Yes the moon can only hope for subterrainian and domed colonies.
Mars however had a substantial atmosphere in the past, and could have again. Running water and shallow oceans also. We just have to keep up on it... over time...
I find it quite ironic that here we have a beautiful planet and are still polluting. And Mars for it to be terraformed needs to be polluted! I wish all what we was doing here could be transferred there even if it weren't enough. :)
I doubt Mars could ever be like Earth is now, but a few things could grow there once terraforming had been there awhile. And who knows by then ppl may have come up with a solution that we can't even dream of cos its not been thought of! Might sound corny but think back to the cavemen.....you'd never be able to explain a PC to them. And in all the yrs when we were cavemen in astronomical terms it really wasn't that long ago. And we have come a fair way since.
Perhaps if a comet hit Mars this would heat it?! Just a idea. ;)
I do think that there will be underground networks on the Moon first then Mars. Think this is the only decent thing Bush has thought of with regard to his comments on building a Moonbase. Perhaps this is his escape since so many ppl want to kick his butt.
Will I get slammed for saying this? lol. :p
Well, to terraform does not have to literally mean 'to make like Earth'. You could encase Mars or Luna in a greenhouse, although it would take several hundred years to finish, in the mean time, you would be able to live beneath the roof. Start with a few domed cities, and expand from there.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Messiah [/i]
[B]You could encase Mars or Luna in a greenhouse,[/B][/QUOTE]
That would require lot of compartments (like in warships) or defense system against meteoroids because even one gram piece of rock does much more damage than bullet when it's flying at cosmic speed.
Ok, here are a couple unanswered questions I have about colonizing/teraforming Mars:
First, since Mars is much further from the sun (Mars only recieves 44% of the sunlight earth does), and seems to have much less geologic activity, indicating a much cooler core than earths, how will there be enough heat developed, collected to sustain life?
Second if its a thicker atmosphere (Greenhouse effect) that needed to keep warm, given that Mars is signifigantly smaller than earth (there for only has about 38% of the gravity), what will keep the thicker atmosphere on the planet?
Finally,
If humans are to colonize Mars, domed or otherwise, what will be the effects of human reproduction in the lower gravity? IE how will the fetus and the adolesent humans develop with out the pull of earths gravity? Would they ever be able to travel back to earth?
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by MartianDust [/i]
[B]Perhaps if a comet hit Mars this would heat it?! Just a idea. ;)[/B][/QUOTE]
I'm no expert, but common sense tells me that if an asteroid hit Mars, all the dirt it'd blow up into the atmosphere would likely cause a "nuclear winter".
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Freejack [/i]
[B]If humans are to colonize Mars, domed or otherwise, what will be the effects of human reproduction in the lower gravity? IE how will the fetus and the adolesent humans develop with out the pull of earths gravity? Would they ever be able to travel back to earth?[/B][/QUOTE]
That's actually one of the big unanswered questions about humans in low gravity.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by CurZ [/i]
[B]all the dirt it'd blow up into the atmosphere would likely cause a "nuclear winter". [/B][/QUOTE]
At first, but most of that dirt would fall down pretty quickly.
And impact could release huge amounts of steam to atmosphere which causes greenhouse effect after that.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by E.T [/i]
[B]That would require lot of compartments (like in warships) or defense system against meteoroids because even one gram piece of rock does much more damage than bullet when it's flying at cosmic speed. [/B][/QUOTE]
Compartments would be the most logic choice, especially i the beginning, start from a few domes and spread.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Freejack [/i][B] IE how will the fetus and the adolesent humans develop with out the pull of earths gravity? Would they ever be able to travel back to earth?
Jake [/B][/QUOTE]
The generally accepted answer at the moment is no, or not without great difficulty and risk to the individual.
If humans are to colonize Mars, domed or otherwise, what will be the effects of human reproduction in the lower gravity? IE how will the fetus and the adolesent humans develop with out the pull of earths gravity? Would they ever be able to travel back to earth?
