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ITunes is now for windows!!!
Rogue Trader
Somebody stop him...
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[url]www.apple.com[/url]
The best mp3 player in the world is now on windows!!!!!
The best mp3 player in the world is now on windows!!!!!
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[Edit]DAMN, I wasted my 1337th post on crappy Mac software... :(
[B]Now I can pay money to listen to music! :rolleyes:[/B][/QUOTE]
Jesus, God, what's next? Will they want us to pay for movies? Software? [i]Books?[/i]
And did you know that, when you go to a store, they won't let you take anything out unless you pay them off? Pack of greedy bastards.
:rolleyes:
Maybe the was something to As the Apple Turns' suggestion that Apple call it iKazaa to increase Windows sales.
[B]Jesus, God, what's next? Will they want us to pay for movies? Software? [i]Books?[/i]
And did you know that, when you go to a store, they won't let you take anything out unless you pay them off? Pack of greedy bastards.
:rolleyes:
Maybe the was something to As the Apple Turns' suggestion that Apple call it iKazaa to increase Windows sales. [/B][/QUOTE]
My point was, I'm already getting it free, and am quite happy with that deal.
[QUOTE]You're so cool, the_exile. I want to be just like you.[/QUOTE]
God damnit, why does everyone say that? There can by only one me... :rolleyes:
[B]My point was, I'm already getting it free, and am quite happy with that deal.
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Ah. All right. Hey, I've got an idea that would make [i]me[/i] happy!
Ahem.
Nice place you got here. Sure would be a shame if something [i]happened[/i] to it....
[B]You're about 3 days late on that. :) [/B][/QUOTE]
well i didnt know and nobody posted it here so i went ahead and did my civic duty :D
[B]You're so cool, the_exile. I want to be just like you. [/B][/QUOTE]
Pulls Out lead pipe and says, What did you say.
They do, from alot of people, directly, in the form of cash payment.
From you, they get it indirectly, through karma. They find a buck note flying around in the breeze... never knowing it was YOU who lost it.
(Thats a pretty literal way to describe the actions of karma but I think you get the picture.)
Put another way... that 160 GIGs of stolen music you have... costs about $32000 bucks, if we say 5mb per song at a buck each.
Hmmm... that nice shiny car of yours is worth $32K... KABLOOIE...karma, in the form of a runaway dumptruck cashes in all those karmic cheques your been writing, and totals your car.
Just think of it this way, every time you do something evil/bad/wrong, the universe tallies it up and subtracts it from your positive karma, therefore, misfortune will come your way unless you redress the balance.
I'm not saying for a second I'm without karmic blemish, but... my bad example is no excuse to be a prick.
[B]ha ha your car is gonna blow up the_exile! [/B][/QUOTE]
Hm. You can understand that sentence in two different ways. :)
Either the_exile has just been a software thief or killed a man... hmmm. It's The Car That Killed People!
And my opinion is that the law of the karma -policy applies only as long as there are people that believe in it. Hence, I do.
[B]actually the_exile, you arent getting anything for free. No-one ever does. When a musician and his pals puts 3 to 4 minutes of his or her soul into a recording, he or she deserves to get some form of return on thier input.
They do, from alot of people, directly, in the form of cash payment.
From you, they get it indirectly, through karma. They find a buck note flying around in the breeze... never knowing it was YOU who lost it.
(Thats a pretty literal way to describe the actions of karma but I think you get the picture.)
Put another way... that 160 GIGs of stolen music you have... costs about $32000 bucks, if we say 5mb per song at a buck each.
Hmmm... that nice shiny car of yours is worth $32K... KABLOOIE...karma, in the form of a runaway dumptruck cashes in all those karmic cheques your been writing, and totals your car.
Just think of it this way, every time you do something evil/bad/wrong, the universe tallies it up and subtracts it from your positive karma, therefore, misfortune will come your way unless you redress the balance.
I'm not saying for a second I'm without karmic blemish, but... my bad example is no excuse to be a prick. [/B][/QUOTE]
I really want to comment on this, but I'll save myself a temp-ban, and just say :rolleyes:
- 19.1mb download. For an audio player, this can only be considered excessive.
- It's not customisable. Well, not to the extent that Winamp allows. A few things I wanted to do was get rid of the "Source" subwindow and some of the buttons. I wasn't given the option to do this, so I'm left with a clunky window of stuff I'll never use.
- It's not skinnable. I HATE skins, but we're living in a time where everything is skinned, if only to give the user the freedom to make it look and feel how they like.
- Clicking the button that reduces the window into a smaller version is nice, except you're not given an option to have the playlist open, or at least available, so I have no idea what's next.
- There's no option to skip through a track in the minimal window.
