If anyone lurking out there knows of people who are into interactive storytelling, interactive drama - things like that. Please tell them about the on-going discussion at the B5:ITF Dynamic Campaign topic. Thanks.
Though I'm not a programer, I've been following that thread with great interest. Some off the discussion they have been having seem to be on the cutting edge of gaming. It like one big brainstorming session.
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[i]This is crazy. I hope I haven't brain my damaged.[/i]
I mean, if I went 'round saying I was an emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
Well Grant and I have engineering training, so we're good at brainstorming. And we all enjoy the topic so the ideas just keep flowing. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
Definetaly a forum to follow. GrantNZ has brought out some discussions that have been fermenting in the minds of several people for apparently quite some timme.
As Randy and I discovered during the email version, the problem is needing a branching tree structure for the conversation.
Trying to follow the thread in linear fashon is painful. The layers of reference to previous posts, as well as the intermixed overlapped nature of the debate are frustrating to try to unravel in the uninterrupted blocks of 15-30 minutes I (and I believe others) can manage to scrape together at one sitting (usually late at night or over lunch at work).
(Note: this is in [b]absolutely no way[/b] a criticism of FO or UBB. Just UBB's suitability to large branching threaded discussions)
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
15-30 minutes? You people need to be more devoted! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
Hey Randy are you looking for people in the software biz only? Or do you want TV/theater writers and producers too?
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"And there is nothing more dangerous then a man with nothing to lose. Nothing to live for and nothing to prove."
[i]Brendan Perry, Dead Can Dance[/i]
I started following the thread, but I went away for a bit and now it is just growing faster than I can keep up (admins, is there a way to get the whole forum as a text file to read at my liesure???). I'm currently developing (spare time only) a "game" with an interactive dram element, and what I've read I've found very usefull and I've gained alot of direction and stuff...
I'm gonna try and catch up, and join in if I can...
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Capt. Awlrich: Squadron Leader 7.star squadron UK
[url="http://www.seven-point-star.co.uk/"]http://www.seven-point-star.co.uk/[/url]
currently down...
[quote]Originally posted by Hartsblade:
[b]Hey Randy are you looking for people in the software biz only? Or do you want TV/theater writers and producers too?
[/b][/quote]
Anybody with an interest in brainstorming what interactive storytelling/ interactive drama could/should be like - anyone with ideas. A mindmeld of people coming from the writing/drama side and interested programmers would be ideal.
For those uninitiated to the needs of and reality of, interactivity as it stands now, there could be a new appreciation.
For those coming from programming backgrounds, but with an interest in storytelling and drama, there could be a new awareness of, and appreciation of, the needs of storytelling and drama.
Both sides -the dramatist/storyteller, and the programmer- need to appreciate and respect the other and realize that working towards a synergy as the most productive goal, IMO.
I think that we also need the creation of a common language (or at least a common background) that can work as an interface between the tools of storytelling/ drama and the tools of programming.
This could be an entertainment renaissance, but it will take an interdisciplinary approach.
[This message has been edited by Randy (edited 11-08-2001).]
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
[quote]Originally posted by Randy:
[b]I think that we also need the creation of a common language (or at least a common background) that can work as an interface between the tools of storytelling/ drama and the tools of programming.[/b][/quote]
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
The jedi don't give an RA about what [i]I[/i] want to do at night. Their desires are my demands! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/tongue.gif[/img]
(for those just joing us, the [i]jedi[/i] are a short-hand reference to my nine month old twin daughters...)
Now, I might be the only one with those annoying time constraints imposed by "reality", but I am betting not... [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]
-- john
p.s. "reality" is the only word in the language that should always be used in quotes. --MLwtTKK
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
You have a wife, don't you?
[img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
[b]*Ducks*[/b]
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
Ohh, another thread! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img] [i]*Grant starts proliferating.*[/i]
[quote]As Randy and I discovered during the email version, the problem is needing a branching tree structure for the conversation.[/quote]
Heheheheh. If we can fix the forum problem, perhaps we can apply the solution to game conversations. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]
I agree with the people who say we need a area/newsgroup/whatever dedicated to the topic. Can one be created here, or elsewhere of use?
Randy has said it well - anyone with ideas is welcome and necessary. Programming is just the implementation - the foundation is story/drama. To implement it, we [i]do[/i] need a solid system, but even dramatic people with little system design skills can tell whether a system will fail, and offer viewpoints that designers overlook.
[quote]The jedi don't give an RA about what I want to do at night.[/quote]
Ahhh. Learnt young, the Jedi mind trick. A slave you will be. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
I sense much beer in me...
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
Well. I'm sure we'll attract lots of scholars now. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
Ah, well. Resistance is futile. May as well open a pint.
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
Another one is turned to the dark (and bubbly) side. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
And I'll drink the sixth!
