ShadowDancerWhen I say, "Why aye, gadgie," in my heart I say, "Och aye, laddie."London, UK
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Messiah [/i]
[B]Im tired of everyone pecking on Simmonds. If you wanna thrash someone, thrash me for a change. [/B][/QUOTE]
really?! can we!?;) :p
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Morden279 [/i]
[B]The difference is, we all actually SAY that we don't mean it, we actually *have* deniability. Simmonds [b]hasn't[/b] done this. Until then, we're all perfectly entitled to take what he says seriously. [/B][/QUOTE]
Not everyone does, and I can think of many occasions where some people have sounded very serious about hating France.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Messiah [/i]
[B]I see you saying it in this thread, and this thread only.[/B][/QUOTE]
That's because the issue has been brought up on this thread.
Biggles, we all know people who are serious about hating a country are mindless bigots. Anyway, I honestly can't think of anyone who'se done nothing short of put theit hand up and say "I hate France", and mean it. (How can you justify such a hatred?)
I only hate the French to show my solidarity with the British (who have hating them built into their culture), who are our close allies and have to live next to them.
I have been to France, though. Aside from their idiot artists hanging around the Sacre Coeur (or however you spell it) thinking they're fooling tourists with their student discount of 50 euroes from 100 euroes for crappy, slightly racist drawings, the "Jamacan" bracelet makers that make bracelets that are good for the "boom boom," the pushy people that try to get you into their strip clubs even after explaining you've got a flight to catch at 9AM and you've got no cash on you, and the hostel recptionist who locks the front door so he can sleep when he's supposed to be up manning the front desk, the deli guy that got pissed off because I ordered something, the I think drunk guy that decided to have a conversation with me in French at 3AM in the morning after I said "No parle francias" over and over again, eventually in English, the metros that close at 12AM, and the 1-2 hour wait for your bags at the airport, and the taxi driver that didn't really know the neighborhood he was working in so he had to keep driving around the same area, France is alright.
I met a nice old French lady that spoke English and wanted to visit America. She tried to help me find the Wall of Love. And then there was the tourist couple from the UK I met. We took the wrong way out of the Sacre Coeur and had to help each other climb the wrong way over the enterance's ticket barrier. That was fun. The Americans I bunked with were cool, too.
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
Actually, right after visiting France, I went over to the UK. Oh man, it was so much better (and not because of the lack of a language barrier). It was significantly better.
But I should probably clarify that I visited Paris and London, not all of France and the UK. That said, London is a lot better than Paris in every way. And if it were possible to hug a female Irish accent, I would.
the difference in what i see is the hating france and hating the US thing here is that i haven't seen anyone post anything anti-french repeatedly in a way to start a flame war.
Posting stats about how 10000 of their own people die from heat with their 'great' free health care system is pretty much the closest thing i can see. :D
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by MT [/i]
[B]I only hate the French to show my solidarity with the British (who have hating them built into their culture), who are our close allies and have to live next to them. [/B][/QUOTE]
Well showing solidarity with the British is all well and good, but hate is a very strong word. I'm patriotic to a fault, and have been in my good share of arguments because of it, but I don't *hate* the French, and I'm sure nor do the majority of the nation's citizens.
It's more a "rivalry" in the modern age, and it was an "enmity" before that; [i]hatred[/i] was something reserved for the fields of Agincourt and Crecy, and we've moved on from then.
Actually, I actually do hate the french. Not all of them, just the city frogs. I don't have a beef with the ones that live out in the country. When my father was over in that area when he was younger than I, they were going through the country when they dropped by a restaurant. The owner came out and invited him, and my grandparents, inside [b]before opening hours[/b], fired up the grill and started cooking breakfast. THAT impressed the hell out of me. The city french, on the other hand, would sooner spit on you and tell you to fuck off than do a damn thing to help you.
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
And so would many of the city folk in most countries. When you get right down to it, apart from being a bit arrogant about their language the french are no better or worse than any other place in the world.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Morden279 [/i]
[B]Well showing solidarity with the British is all well and good, but hate is a very strong word. I'm patriotic to a fault, and have been in my good share of arguments because of it, but I don't *hate* the French, and I'm sure nor do the majority of the nation's citizens.