- There's no way of sorting the playlist how you want it. eg. My playlist consists of:
* A
* B
* C
I just wanted to put "A" under "B". A simple task, but iTunes is limited to sorting to the fields you are given. Also due to this limitation, you're not given the option to randomise the playlist.
The positives to iTunes are:
- It looks slick. The metallic look is not overdone. It works well.
- The crossfading is great
I'm sure there are other things that I've overlooked, and I sincerely hope that the things I've outlined have solutions that I didn't see, but in the current state, it will not replace Winamp on my machine.
Sorry Mac people, but don't cling to this program just because it's originally a Mac program. Look at it from a practical point of view. It needs work.
As for the whole MP3 issue, I used to tape songs off the radio, didn't feel bad about that then, don't feel bad about mp3's now ;)
I used winamp for everything until i got a mac. and i started using Itune more and more and more. it is a rather big download, yes but i feel its worth it. It takes over the organizeing of your mp3s in a nice easy way. I love the AAC codec. And ripping a cd is great, and being able to have the cd artwork right there being displayed is cool.
I just love it. :D
for a first version it's sexy and damn good :cool:
though i do think thats pretty big
[B]
- It's not customisable. Well, not to the extent that Winamp allows. A few things I wanted to do was get rid of the "Source" subwindow and some of the buttons. I wasn't given the option to do this, so I'm left with a clunky window of stuff I'll never use. [/quote][/b]
Oh, you'll want to use the Source subwindow. More on that in a moment, though.
[quote][b]- There's no option to skip through a track in the minimal window. [/b][/quote]
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your problem, but in the minimal window, you can either hit the forward or backward arrow keys, or click once on the fast forward or rewind buttons. Either way, you'll advance or recede one track.
[quote][b]- There's no way of sorting the playlist how you want it. eg. My playlist consists of:
* A
* B
* C
I just wanted to put "A" under "B". A simple task, but iTunes is limited to sorting to the fields you are given. Also due to this limitation, you're not given the option to randomize the playlist.[/quote][/b]
Remember the source subwindow? It's about to come in handy.
The main playlist in iTunes isn't quite a playlist at all. It's called the "Library" for a reason. All it is is a list of every song on your harddrive (or, if you do something silly, like I did once, every single iTunes-compatable sound file on your harddrive). If you want to have every song in your collection, all in your own order, than select "New Playlist" from your file menu, select all of the songs in your library, and drag them over, to be ordered to your little heart's content.
Why you would want to do this, I have no idea. My own collection is diverse enough that if I just listened the library, I would jump between Sinatra, Allen Sherman, the soundtrack to Thirdspace, and a soundfile of Dilbert arguing with his alarm clock.
No, more likely, you would like to make many playlists (my tally: 45 Playlists, 9 Smart Playlists), divided into some sort of categorical scheme. I have a playlist for every album I own, for example. Typically, when I want to mix and match, I make a smart playlist (so I don't have to worry about updating it later), and set it to play randomly (the little pair of squiggly arrows, bottom left corner, second from the edge). But no, anything aside from the library and a CD sitting in your drive, any playlist can be ordered. And now that I think about it, you can probably reorder the CD, too, at least while it's in your machine.
[quote][b]I'm sure there are other things that I've overlooked, and I sincerely hope that the things I've outlined have solutions that I didn't see, but in the current state, it will not replace Winamp on my machine.[/quote][/b]
I hope the things you outlined have solutions, too, because if not, then I would seem to be quite mad. ;)
[quote][b]Sorry Mac people, but don't cling to this program just because it's originally a Mac program.
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No one's expecting you to 'cling' to it. Why, I almost don't want you using my software if you just try to use it like another program and are annoyed when it doesn't "work".
Helpful tip #583: When learning to play chess, it is a bad idea to begin under the assumption that it works exactly the same as checkers. Don't let the board fool you.
[quote][b]Look at it from a practical point of view. It needs work.[/b][/quote]
I disagree. Three instances of operator error, one thing you don't even [i]want[/i] it to have, a complaint that already starkly minimalistic should be customizable, presumably to suck the last bit of utility from the brushed metal frame at the user's discretion, and that it's too big a download does not mean "it needs work" (along with the implicit "and is three steps to the left of unusable otherwise"). The only thing I'd consider valid in your review is that the download is too big, and that's a one-time inconvenience.
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Okay, looking back over it, that was a bit mean.
Listen, I'm sorry, but it's fantastically difficult to avoid being snippy when someone complains that something doesn't work when the endlessly useful included 'Help' program could tell you how to do it in under a minute (not that it’s [url=http://www.appleturns.com/scene/?id=4277]rare[/url] apparently).
