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DVD Formats...

Okie dokie, i got a DVD +/-R +/-RW burner for christmas, along with +R and -R disks. now while i know the basic differences, organc dye for -R, newer format for +R, etc... etc... i still have a question.

while i know there's no DEFINITE answer, what should i use for DVD players (as in watching on the TV) and what should i use for DVD-ROM drives, and data disks?

From what i've gathered -R for DVD players (to ensure compatability) and +R for Data and DVD-ROM drives. could someone confirm or correct that assumption for me? or give me a little more info?

P.S.

It's a cool drive too, granted it's only Lite-On, but i've not had problems with them (yet).

It's:
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4x -R 4x +R 40x CD-R
2x -RW 4x +RW 24x CD-RW
12x -Read 12x +Read 40x CD-Read
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Not bad ;)
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  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    Use -R in general, since it's the most compatible. If you're only going to be using what you're burning in your (or another) DVD writer, then use whatever you happen to have.
  • Entil'ZhaEntil'Zha I see famous people
    [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Biggles [/i]
    [B]Use -R in general, since it's the most compatible. If you're only going to be using what you're burning in your (or another) DVD writer, then use whatever you happen to have. [/B][/QUOTE]


    yes have some..


    i must concur with Biggles, i accidentally bought +R blanks, and while they play great in my dvd player, they generate read errors on the older players in the house, my burned -r's work on everything in the house.
  • Vertigo1Vertigo1 Official Fuzzy Dice of FirstOnes.com
    -R -RW for standalone player compatability. However, this'll all be rendered a moot point very soon since its now possible to buy dual-layer DVD-R's! (they're being made now....just haven't seen any on shelves yet, and doubt I will till sometime in mid Jan or early Feb...about when XP SP2 gets released.)
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    Won't those need a burner capable of burning dual-layer discs?
  • Vertigo1Vertigo1 Official Fuzzy Dice of FirstOnes.com
    [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Biggles [/i]
    [B]Won't those need a burner capable of burning dual-layer discs? [/B][/QUOTE]

    Any burner capable of burning to both + and - R and RW disks will burn to them just fine and will be able of burning to both layers. Its the +R +RW and -R -RW only drives that'll only be able to read and burn to one layer. I feel sorry for the peeps that were dumb enough to buy those drives because they got screwed bigtime.
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    Oh good. :) But why the +/- ones only?
  • Vertigo1Vertigo1 Official Fuzzy Dice of FirstOnes.com
    [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Biggles [/i]
    [B]Oh good. :) But why the +/- ones only? [/B][/QUOTE]

    They were the first ones out, and prices for them dropped dramatically when the burners that could use both + and - were released.
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    No, I mean why can only burners capable of burning to both + and - media burn both layers of a dual layer disc?
  • Vertigo1Vertigo1 Official Fuzzy Dice of FirstOnes.com
    [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Biggles [/i]
    [B]No, I mean why can only burners capable of burning to both + and - media burn both layers of a dual layer disc? [/B][/QUOTE]

    Because the firmware for the other drives only supports burning to CERTAIN layers. They can burn to the dual layer disks, but to only one layer or the other. Not both. Hense why the people foolish enough to buy those drives are SOL if they want to burn to both layers.
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    Wouldn't that mean it would be possible to upgrade the firmware on those drives to support burning to both layers?
  • so that would mean one could burn a copy of a comercial DVD to ONE dual layer DVD instead of 2 normal DVDs?
  • Vertigo1Vertigo1 Official Fuzzy Dice of FirstOnes.com
    [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Biggles [/i]
    [B]Wouldn't that mean it would be possible to upgrade the firmware on those drives to support burning to both layers? [/B][/QUOTE]

    Possibly, but you run the risk of fubaring your drive since its very likely there have been some hardware changes since then.

    LogicSequence: Yes. That was the biggest gripe people have made, which is why the dual layer disks are being produced for consumer use. They didn't come out initially because of the MPAA bitching about piracy....
  • I've got 2 in my good PC: a Plextor 52x24x52 DVD- and CD-everything, and a 4x2 PoS :D
  • Vertigo1Vertigo1 Official Fuzzy Dice of FirstOnes.com
    [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by the_exile [/i]
    [B]I've got 2 in my good PC: a Plextor 52x24x52 DVD- and CD-everything, and a 4x2 PoS :D [/B][/QUOTE]

    I've got a 40x12x48 CD-RW (Digital Research, which is owned by Iomega) and my Lite-On LDW-411S which writes 4x (DVD+R\DVD-R), 4x (DVD+RW), 2x (DVD-RW), 40x (CD-R), reads DVD-ROMs at 12x, and 24x (CD-RW)...and I love it! :) I love having Freespace 2 on a single DVD-R instead of changing between 3 CDs (or in my case, 3 ISOs via Daemon Tools). (Before anyone starts bitching, I've owned the game for some time now.)

    edit: Matter of fact, I think LogicSequence and I have the same drive. ;)
  • Entil'ZhaEntil'Zha I see famous people
    [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Vertigo1 [/i]
    [B]I've got a 40x12x48 CD-RW (Digital Research, which is owned by Iomega) and my Lite-On LDW-411S which writes 4x (DVD+R\DVD-R), 4x (DVD+RW), 2x (DVD-RW), 40x (CD-R), reads DVD-ROMs at 12x, and 24x (CD-RW)...and I love it! :) I love having Freespace 2 on a single DVD-R instead of changing between 3 CDs (or in my case, 3 ISOs via Daemon Tools). (Before anyone starts bitching, I've owned the game for some time now.)

    edit: Matter of fact, I think LogicSequence and I have the same drive. ;) [/B][/QUOTE]

    I've got a TDK indiDVD 440N +/- R +/- RW that i love.

