[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Morden279 [/i]
[B]Just the truth, old boy... ;)
Hey, I don't for a minute make generalizations about the US military, it's just unfortionate that people have this perception of them being "jar-heads". Personally, I'd only talk from experience, and I agree with you. I've chatted with a former US Army Ranger over the internet, and he was a pretty well-informed guy.
Regards,
Morden [/B][/QUOTE]
Its because most of the military is still from a rural background, and they are above all else amazingly plain spoken, forthright and practical minded, peoples more "refined".. oh hell most suburbanites are full of shit, anyways the more "refinined" sensibilities get offended by that.
frankly its actualy a true manifestation of classism and elietism, that an amazingly large amount of liberals seem to hold, and its directed at those people such as police and the military. They dont realize that one of the critical things holding society togeather, is the consent of those individuals who serve, to support the society, in the face of those who dont consent and are merely motivated by coersion.
and wow, Im tired and Ive been drinking I should go to bed.
Just so it's clear, the address should look like this:
CPT Aaron Luck
B/2-327 IN
Unit 96024
APO AE 09325-6024
With that cleared up, can someone explian what exactly Captain,Simmonds is rambling about? [/B][/QUOTE]
Simmonds is being.. difficult and obnoxious, seems to be that he believs servicemen are all trigger happy rednecks.
oh speaking of such things, if anybody bitches about the amount of times I posted, Im gonna go all trigger happy redneck over them, Ill fix it when Im awake!
Simmonds, until you have a f*cking clue what you are talking about, please refrain from posting about this subject. My grandfather served in WWII in the Marines. IF not for our men who died (ours, meaning all allied forces) you'd be speaking german now.
My uncle served in Vietnam in the 1st air Cav. Guess what, the war finally killed him last yeat. He fought the cancer from Agent Orange, but in hte end it was too much. You know how many other thousands have died since the end of Vietnam. It is terrible the way they were treated when they came home (if they made it home).
Simmonds, you must realize that the military is not a political body in the way you seem to think it is. They may not even support half the policies they are expected to inforce. I can guarantee you that there are many American "trigger happy rednecks" in Iraq who would love to be anywhere else, and who dispise the war. So dont generalize, and until you learn some facts STFU.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by rhett [/i]
[B]Simmonds, until you have a f*cking clue what you are talking about, please refrain from posting about this subject. My grandfather served in WWII in the Marines. IF not for our men who died (ours, meaning all allied forces) you'd be speaking german now. [/B][/QUOTE]
Actually, the Germans were being massacred by the Russians already, and wouldnt have stood a chance against an eastern invasion. When the American and English troops started advancing, Germany had already lost.
Hence. We would be speaking Russian, not German, had the English speaking troops not arrived (I dont really know about that even, since we dont speak english here now).
Anyway, I dont believe your ancestors are being challenged here. I think Simmonds is speaking about the United States Army as a whole. I am amased every time people read too much into a small post. This is one of those times. Calm down people. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Messiah [/i]
[B]Anyway, I dont believe your ancestors are being challenged here. I think Simmonds is speaking about the United States Army as a whole. I am amased every time people read too much into a small post. This is one of those times. Calm down people. :rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]
Simmonds' statement was broad enough to cause offense, past and present. If he only meant the US Army of today, I think he would have specified so. He had every oppertunity to re-phrase or rectify his comment, but he didn't.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Messiah [/i]
[B]Actually, the Germans were being massacred by the Russians already, and wouldnt have stood a chance against an eastern invasion. When the American and English troops started advancing, Germany had already lost.
Hence. We would be speaking Russian, not German, had the English speaking troops not arrived (I dont really know about that even, since we dont speak english here now).
Anyway, I dont believe your ancestors are being challenged here. I think Simmonds is speaking about the United States Army as a whole. I am amased every time people read too much into a small post. This is one of those times. Calm down people. :rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]
Actually I think he was just running his mouth off for the sake of getting a few cheap hits in about something he's obviously biased against and has no real knowledge about other than outdated stereotypes and anti-americanisms.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Lennier [/i]
[B]Actually I think he was just running his mouth off for the sake of getting a few cheap hits in about something he's obviously biased against and has no real knowledge about other than outdated stereotypes and anti-americanisms.
But thats just me. [/B][/QUOTE]
Actually, I think that's what [i]everyone[/i] thinks...
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Messiah [/i]
[B]Actually, the Germans were being massacred by the Russians already, and wouldnt have stood a chance against an eastern invasion. When the American and English troops started advancing, Germany had already lost.