Jake [/B][/QUOTE]
isn't mars like, .8something earth norm? so they would be a little taller, and a tad weaker in physical strength. but put them on a ship bound for earth, and on the way slowly increase the rotational speed to Earth norm + have en excersize room, no problem. even if the journey took a meer month, they would build enough strength that it wouldn't be a problem IMHO.
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Biggles [/i]
[B]0.38. They'd probably have serious problems. [/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah, especially bones would be pretty fragile
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by E.T [/i]
[B]At first, but most of that dirt would fall down pretty quickly.
And impact could release huge amounts of steam to atmosphere which causes greenhouse effect after that.[/B][/QUOTE]
Glad my idea wasn't a total white wash lol. Thanks for the links. Very interesting what I can understand.
[QUOTE][B]At least when they try to declare independence, those damned Marsies won't be much of a fight[/B][/QUOTE]
They'll be suffering terrible Osteoparosis (however you spell/pronounce it)! ;)
About human development in space. Interior organs in prolonged zero-gravity tend to become more spherical. Presenting problems apart from lack of muscularity etc.
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Bekenn [/i]
[B]Actually, you could just make the weapons heavier to reduce kickback. In the lower gravity, that wouldn't be much of a detriment. [/B][/QUOTE]
True. Making them heavier would simply make them feel more like you were carrying them in 1G. However, consideration must also be given to the fact that someone growing up on Mars would be used to carrying things that felt lighter so for them, the weapons would feel overly heavy.
I don't care what weapons you give the martians. so long as I have this:
[url]http://www.hk-usa.com/pages/military-le/special%20applications/gmg.html[/url]
and a vid:
[url]http://www.hkpro.com/gmg.htm[/url]
:D
for those to lazy to look...it's basically a chain fed machine gun, where each bullet it a grenade. :D
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Messiah [/i]
[B]About human development in space. Interior organs in prolonged zero-gravity tend to become more spherical. Presenting problems apart from lack of muscularity etc. [/B][/QUOTE]
No wonder the 'greys' (aliens) have big spherical heads and big eyes!! :alien:
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Mars however had a substantial atmosphere in the past, and could have again. Running water and shallow oceans also. We just have to keep up on it... over time...
:D
I doubt Mars could ever be like Earth is now, but a few things could grow there once terraforming had been there awhile. And who knows by then ppl may have come up with a solution that we can't even dream of cos its not been thought of! Might sound corny but think back to the cavemen.....you'd never be able to explain a PC to them. And in all the yrs when we were cavemen in astronomical terms it really wasn't that long ago. And we have come a fair way since.
Perhaps if a comet hit Mars this would heat it?! Just a idea. ;)
I do think that there will be underground networks on the Moon first then Mars. Think this is the only decent thing Bush has thought of with regard to his comments on building a Moonbase. Perhaps this is his escape since so many ppl want to kick his butt.
Will I get slammed for saying this? lol. :p
[B]You could encase Mars or Luna in a greenhouse,[/B][/QUOTE]
That would require lot of compartments (like in warships) or defense system against meteoroids because even one gram piece of rock does much more damage than bullet when it's flying at cosmic speed.
First, since Mars is much further from the sun (Mars only recieves 44% of the sunlight earth does), and seems to have much less geologic activity, indicating a much cooler core than earths, how will there be enough heat developed, collected to sustain life?
Second if its a thicker atmosphere (Greenhouse effect) that needed to keep warm, given that Mars is signifigantly smaller than earth (there for only has about 38% of the gravity), what will keep the thicker atmosphere on the planet?
Finally,
If humans are to colonize Mars, domed or otherwise, what will be the effects of human reproduction in the lower gravity? IE how will the fetus and the adolesent humans develop with out the pull of earths gravity? Would they ever be able to travel back to earth?
