it wouldnt really be france any more then would it? [/B][/QUOTE]
On your last line I also think UK won't be UK in yrs to come. I don't have anything against different races but when they cause trouble in this country, slagging us off when they wanted to come here then I don't want them here. This place is getting worse. I'm lucky I live in Devon where so far its nice and quiet, but for how much longer?! Crime and violence is spreading here and alot of it is to do with immigrants, other cultures.
[B]On your last line I also think UK won't be UK in yrs to come. I don't have anything against different races but when they cause trouble in this country, slagging us off when they wanted to come here then I don't want them here. This place is getting worse. I'm lucky I live in Devon where so far its nice and quiet, but for how much longer?! Crime and violence is spreading here and alot of it is to do with immigrants, other cultures. [/B][/QUOTE]
As long as people live here, are productive members of society, and pledge alliegance to the one-nation-state, I don't care who the hell lives here.
If they don't accept the above, they can f*ck-off, simple as that.
I've never had serious problems with racism here in Bristol, but apparently it's rife on both sides up north.
Regards,
Morden
But...I just can't how laws (aspects of society) only by and for majorities is justifiable...In democracies they're generally not the ones that need their rights defended.
A country is its people. All of them. Not the first people there, or the largest group. And not the smallest groups either of course. All of them. Of course all citizens get the benefits of being citizens. And of course that includes the right to (lawfully) protest and change the country if one can. It also includes the right to protest against change I might note. One just need good reasons for either side. That's the way democracy works.
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[B]what hacks me off is when they choose to come here and claim all the benefits of living in our country, then they decide that some aspect of our society doesnt agree woth them and then they start complaining about it and demanding that something is done about it! if they dont like it, as far as im concerned, they can just f*ck off somewhere else!!! [/B][/QUOTE]
I agree with you. I mean they've left their own country cos they think the one they're going to is better, but then they complain about it!
I used to be on their side saying they and anyone shuld be allowed in any country they like, but I've seen/heard too much conflictions since.
Some are coming here where I live which will cause animosity I fear. Specially since 3-400 of them will live in a nice Hotel living off benefits. Where I live doesn't have a big population so ppl will see them a threat in taking alot of jobs too. Again I used to not care about things like this but I do when other ppl care and react in such a way that it causes trouble.
And being sectioned together all over the country I think isn't the wisest thing because they don't mix in with us and this is what causes I believe half the probs with gangs and crime accelerating.
[B]And being sectioned together all over the country I think isn't the wisest thing because they don't mix in with us and this is what causes I believe half the probs with gangs and crime accelerating. [/B][/QUOTE]
That's actually one of the things I love about the way immigrants live here. We don't have a "china town" or a "little italy" or anything like that. Sure, they do tend to concentrate together in certain suburbs more than others, but nothing really huge. They just sort of merge with the city completely. You don't have to go to a particular part of the city to find, say, a chinese supermarket.
[B] and pledge alliegance to the one-nation-state,
Regards,
Morden [/B][/QUOTE]
Religion is a private thing for people. And have nothing with the state,
[B]That's actually one of the things I love about the way immigrants live here. We don't have a "china town" or a "little italy" or anything like that. Sure, they do tend to concentrate together in certain suburbs more than others, but nothing really huge. They just sort of merge with the city completely. You don't have to go to a particular part of the city to find, say, a chinese supermarket. [/B][/QUOTE]
That is I think how it should be, and how it would work better. At the mo it is ok in the town I'm in, for the few immigrants that are here they mix easily no prob.
[B]Religion is a private thing for people. And have nothing with the state, [/B][/QUOTE]
What wrong with pledging alliegance to the infrastructure which ensures your way of life? What's more, I didn't even link the two in my last post.
Morden
[B]besides, if we go to an arab country, they expect us to follow their laws and customs (no booze, women cover up etc..)[/rant] [/B][/QUOTE]
That's a bit of an over-generalisation.
[B]That's a bit of an over-generalisation. [/B][/QUOTE]
But he has a point. :)