Hence. We would be speaking Russian, not German, had the English speaking troops not arrived (I dont really know about that even, since we dont speak english here now).
Anyway, I dont believe your ancestors are being challenged here. I think Simmonds is speaking about the United States Army as a whole. I am amased every time people read too much into a small post. This is one of those times. Calm down people. :rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah, it wasnt american blood that won that war, it was american steel
and it wasnt tanks or planes, although the US provided Russia with about 20 to 30 percent of its arsenal in both of those catagories..
nope, it was the fact that we provided like 60 perecent or more of the real war winners! trucks!, ahh god bless GMC and Peterbuilt ;)
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Morden279 [/i]
[B][i]"You're using carts, what were you thinking!? Say hello to Ford and General Motors, you dumb Nazi fucks!"[/i]
Messiah, it's a well known fact that mass-production and industry won the war. Quantity over quality.
Regards,
Morden [/B][/QUOTE]
Well, it's not like they aren't quality, too... Just look at this American-made USP! Solid as a rock!
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by the_exile [/i]
[B]Well, it's not like they aren't quality, too... Just look at this American-made USP! Solid as a rock! [/B][/QUOTE]
ShadowDancerWhen I say, "Why aye, gadgie," in my heart I say, "Och aye, laddie."London, UK
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Morden279 [/i]
[B][i]"You're using carts, what were you thinking!? Say hello to Ford and General Motors, you dumb Nazi fucks!"[/i]
Messiah, it's a well known fact that mass-production and industry won the war. Quantity over quality.
Regards,
Morden [/B][/QUOTE]
True, tho as i understand it, the quality wasnt all that bad either.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Messiah [/i]
[B]I dont like it. The sooner Americans, English and Danish troops get out of there and instead let the UN decide what should be done, the better. [/B][/QUOTE]
Is this the same UN under whose auspices, UN-sponsored troops sat and just let the Srebenica (sp?) massacre happen?
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Captain,Simmonds [/i]
[B]The US armed forces are nothing but a pile of Trigger happy red necks.
*EDIT*
And what sickens me the most, is that they get away with it. [/B][/QUOTE]
I have one thing to say about such an uneducated pile of bull pucky. I know several people...people I care a great deal for...who are in the U.S. Armed Forces, and all of whom I would consider very good and close friends. Without exception, they are all amazingly intelligent, kind and polite people. They run the gamut from programmer/system administrator/Marine rifleman to enginer/draftsman(woman)/Air Force flight navigator to US Army light infantry to US Army infantry to US Army helicopter pilot...and the list goes on.
Your comment offends me. Your continued inability to grasp the concepts and events of this world in anything other than sweeping generalities offends me. Your irrational tirades, rants and raves against all American offends me. Your inability to grasp the simple concept of tact offends me. Your complete lack of a clue and painting of all members of the US Armed Forces as trigger happy rednecks rather than the hard-working good people they tend to be...offends me. Your thoughtless insult of many of my good friends who happen to serve the country of my birth and residence to pay it back for all the freedoms they've enjoyed...offends me. To sum it up...you offend me.
That said, even though you are not of this country, I support your right to make a complete and utter jackass of yourself, time and time again. Go at it, and enjoy.
Just try actually learning something about which you speak, rather that spewing forth this uneducated garbage, next time you post. That could work wonders for your reputation here.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Morden279 [/i]
[B][i]"You're using carts, what were you thinking!? Say hello to Ford and General Motors, you dumb Nazi fucks!"[/i]
Messiah, it's a well known fact that mass-production and industry won the war. Quantity over quality.
Regards,
Morden [/B][/QUOTE]
They were too! most of the german logistics was still horse drawn!
the side with the best logistics network wins, its a fact of warfare :)
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by JohnD [/i]
[B]I have one thing to say about such an uneducated pile of bull pucky. I know several people...people I care a great deal for...who are in the U.S. Armed Forces, and all of whom I would consider very good and close friends. Without exception, they are all amazingly intelligent, kind and polite people. They run the gamut from programmer/system administrator/Marine rifleman to enginer/draftsman(woman)/Air Force flight navigator to US Army light infantry to US Army infantry to US Army helicopter pilot...and the list goes on.
