Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
What's wrong with jumping up and down for joy when you accomplish possibly one of the most difficult technological tasks any group of people could do? Prefessionalism doesn't mean sitting there saying "Mmm, jolly good show," calmly when the rover makes it down safely, and being very very happy doesn't mean you're not professional or that you don't have confidence in your own work. And so what if these are "the same bunch of people that lost billions in 1999"? At least this shows they have learnt from their mistakes. These sorts of achievments do not happen without some failures to go with them, and without some failures we'd never learn what could go wrong (like poor communication, or technical faults, or many dozens of other things).
Your post is about as bad as the guy on slashdot who started going on about how he wasn't an american, but this clearly proves that the americans are superior at science.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Konrad [/i]
[B]I ask you - How is the shuttle? How is the ISS progressing? What is the Mars mission sucess average? When was the last time a human was on the moon? (Sorry - I'm feeling negative) [/B][/QUOTE]
Or funding of space exploration compared to funding directed to invent new ways of killing other peoples.
Nothing new about british "sandwich" lander.
[url]http://www.beagle2.com/news/index.htm[/url]
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Sanfam [/i]
[B]My guess is that Beagle II became good friends with the surface of mars. It happens. [/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah, forgot braking and "embedded" itself to "inside" mars soil.
(that was supposedly the case with Polar Lander)
Other possibility could be that it landed between rocks and because of that "sandwich" is unable to open.
But let's wait until those communication attempts have been made through Mars Express. (if there's some compability problem with communications between it and Odyssey)
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
We have to wait till thursday for that now due to changes in the orbit of Mars Exrepss.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Konrad [/i]
[B]Woa dude look at all the groovy colors! :)[/B][/QUOTE]
That red color is caused by iron oxide in everywhere on planet's surface.
Old nonused railroad rails have same color.
[i]An attempt will be made to contact Beagle 2 via Mars Express on 7th January 2004 at about 12:15 GMT. Results should be available by 15:00 GMT.[/i]
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Biggles [/i]
[B]If any of them do, it would be Mars Express. It's far more modern than the other two. [/B][/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEMUC75V9ED_0.html#subhead1[/url]
[i]The 2-metre resolution channel will allow us to just pick out the Beagle 2 lander on the surface[/i]
But there is always that one "but".
In this case it's that when closed Beagle 2's size is around one meter.
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
Yeah. If they had photos of the area at the same resolution from before it landed, they might have been able to do a comparison for any changes, but since Mars Express got to its final orbit well after Beagle II landed, they won't.
Time's running short for Beagle 2.
[url]http://www.beagle2.com/landing/timeline.htm[/url]
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by JackN [/i]
[B]Heh! That's no moon... It's a space station...
Albeit a couple million year old rusted one...[/B][/QUOTE]
Well, Mars isn't moon, it's a planet.
I'm bettin' if this image is [b][i]REAL[/i][/b] that it is a Lava bubble that formed from flash heated water underneath the molten rock, but the rock solidified before it could burst. Perhaps a chunk of commetray ice that impacted to form the crater and feed the gas bubble formation? Or maybe ground water that flash boiled into steam... either way very cool!
I have only one problem with it... It looks too perfect... but then in low gravity, sheltered from winds by the newly formed crater wall, who knows...
Reminds me of a nearby Volcanic Crater with a Lava Dome in it, called Panum Crater.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by bobo [/i]
[B]It gets [url=http://ida.wr.usgs.gov/fullres/divided/m15012/m1501228b.jpg]weirder[/url]. Dunes? Ice? I haven't located the bearings for these, yet.
*looking some more*
Now I'm thinking lava tubes from "Blue Mars" (or was it "Green Mars") [/B][/QUOTE]
That's more like the erosion you find around some soft areas made up of volcanic tuft/pumice... such as fractures like these escarpments near Crater Lake in Oregon... especially if you are looking at it from a vertical position like the orbiter...
My armchair interpretation of it [url=http://oakhurst.net/~alien/MISC/interpretation.jpg]here[/url].
Lemme see if I can find an image or two to illustrate...