It's more a "rivalry" in the modern age, and it was an "enmity" before that; [i]hatred[/i] was something reserved for the fields of Agincourt and Crecy, and we've moved on from then.
Regards,
Morden [/B][/QUOTE]
I once wrote a very unserious article for my school paper (which can be found here: [url]http://www.kaleo.org/vnews/display.v/ART/2003/03/03/3e630f5d2a841?in_archive=1[/url]). People sent in serious letters to it claiming my fantasy land would never happen. This is almost like that. Oh sure some of the things I've said are factually true, but the delivery demands you not take it literally and/or too seriously.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by MT [/i]
[B]I once wrote a very unserious article for my school paper (which can be found here: [url]http://www.kaleo.org/vnews/display.v/ART/2003/03/03/3e630f5d2a841?in_archive=1[/url]). People sent in serious letters to it claiming my fantasy land would never happen. This is almost like that. Oh sure some of the things I've said are factually true, but the delivery demands you not take it literally and/or too seriously. [/B][/QUOTE]
So, *just* because you say what you say in a particular way, but actually mean it, [i]still[/i] means we shouldn't take it seriously? Now I'm confused...
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Morden279 [/i]
[B]So, *just* because you say what you say in a particular way, but actually mean it, [i]still[/i] means we shouldn't take it seriously? Now I'm confused...
[/B][/QUOTE]
Why are you confused? You weren't before, Mr. Serious Pants.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Morden279 [/i]
[B]Yeah, we may say the same things, but the people who "hate" France, certainly don't make it their primary pusuit and actually *mean* what they say.[/B][/QUOTE]
I say what I say in a particular way that clearly indicates I don't [i]really[/i] mean it. Sometimes. Yes, it's factually true that green is the lesser of purple and all that, but the way I present it clearly indicates that I don't mean it when I say things like you guys have a brain disease from green. You guys do, but at the same time don't really.
Just because I bring up the fact that France has thrown a lot of garbage at me, doesn't mean I'm completely serious when I say they are all the spawn of the devil and must be purged with fire and brimstone.
Just like how when I say people should be friendlier to each other and that would make the UH campus better, doesn't mean I seriously think we're all going to have improv musicals every day (something people actually wrote letters about).
And do you really think that I think your name is Mr. Serious Pants? (I don't, but I also wouldn't be surprised. Ok, I would.)
I dont hate all americans. I just hate some of them;)
[quote]hand, would sooner spit on you and tell you to fuck off than do a damn thing to help you.[/quote]
My friends parents went to France, and the French never did that to them. He said the french were nice to his parents, when they said they where from Canada:D
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[B]Im tired of everyone pecking on Simmonds. If you wanna thrash someone, thrash me for a change. [/B][/QUOTE]
really?! can we!?;) :p
[B]The difference is, we all actually SAY that we don't mean it, we actually *have* deniability. Simmonds [b]hasn't[/b] done this. Until then, we're all perfectly entitled to take what he says seriously. [/B][/QUOTE]
Not everyone does, and I can think of many occasions where some people have sounded very serious about hating France.
[B]I see you saying it in this thread, and this thread only.[/B][/QUOTE]
That's because the issue has been brought up on this thread.
Biggles, we all know people who are serious about hating a country are mindless bigots. Anyway, I honestly can't think of anyone who'se done nothing short of put theit hand up and say "I hate France", and mean it. (How can you justify such a hatred?)
Regards,
Morden
I have been to France, though. Aside from their idiot artists hanging around the Sacre Coeur (or however you spell it) thinking they're fooling tourists with their student discount of 50 euroes from 100 euroes for crappy, slightly racist drawings, the "Jamacan" bracelet makers that make bracelets that are good for the "boom boom," the pushy people that try to get you into their strip clubs even after explaining you've got a flight to catch at 9AM and you've got no cash on you, and the hostel recptionist who locks the front door so he can sleep when he's supposed to be up manning the front desk, the deli guy that got pissed off because I ordered something, the I think drunk guy that decided to have a conversation with me in French at 3AM in the morning after I said "No parle francias" over and over again, eventually in English, the metros that close at 12AM, and the 1-2 hour wait for your bags at the airport, and the taxi driver that didn't really know the neighborhood he was working in so he had to keep driving around the same area, France is alright.