Your comment offends me. Your continued inability to grasp the concepts and events of this world in anything other than sweeping generalities offends me. Your irrational tirades, rants and raves against all American offends me. Your inability to grasp the simple concept of tact offends me. Your complete lack of a clue and painting of all members of the US Armed Forces as trigger happy rednecks rather than the hard-working good people they tend to be...offends me. Your thoughtless insult of many of my good friends who happen to serve the country of my birth and residence to pay it back for all the freedoms they've enjoyed...offends me. To sum it up...you offend me.
That said, even though you are not of this country, I support your right to make a complete and utter jackass of yourself, time and time again. Go at it, and enjoy.
Just try actually learning something about which you speak, rather that spewing forth this uneducated garbage, next time you post. That could work wonders for your reputation here. [/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by JohnD [/i]
[B]Is this the same UN under whose auspices, UN-sponsored troops sat and just let the Srebenica (sp?) massacre happen? [/B][/QUOTE]
If I recall correctly, are not the Dutch looking at some war crimes acusations for even activly semi helping the Serbs? facilitating what was essentialy a round of up most of the male population, and then handing them over to the serbs.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyvar [/i]
[B]They were too! most of the german logistics was still horse drawn! [/B][/QUOTE]
That's one of my favorite quotes from "Band of Brothers", a fantastic series if you haen't seen it already. (Got the lot on DVD.)
Regards,
Morden
ShadowDancerWhen I say, "Why aye, gadgie," in my heart I say, "Och aye, laddie."London, UK
[QUOTE]I dont like it. The sooner Americans, English and Danish troops get out of there and instead let the UN decide what should be done, the better. [/QUOTE]
Trouble with that i think is that us Brits would probably just turn around and head back out there! Why? Because our armed forces are some of the best in the world!
[QUOTE]That's one of my favorite quotes from "Band of Brothers", a fantastic series if you haen't seen it already. (Got the lot on DVD.)[/QUOTE]
I would get it but as im off to uni next week, i dont think i'll be affording it any time soon:(
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by JohnD [/i]
[B] *snip*
Just try actually learning something about which you speak, rather that spewing forth this uneducated garbage, next time you post. That could work wonders for your reputation here. [/B][/QUOTE]
Thats if anyone even bothers listening to his drivel anymore. I think he's taken the hint and gone away. (hopefully for good)
I never like to see a board member go, but frankly, Simmonds was asking for trouble. If he didn't like the response he got, that's tough, he should have expected it.
Regards,
Morden
ShadowDancerWhen I say, "Why aye, gadgie," in my heart I say, "Och aye, laddie."London, UK
As a friend of mine once said: 'Too bad, so sad......whats for lunch?'
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ShadowDancer [/i]
[B]I just had a parma ham and parmasan pizza! mmmmmm........pizzaaa!!!!!:D [/B][/QUOTE]
Heh. I had some stuffed chicken I made a couple of days ago...boneless chicken breast pounded flat and rolled with a stuffing of Italian dried sausage finely chopped, bread crumbs, garlic, egg to bind it and Italian dressing to moisten it. Then, cover it with a can of whole canned tomato and bake while covered with foil.
ShadowDancerWhen I say, "Why aye, gadgie," in my heart I say, "Och aye, laddie."London, UK
aaahhhhhhhhh.......*drool*
ever had stuffed olive leaves?........fine!!! what is it they put in them?
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[B]Just the truth, old boy... ;)
Hey, I don't for a minute make generalizations about the US military, it's just unfortionate that people have this perception of them being "jar-heads". Personally, I'd only talk from experience, and I agree with you. I've chatted with a former US Army Ranger over the internet, and he was a pretty well-informed guy.
Regards,
Morden [/B][/QUOTE]
Its because most of the military is still from a rural background, and they are above all else amazingly plain spoken, forthright and practical minded, peoples more "refined".. oh hell most suburbanites are full of shit, anyways the more "refinined" sensibilities get offended by that.
frankly its actualy a true manifestation of classism and elietism, that an amazingly large amount of liberals seem to hold, and its directed at those people such as police and the military. They dont realize that one of the critical things holding society togeather, is the consent of those individuals who serve, to support the society, in the face of those who dont consent and are merely motivated by coersion.
and wow, Im tired and Ive been drinking I should go to bed.
[B]Um....
Just so it's clear, the address should look like this:
CPT Aaron Luck
B/2-327 IN
Unit 96024
APO AE 09325-6024
With that cleared up, can someone explian what exactly Captain,Simmonds is rambling about? [/B][/QUOTE]
Simmonds is being.. difficult and obnoxious, seems to be that he believs servicemen are all trigger happy rednecks.
oh speaking of such things, if anybody bitches about the amount of times I posted, Im gonna go all trigger happy redneck over them, Ill fix it when Im awake!