The second mars image in the link above posted by Bobo, makes a good case for trapped water I think, either frozen at the surface or just under it as permafrost, and maybe really deeper... we can always hope...
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by JackN [/i]
[B]That's more like the erosion you find around some soft areas made up of volcanic tuft/pumice... such as fractures like these escarpments near Crater Lake in Oregon... especially if you are looking at it from a vertical position like the orbiter...[/B][/QUOTE]
[url]http://volcano.und.nodak.edu/vwdocs/volc_images/north_america/crater_lake.html[/url]
And for example St. Helens lavadome.
[url]http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Volcanoes/MSH/LavaDome/description_msh_dome.html[/url]
But what it does in impact crater?
(many bigger craters on moon have central peak but it's different)
Nice explanation. If you go back to [url=http://ida.wr.usgs.gov/fullres/divided/m15012/]the root[/url], you can find a running series of these.
[url=http://ida.wr.usgs.gov/fullres/divided/m15012/m1501228c.jpg]m1501228c.jpg[/url]
[url=http://ida.wr.usgs.gov/fullres/divided/m15012/m1501228d.jpg]m1501228d.jpg[/url]
And a similar crater in [url=http://ida.wr.usgs.gov/fullres/divided/m15012/m1501228e.jpg]m1501228e.jpg[/url]
Can you figure out the locations? They appear to be from a series, but I can't identify where these are from. Location might help with the areology.
Also freezing water in arctic region's marshs causes domes that look pretty same.
Damn:angryv:
This commercialism corrupts everything it touches! Soon Google will become useless if they just keep pushing those commercial links always!:angryv: :angryv:
"But they now believe they have "a very serious anomaly," said Peter Theisinger, the project manager."
Random ChaosActually Carefully-selected Order in disguise
Contact problems!
Press release from NASA:
January 22, 2004
[b]Mars Exploration Rover Mission Status[/b]
Flight-team engineers for NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Mission were encouraged this morning when Spirit sent a simple radio signal acknowledging that the rover had received a transmission from Earth.
However, the team is still trying to diagnose the cause of earlier communications difficulties that have prevented any data being returned from Spirit since early Wednesday.
"We have a very serious situation," said Pete Theisinger of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, project manager for Spirit and its twin, Opportunity.
Spirit did send a radio signal via NASA's Mars Global Surveyor orbiter Wednesday evening, but the transmission did not carry any data. Spirit did not make radio contact with NASA's Mars Odyssey during a scheduled session two hours later or during another one Thursday morning. It also did not respond to the first two attempts Thursday to elicit an acknowledgment signal with direct communications between Earth and the rover, and it did not send a signal at a time pre-set for doing so when its computer recognizes certain communication problems. The successful attempt to get a response signal came shortly before 9 a.m. Pacific Standard Time.
No single explanation considered so far fits all of the events observed, Theisinger said. When the team tried to replicate the situation in its testing facility at JPL, the testbed rover did not have any trouble communicating. Two of the possibilities under consideration are a corruption of flight software or corruption of computer memory, either of which could leave Spirit's power supply healthy and allow adequate time for recovering control of the rover.
Engineers will continue efforts to understand the situation in preparation for scheduled communication relay sessions using Mars Global Surveyor at 7:10 p.m. PST and Mars Odyssey at 10:35 PST. Efforts to resume direct communications between Spirit and antennas of NASA's Deep Space Network will resume after the rover's expected wake-up at about 3 a.m. PST Friday.
Meanwhile, mission leaders decided to skip an optional trajectory correction maneuver today for Opportunity, the other Mars Exploration Rover. Opportunity is on course to land halfway around Mars from Spirit, in a region called Meridiani Planum, on Jan. 25 (Universal Time and EST; Jan. 24 at 9:05 p.m. PST).
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
NASA's latest press release on the issue is [url=http://marsrovers.nasa.gov/newsroom/pressreleases/20040122a.html]here[/url], and a little more up to date.
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
Whoops, merged the threads the wrong way around...
my bet is its the localised storms around Canberra (in ACT in AU), where the big ass dish is... that NASA is using as a relay to talk to the Mars mission vehicles, are screwing with the signal.