I met a nice old French lady that spoke English and wanted to visit America. She tried to help me find the Wall of Love. And then there was the tourist couple from the UK I met. We took the wrong way out of the Sacre Coeur and had to help each other climb the wrong way over the enterance's ticket barrier. That was fun. The Americans I bunked with were cool, too.
But I should probably clarify that I visited Paris and London, not all of France and the UK. That said, London is a lot better than Paris in every way. And if it were possible to hug a female Irish accent, I would.
Posting stats about how 10000 of their own people die from heat with their 'great' free health care system is pretty much the closest thing i can see. :D
[B]I only hate the French to show my solidarity with the British (who have hating them built into their culture), who are our close allies and have to live next to them. [/B][/QUOTE]
Well showing solidarity with the British is all well and good, but hate is a very strong word. I'm patriotic to a fault, and have been in my good share of arguments because of it, but I don't *hate* the French, and I'm sure nor do the majority of the nation's citizens.
It's more a "rivalry" in the modern age, and it was an "enmity" before that; [i]hatred[/i] was something reserved for the fields of Agincourt and Crecy, and we've moved on from then.
Regards,
Morden
[B]If you wanna thrash someone, thrash me for a change. [/B][/QUOTE]
This reminds me of: "Ye wanna pick on someone, pick on WILLEH!" :D
[B]Well showing solidarity with the British is all well and good, but hate is a very strong word. I'm patriotic to a fault, and have been in my good share of arguments because of it, but I don't *hate* the French, and I'm sure nor do the majority of the nation's citizens.
It's more a "rivalry" in the modern age, and it was an "enmity" before that; [i]hatred[/i] was something reserved for the fields of Agincourt and Crecy, and we've moved on from then.
Regards,
Morden [/B][/QUOTE]
I once wrote a very unserious article for my school paper (which can be found here: [url]http://www.kaleo.org/vnews/display.v/ART/2003/03/03/3e630f5d2a841?in_archive=1[/url]). People sent in serious letters to it claiming my fantasy land would never happen. This is almost like that. Oh sure some of the things I've said are factually true, but the delivery demands you not take it literally and/or too seriously.
[B]I once wrote a very unserious article for my school paper (which can be found here: [url]http://www.kaleo.org/vnews/display.v/ART/2003/03/03/3e630f5d2a841?in_archive=1[/url]). People sent in serious letters to it claiming my fantasy land would never happen. This is almost like that. Oh sure some of the things I've said are factually true, but the delivery demands you not take it literally and/or too seriously. [/B][/QUOTE]
So, *just* because you say what you say in a particular way, but actually mean it, [i]still[/i] means we shouldn't take it seriously? Now I'm confused...
Regards,
Morden
[B]So, *just* because you say what you say in a particular way, but actually mean it, [i]still[/i] means we shouldn't take it seriously? Now I'm confused...
[/B][/QUOTE]
Why are you confused? You weren't before, Mr. Serious Pants.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Morden279 [/i]
[B]Yeah, we may say the same things, but the people who "hate" France, certainly don't make it their primary pusuit and actually *mean* what they say.[/B][/QUOTE]
I say what I say in a particular way that clearly indicates I don't [i]really[/i] mean it. Sometimes. Yes, it's factually true that green is the lesser of purple and all that, but the way I present it clearly indicates that I don't mean it when I say things like you guys have a brain disease from green. You guys do, but at the same time don't really.
Just because I bring up the fact that France has thrown a lot of garbage at me, doesn't mean I'm completely serious when I say they are all the spawn of the devil and must be purged with fire and brimstone.
Just like how when I say people should be friendlier to each other and that would make the UH campus better, doesn't mean I seriously think we're all going to have improv musicals every day (something people actually wrote letters about).
And do you really think that I think your name is Mr. Serious Pants? (I don't, but I also wouldn't be surprised. Ok, I would.)
Regards,
Morden
I dont hate all americans. I just hate some of them;)
[quote]hand, would sooner spit on you and tell you to fuck off than do a damn thing to help you.[/quote]
My friends parents went to France, and the French never did that to them. He said the french were nice to his parents, when they said they where from Canada:D