:p
to add to the arguement
It's roughly analogues to someone killing sick people in a hospital, and then saying it's okay because the drug companies were killing them by stifling research so that the patients would have to buy pharmaceuticals, and thus the murderer was merely doing the same thing, except more 'mercifully' (by putting the victims out of their misery).
Now, if you think that would fly in a court of law, or anywhere else for that matter, than you need help that is beyond my ability to provide.
*You know, given that Apple [i]already[/i] had a huge internet infrastructure set up, and is [i]still[/i] expecting to lose money on the whole thing, I have to wonder how long copycats like buymusic.com (who started from scratch) are planning to last, especially since they advertise prices as low as $.79 (though they only sell about three songs at that price, most being $.99 or even $1.29. But still...)
**I'd love to see the writers of that website espouse their beliefs to Steve Jobs's face. Preferably in an elevator, to up their squirm-factor. Well, maybe an elevator would be a bad idea. I'd have to be pretty close to the thing to see it, and there may be a fair amount of splatter....
[B]I really want to comment on this, but I'll save myself a temp-ban, and just say :rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]
In other words, you can't counter his arguement with actual logic. Concession accepted.
[B]In other words, you can't counter his arguement with actual logic. Concession accepted. [/B][/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, but is there any logic to the belief in Karma that requires argument? But if you want me to argue about it... alright.
I do not have 160 Gigs of music, or even 160 Gigs of HD space. I have, according to my Music folder, 300 songs on my hard drive. His argument states that I am stealing from the artists, the people who wrote the songs, so at $0.11 each, I have stolen $33... 2 CDs in stores, not counting tax--and much less than 100% of that goes to the artists, anyways. Maybe that "runaway dump truck" will knick the paint on my new car's fender... :rolleyes:
[B]According to MS, we shouldn't use iTunes for Windows. It supposedly limits our choices in programs to use for media. In other words, it isn't made by MS so it's bad for us. [/B][/QUOTE]
Is this the same Microsoft whose Media Player imports songs into a proprietary format, forcing me to spend quite a while finding and using a .wma to .mp3 converter when I installed iTunes on my dad's wintel laptop, turning a two-minute long process into a few hours of work? That Microsoft?
Screw 'em.
hmmmmm?
[B]Is this the same Microsoft whose Media Player imports songs into a proprietary format, forcing me to spend quite a while finding and using a .wma to .mp3 converter when I installed iTunes on my dad's wintel laptop, turning a two-minute long process into a few hours of work? That Microsoft?
Screw 'em. [/B][/QUOTE]
You actually look for a convertor? Just record the audio into a WAV and use CDex to convert it to mp3. (CDex is by far the best CD ripper I've ever used....and its open source!)
[B]I'm sorry, but is there any logic to the belief in Karma that requires argument? But if you want me to argue about it... alright.
I do not have 160 Gigs of music, or even 160 Gigs of HD space. I have, according to my Music folder, 300 songs on my hard drive. His argument states that I am stealing from the artists, the people who wrote the songs, so at $0.11 each, I have stolen $33... 2 CDs in stores, not counting tax--and much less than 100% of that goes to the artists, anyways. Maybe that "runaway dump truck" will knick the paint on my new car's fender... :rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]
Aye, but there is more put into CDs than what the artists make. You've got the cover art, any extra tidbits in the front cover, the stuff on the back, and paying for the mass production of all of this. Granted, if you do the math its not really costing them a whole lot to justify the $15 - $20 they charge, but its definitely not free.
Now your typical artist will only see MAYBE 1% of that $15 - 20 if they're lucky. I fully admit that I download music. However, most of it is either stuff that I already have on CD (and am too lazy to rip myself), or something I want to check out. If I like it, I'll keep the mp3 and mark that artist on the "to buy" list and I pick it up when I get around to it. If I don't, it goes into the bin to never be seen again. I'm sorry, but I'm not wasting $20 on a CD that has only like one or two songs that I like. Fuck that. Money doesn't grow on trees, and I don't think many of us can afford to just shell out $20 for only a couple of songs. Unfortunately, the RIAA doesn't like this because it shows that we actually HAVE taste and don't want to throw our money away to fill their already stuffed wallets. THATS why they're going after song swappers. Trust me folks, they're not exactly going broke over Kazaa.....
Now in comes iTunes which charges 99 cents for music in an already compressed format. That made quite a few people happy because they're paying for a legit copy of the song, [b]and[/b] its already in a compressed format so they don't have to worry about some dipshit that doesn't know how to rip a song properly leaving hisses and skips all over the place. The only downside was that only people with macs could run the software. Even with that limitation, they made money hand over fist overnight. RIAA isn't exactly happy about it, but there isn't anything they can do about it legally.