I can imagine a signal sent from Earth thru a storm like that would make a mess...
"Lander, please move forward 3 metres and extend arm, then photograph the surface of the boulder in front of you."
zing BRAZZANCHUMMM zing --->
"Photograph your boulders and extend your moves forward front arm."
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Your post is about as bad as the guy on slashdot who started going on about how he wasn't an american, but this clearly proves that the americans are superior at science.
[B]I ask you - How is the shuttle? How is the ISS progressing? What is the Mars mission sucess average? When was the last time a human was on the moon? (Sorry - I'm feeling negative) [/B][/QUOTE]
Or funding of space exploration compared to funding directed to invent new ways of killing other peoples.
Nothing new about british "sandwich" lander.
[url]http://www.beagle2.com/news/index.htm[/url]
[B]My guess is that Beagle II became good friends with the surface of mars. It happens. [/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah, forgot braking and "embedded" itself to "inside" mars soil.
(that was supposedly the case with Polar Lander)
Other possibility could be that it landed between rocks and because of that "sandwich" is unable to open.
But let's wait until those communication attempts have been made through Mars Express. (if there's some compability problem with communications between it and Odyssey)
[url]http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20040106/ap_on_sc/mars_rover_91[/url]
[B]Woa dude look at all the groovy colors! :)[/B][/QUOTE]
That red color is caused by iron oxide in everywhere on planet's surface.
Old nonused railroad rails have same color.
[i]An attempt will be made to contact Beagle 2 via Mars Express on 7th January 2004 at about 12:15 GMT. Results should be available by 15:00 GMT.[/i]
Well, just have to wait more.
[B]If any of them do, it would be Mars Express. It's far more modern than the other two. [/B][/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEMUC75V9ED_0.html#subhead1[/url]
[i]The 2-metre resolution channel will allow us to just pick out the Beagle 2 lander on the surface[/i]
But there is always that one "but".
In this case it's that when closed Beagle 2's size is around one meter.
[B]That red color is caused by iron oxide in everywhere on planet's surface.[/i] [/B][/QUOTE]
Heh! That's no moon... It's a space station...
Albeit a couple million year old rusted one...
:p
[url]http://www.beagle2.com/landing/timeline.htm[/url]
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by JackN [/i]
[B]Heh! That's no moon... It's a space station...
Albeit a couple million year old rusted one...[/B][/QUOTE]
Well, Mars isn't moon, it's a planet.
[url]http://www.beagle2.com/index.htm[/url]
Glad they were able to avoid the non fully deflated airbags. I can't wait to find out what's in that big depresion area. :)
I'm bettin' if this image is [b][i]REAL[/i][/b] that it is a Lava bubble that formed from flash heated water underneath the molten rock, but the rock solidified before it could burst. Perhaps a chunk of commetray ice that impacted to form the crater and feed the gas bubble formation? Or maybe ground water that flash boiled into steam... either way very cool!
I have only one problem with it... It looks too perfect... but then in low gravity, sheltered from winds by the newly formed crater wall, who knows...
Reminds me of a nearby Volcanic Crater with a Lava Dome in it, called Panum Crater.
[IMG]http://oakhurst.net/~alien/MISC/AirViewB.gif[/IMG]
*looking some more*
Now I'm thinking lava tubes from "Blue Mars" (or was it "Green Mars")
[B]It gets [url=http://ida.wr.usgs.gov/fullres/divided/m15012/m1501228b.jpg]weirder[/url]. Dunes? Ice? I haven't located the bearings for these, yet.
*looking some more*
Now I'm thinking lava tubes from "Blue Mars" (or was it "Green Mars") [/B][/QUOTE]
That's more like the erosion you find around some soft areas made up of volcanic tuft/pumice... such as fractures like these escarpments near Crater Lake in Oregon... especially if you are looking at it from a vertical position like the orbiter...
My armchair interpretation of it [url=http://oakhurst.net/~alien/MISC/interpretation.jpg]here[/url].
Lemme see if I can find an image or two to illustrate...