Jake
[B]Perhaps if a comet hit Mars this would heat it?! Just a idea. ;)[/B][/QUOTE]
I'm no expert, but common sense tells me that if an asteroid hit Mars, all the dirt it'd blow up into the atmosphere would likely cause a "nuclear winter".
[B]If humans are to colonize Mars, domed or otherwise, what will be the effects of human reproduction in the lower gravity? IE how will the fetus and the adolesent humans develop with out the pull of earths gravity? Would they ever be able to travel back to earth?[/B][/QUOTE]
That's actually one of the big unanswered questions about humans in low gravity.
[B]all the dirt it'd blow up into the atmosphere would likely cause a "nuclear winter". [/B][/QUOTE]
At first, but most of that dirt would fall down pretty quickly.
And impact could release huge amounts of steam to atmosphere which causes greenhouse effect after that.
[url]http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/tekton/crater.html[/url]
PS. [url]http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?click_id=588&art_id=qw1074767040813B215&set_id=1[/url]
[B]That would require lot of compartments (like in warships) or defense system against meteoroids because even one gram piece of rock does much more damage than bullet when it's flying at cosmic speed. [/B][/QUOTE]
Compartments would be the most logic choice, especially i the beginning, start from a few domes and spread.
Jake [/B][/QUOTE]
The generally accepted answer at the moment is no, or not without great difficulty and risk to the individual.
;)
[B]
If humans are to colonize Mars, domed or otherwise, what will be the effects of human reproduction in the lower gravity? IE how will the fetus and the adolesent humans develop with out the pull of earths gravity? Would they ever be able to travel back to earth?
Jake [/B][/QUOTE]
isn't mars like, .8something earth norm? so they would be a little taller, and a tad weaker in physical strength. but put them on a ship bound for earth, and on the way slowly increase the rotational speed to Earth norm + have en excersize room, no problem. even if the journey took a meer month, they would build enough strength that it wouldn't be a problem IMHO.
[B]0.38. They'd probably have serious problems. [/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah, especially bones would be pretty fragile
[B]At first, but most of that dirt would fall down pretty quickly.
And impact could release huge amounts of steam to atmosphere which causes greenhouse effect after that.[/B][/QUOTE]
Glad my idea wasn't a total white wash lol. Thanks for the links. Very interesting what I can understand.
[QUOTE][B]At least when they try to declare independence, those damned Marsies won't be much of a fight[/B][/QUOTE]
They'll be suffering terrible Osteoparosis (however you spell/pronounce it)! ;)
[B]0.38. They'd probably have serious problems. [/B][/QUOTE]
especially if they are firing that calibur of shells in that gravity...
:p
[B]especially if they are firing that calibur of shells in that gravity...
:p [/B][/QUOTE]
hahah
Can you imagine firing a tank on Mars? The recoil would be a real bitch. :p
[B]You'd have to put big spikes on your treads or something. Army boots with sprigs. :D [/B][/QUOTE]
Sprigs eh? of what mistletoe so we can kiss the marsies to death?
[B]Actually, you could just make the weapons heavier to reduce kickback. In the lower gravity, that wouldn't be much of a detriment. [/B][/QUOTE]
True. Making them heavier would simply make them feel more like you were carrying them in 1G. However, consideration must also be given to the fact that someone growing up on Mars would be used to carrying things that felt lighter so for them, the weapons would feel overly heavy.
[url]http://www.hk-usa.com/pages/military-le/special%20applications/gmg.html[/url]
and a vid:
[url]http://www.hkpro.com/gmg.htm[/url]
:D
for those to lazy to look...it's basically a chain fed machine gun, where each bullet it a grenade. :D
[B]About human development in space. Interior organs in prolonged zero-gravity tend to become more spherical. Presenting problems apart from lack of muscularity etc. [/B][/QUOTE]
No wonder the 'greys' (aliens) have big spherical heads and big eyes!! :alien:
Well kind of!