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
I expect to be placated by interactive conceptualists packing PhD's, flocking periodically to our palace of pundits, pursuing plausible plans, any moment now.
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
Any moment now...
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
[quote]Originally posted by Randy:
[b]I expect to be placated by interactive conceptualists packing PhD's, flocking periodically to our palace of pundits, pursuing plausible plans, any moment now. [/b][/quote]
Sober or sloshed? [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
*heads fer da hills*
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May the fleas of a thousand camels infest the groin and armpits of the idiot(s) who created the concept of "political correctness."
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[i]This is crazy. I hope I haven't brain my damaged.[/i]
I mean, if I went 'round saying I was an emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
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bobo
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B5:ITF
Trying to follow the thread in linear fashon is painful. The layers of reference to previous posts, as well as the intermixed overlapped nature of the debate are frustrating to try to unravel in the uninterrupted blocks of 15-30 minutes I (and I believe others) can manage to scrape together at one sitting (usually late at night or over lunch at work).
(Note: this is in [b]absolutely no way[/b] a criticism of FO or UBB. Just UBB's suitability to large branching threaded discussions)
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
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"And there is nothing more dangerous then a man with nothing to lose. Nothing to live for and nothing to prove."
[i]Brendan Perry, Dead Can Dance[/i]
I'm gonna try and catch up, and join in if I can...
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Capt. Awlrich: Squadron Leader 7.star squadron UK
[url="http://www.seven-point-star.co.uk/"]http://www.seven-point-star.co.uk/[/url]
currently down...
[b]Hey Randy are you looking for people in the software biz only? Or do you want TV/theater writers and producers too?
[/b][/quote]
Anybody with an interest in brainstorming what interactive storytelling/ interactive drama could/should be like - anyone with ideas. A mindmeld of people coming from the writing/drama side and interested programmers would be ideal.
For those uninitiated to the needs of and reality of, interactivity as it stands now, there could be a new appreciation.
For those coming from programming backgrounds, but with an interest in storytelling and drama, there could be a new awareness of, and appreciation of, the needs of storytelling and drama.
Both sides -the dramatist/storyteller, and the programmer- need to appreciate and respect the other and realize that working towards a synergy as the most productive goal, IMO.
I think that we also need the creation of a common language (or at least a common background) that can work as an interface between the tools of storytelling/ drama and the tools of programming.
This could be an entertainment renaissance, but it will take an interdisciplinary approach.
[This message has been edited by Randy (edited 11-08-2001).]
[b]I think that we also need the creation of a common language (or at least a common background) that can work as an interface between the tools of storytelling/ drama and the tools of programming.[/b][/quote]
Plexor!
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
The jedi don't give an RA about what [i]I[/i] want to do at night. Their desires are my demands! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/tongue.gif[/img]
(for those just joing us, the [i]jedi[/i] are a short-hand reference to my nine month old twin daughters...)
Now, I might be the only one with those annoying time constraints imposed by "reality", but I am betting not... [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]
-- john
p.s. "reality" is the only word in the language that should always be used in quotes. --MLwtTKK
[img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
[b]*Ducks*[/b]
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
(you cannot escape the warth of fwap) [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/shyshad.gif[/img]
they are the single biggest life commitment you can make...
but they are rewarding, just like every trial and test put before you in life.
and I can understand why John calls his sprogs Jedi...
'you cannot go about your business'
'you do not need to sleep'
'you do not need sex'
'you will feed me'
'you will clean my bottom'
[img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
[quote]As Randy and I discovered during the email version, the problem is needing a branching tree structure for the conversation.[/quote]
Heheheheh. If we can fix the forum problem, perhaps we can apply the solution to game conversations. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]
I agree with the people who say we need a area/newsgroup/whatever dedicated to the topic. Can one be created here, or elsewhere of use?
Randy has said it well - anyone with ideas is welcome and necessary. Programming is just the implementation - the foundation is story/drama. To implement it, we [i]do[/i] need a solid system, but even dramatic people with little system design skills can tell whether a system will fail, and offer viewpoints that designers overlook.
[quote]The jedi don't give an RA about what I want to do at night.[/quote]
Ahhh. Learnt young, the Jedi mind trick. A slave you will be. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
- PJH
I must obey my Meister Brau...
Ah, well. Resistance is futile. May as well open a pint.
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
I'll Drink the Fifth on that one...
[img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
Er, this isn't really helping Randy, is it. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
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[b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
soon
(/vorlon voice)
[This message has been edited by eamonmca (edited 11-11-2001).]
[b]I expect to be placated by interactive conceptualists packing PhD's, flocking periodically to our palace of pundits, pursuing plausible plans, any moment now. [/b][/quote]
Sober or sloshed? [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
*heads fer da hills*
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May the fleas of a thousand camels infest the groin and armpits of the idiot(s) who created the concept of "political correctness."
Just another stubborn Naval Reservist...
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