[img]http://oakhurst.net/~alien/MISC/CL-82.JPG[/img]
[img]http://oakhurst.net/~alien/MISC/CL-83.JPG[/img]
[img]http://oakhurst.net/~alien/MISC/CL-84.JPG[/img]
[img]http://oakhurst.net/~alien/MISC/CL-86.JPG[/img]
The second mars image in the link above posted by Bobo, makes a good case for trapped water I think, either frozen at the surface or just under it as permafrost, and maybe really deeper... we can always hope...
[B]That's more like the erosion you find around some soft areas made up of volcanic tuft/pumice... such as fractures like these escarpments near Crater Lake in Oregon... especially if you are looking at it from a vertical position like the orbiter...[/B][/QUOTE]
[url]http://volcano.und.nodak.edu/vwdocs/volc_images/north_america/crater_lake.html[/url]
And for example St. Helens lavadome.
[url]http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Volcanoes/MSH/LavaDome/description_msh_dome.html[/url]
But what it does in impact crater?
(many bigger craters on moon have central peak but it's different)
[url=http://ida.wr.usgs.gov/fullres/divided/m15012/m1501228c.jpg]m1501228c.jpg[/url]
[url=http://ida.wr.usgs.gov/fullres/divided/m15012/m1501228d.jpg]m1501228d.jpg[/url]
And a similar crater in [url=http://ida.wr.usgs.gov/fullres/divided/m15012/m1501228e.jpg]m1501228e.jpg[/url]
Can you figure out the locations? They appear to be from a series, but I can't identify where these are from. Location might help with the areology.
Damn:angryv:
This commercialism corrupts everything it touches! Soon Google will become useless if they just keep pushing those commercial links always!:angryv: :angryv:
[URL=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38843-2004Jan22.html?nav=hptop_tb]Washingtonpost Article!!![/URL]
"NASA Loses Contact With Mars Rover"
"But they now believe they have "a very serious anomaly," said Peter Theisinger, the project manager."
Press release from NASA:
January 22, 2004
[b]Mars Exploration Rover Mission Status[/b]
Flight-team engineers for NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Mission were encouraged this morning when Spirit sent a simple radio signal acknowledging that the rover had received a transmission from Earth.
However, the team is still trying to diagnose the cause of earlier communications difficulties that have prevented any data being returned from Spirit since early Wednesday.
"We have a very serious situation," said Pete Theisinger of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, project manager for Spirit and its twin, Opportunity.
Spirit did send a radio signal via NASA's Mars Global Surveyor orbiter Wednesday evening, but the transmission did not carry any data. Spirit did not make radio contact with NASA's Mars Odyssey during a scheduled session two hours later or during another one Thursday morning. It also did not respond to the first two attempts Thursday to elicit an acknowledgment signal with direct communications between Earth and the rover, and it did not send a signal at a time pre-set for doing so when its computer recognizes certain communication problems. The successful attempt to get a response signal came shortly before 9 a.m. Pacific Standard Time.
No single explanation considered so far fits all of the events observed, Theisinger said. When the team tried to replicate the situation in its testing facility at JPL, the testbed rover did not have any trouble communicating. Two of the possibilities under consideration are a corruption of flight software or corruption of computer memory, either of which could leave Spirit's power supply healthy and allow adequate time for recovering control of the rover.
Engineers will continue efforts to understand the situation in preparation for scheduled communication relay sessions using Mars Global Surveyor at 7:10 p.m. PST and Mars Odyssey at 10:35 PST. Efforts to resume direct communications between Spirit and antennas of NASA's Deep Space Network will resume after the rover's expected wake-up at about 3 a.m. PST Friday.
Meanwhile, mission leaders decided to skip an optional trajectory correction maneuver today for Opportunity, the other Mars Exploration Rover. Opportunity is on course to land halfway around Mars from Spirit, in a region called Meridiani Planum, on Jan. 25 (Universal Time and EST; Jan. 24 at 9:05 p.m. PST).
I can imagine a signal sent from Earth thru a storm like that would make a mess...
"Lander, please move forward 3 metres and extend arm, then photograph the surface of the boulder in front of you."
zing BRAZZANCHUMMM zing --->
"Photograph your boulders and extend your moves forward front arm."
No wonder the rovers confused..:D