    Being able to do dual layers will be nice rather than having to re-encode commercial dvd's to fit like i have to do now.
  • ok question... or really bitchstion... why is it that a DVD-R a friend burned me a few months ago works fine in my DVD player but one (DVD-R) i just burned with my new DVD writer and DVD X COPY didn't work in it? it just sat there "reading" for umpteen minutes...?
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    Possibly a bad burn?
  • works fine in my mom's DVD player, and in my DVD-ROM drive...
  • E.TE.T Quote-o-matic
    [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by LogicSequence [/i]
    [B]works fine in my mom's DVD player, and in my DVD-ROM drive... [/B][/QUOTE]
    Maybe compatibility problem with your DVD player.
    (also different DVD writer's write quality varies and your DVD player might require good quality to work)
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    Have you tried any other discs that you've burnt in the player?
  • E.TE.T Quote-o-matic
    [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Biggles [/i]
    [B]Have you tried any other discs that you've burnt in the player? [/B][/QUOTE]
    Try with other "brand".
    All discs doesn't work well with all writers.
  • Vertigo1Vertigo1 Official Fuzzy Dice of FirstOnes.com
    [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by LogicSequence [/i]
    [B]ok question... or really bitchstion... why is it that a DVD-R a friend burned me a few months ago works fine in my DVD player but one (DVD-R) i just burned with my new DVD writer and DVD X COPY didn't work in it? it just sat there "reading" for umpteen minutes...? [/B][/QUOTE]

    Sounds like you have a bad burn problem there bro. Try using DVD Decrypter instead. Its free, and rips DVDs to ISO and IFO images. It can also allow you to burn DVDs without macrovision, and you can leave out useless stuff that takes up space on the disk like other languages, subtitles, etc.

    However, the legality of this program is up in the air so I won't post the URL...but its rediculously easy to find with a google search. It also works with my DVD-RW. :)
  • UPDATE: tried another disk i burned, it works fine in EVERYTHING except my dvd player (like the first disk), so i'm thinking it's time i get a new dvd player (this one is 3 years old)... i doubt it's a bad burn seeing as it works in a newer DVD player, my dvd rom, the dvd rom on my mom's computer, and a friend's dvd player... i'm betting it's just the oldness of my crappy SANYO player...

    so i think i'm gonna get [URL=http://www.apexdigitalinc.com/proddetail.asp?linenumber=70&c=No]this[/URL]. [URL=http://www.dvdrhelp.com/dvdplayers.php?DVDname=apex+ad2600&Search=Search]This,[/URL] is what dvdrhelp.com says it can play, looks good for $50-$60... DVD+/- R/RW VCD, MP3, PCD, WMA, SVCD, CD-R/RW, dvd video with data, XVCD, XSVCD, progressive scan, PAL support, etc...

    P.S.
    i like DVD X COPY... and u can leave out menus and languages and all sorts of shit with DVD X COPY too, it's the best ;)
  • Does anyone know anything about DVD X COPY? i'm just wondering cause i'm unfamiliar with how to get the results i want.. i just burned a dvd, leaving out all but the full screen version of the movie, opting to keep the widescreen version...(everything else fit on a single disc).

    When the burn finished however, the disc is useless... theres no menu on the disc, no way to navigate between features, etc... in fact it won't even play in ANYTHING... (no it's not a bad burn, the data is there and intact, i used windows explorer to see that much). so my question is... how the F do u use DVD X COPY to get the results i want? :)

    I'd really like help with THIS program, not suggestions of other programs to use, if that's possible please :). I just don't want to go downloading this and that and trying whatever, i'd just like to stick with what i have unless there's no other option. thanks...
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    I know nothing about that program, but it's possible you left out the menus by mistake. Menus are also movie data (they're basically a short, looped movie in most cases).
  • i selected everything but the fullscreen version of the movie... there must be some option i'm missing... HELP!
  • Vertigo1Vertigo1 Official Fuzzy Dice of FirstOnes.com
    I'd love to be able to help ya dude...though might I suggest ripping to an ISO and mounting it with Daemon Tools before actually burning it to a disk and wasting 5 bucks?
  • [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Vertigo1 [/i]
    [B]I'd love to be able to help ya dude...though might I suggest ripping to an ISO and mounting it with Daemon Tools before actually burning it to a disk and wasting 5 bucks? [/B][/QUOTE]

    HUH? :: makes bambie eyes :: :confused:
  • Vertigo1Vertigo1 Official Fuzzy Dice of FirstOnes.com
    [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by LogicSequence [/i]
    [B]HUH? :: makes bambie eyes :: :confused: [/B][/QUOTE]

    Can you not use DVD X-Copy to burn an image (ISO)? Take that ISO and mount it via Daemon Tools.
  • [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Vertigo1 [/i]
    [B]Can you not use DVD X-Copy to burn an image (ISO)? Take that ISO and mount it via Daemon Tools. [/B][/QUOTE]

    :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: HUH??? i know what making an image is, but the rest of that is ???? to me....?
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