No worries on your multiple posts as well, if you've got something valid to say, say it.
Regards,
Morden
My uncle served in Vietnam in the 1st air Cav. Guess what, the war finally killed him last yeat. He fought the cancer from Agent Orange, but in hte end it was too much. You know how many other thousands have died since the end of Vietnam. It is terrible the way they were treated when they came home (if they made it home).
Simmonds, you must realize that the military is not a political body in the way you seem to think it is. They may not even support half the policies they are expected to inforce. I can guarantee you that there are many American "trigger happy rednecks" in Iraq who would love to be anywhere else, and who dispise the war. So dont generalize, and until you learn some facts STFU.
[B]IF not for our men who died (ours, meaning all allied forces) you'd be speaking german now.
My uncle served in Vietnam in the 1st air Cav. Guess what, the war finally killed him last yeat. [/B][/QUOTE]
That's the argument I always use, and it's true.
BTW: I'm sorry for your loss, rhett.
Regards,
Morden
[B]Simmonds, until you have a f*cking clue what you are talking about, please refrain from posting about this subject. My grandfather served in WWII in the Marines. IF not for our men who died (ours, meaning all allied forces) you'd be speaking german now. [/B][/QUOTE]
Actually, the Germans were being massacred by the Russians already, and wouldnt have stood a chance against an eastern invasion. When the American and English troops started advancing, Germany had already lost.
Hence. We would be speaking Russian, not German, had the English speaking troops not arrived (I dont really know about that even, since we dont speak english here now).
Anyway, I dont believe your ancestors are being challenged here. I think Simmonds is speaking about the United States Army as a whole. I am amased every time people read too much into a small post. This is one of those times. Calm down people. :rolleyes:
[B]Anyway, I dont believe your ancestors are being challenged here. I think Simmonds is speaking about the United States Army as a whole. I am amased every time people read too much into a small post. This is one of those times. Calm down people. :rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]
Simmonds' statement was broad enough to cause offense, past and present. If he only meant the US Army of today, I think he would have specified so. He had every oppertunity to re-phrase or rectify his comment, but he didn't.
Regards,
Morden
[B]Actually, the Germans were being massacred by the Russians already, and wouldnt have stood a chance against an eastern invasion. When the American and English troops started advancing, Germany had already lost.
Hence. We would be speaking Russian, not German, had the English speaking troops not arrived (I dont really know about that even, since we dont speak english here now).
Anyway, I dont believe your ancestors are being challenged here. I think Simmonds is speaking about the United States Army as a whole. I am amased every time people read too much into a small post. This is one of those times. Calm down people. :rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]
Actually I think he was just running his mouth off for the sake of getting a few cheap hits in about something he's obviously biased against and has no real knowledge about other than outdated stereotypes and anti-americanisms.
But thats just me.
[B]Actually I think he was just running his mouth off for the sake of getting a few cheap hits in about something he's obviously biased against and has no real knowledge about other than outdated stereotypes and anti-americanisms.
But thats just me. [/B][/QUOTE]
Actually, I think that's what [i]everyone[/i] thinks...
Regards,
Morden
[B]Actually, the Germans were being massacred by the Russians already, and wouldnt have stood a chance against an eastern invasion. When the American and English troops started advancing, Germany had already lost.
Hence. We would be speaking Russian, not German, had the English speaking troops not arrived (I dont really know about that even, since we dont speak english here now).
Anyway, I dont believe your ancestors are being challenged here. I think Simmonds is speaking about the United States Army as a whole. I am amased every time people read too much into a small post. This is one of those times. Calm down people. :rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah, it wasnt american blood that won that war, it was american steel
and it wasnt tanks or planes, although the US provided Russia with about 20 to 30 percent of its arsenal in both of those catagories..
nope, it was the fact that we provided like 60 perecent or more of the real war winners! trucks!, ahh god bless GMC and Peterbuilt ;)
[B] trucks!, ahh god bless GMC and Peterbuilt ;) [/B][/QUOTE]
[i]"You're using carts, what were you thinking!? Say hello to Ford and General Motors, you dumb Nazi fucks!"[/i]
Messiah, it's a well known fact that mass-production and industry won the war. Quantity over quality.
Regards,
Morden
[B][i]"You're using carts, what were you thinking!? Say hello to Ford and General Motors, you dumb Nazi fucks!"[/i]
Messiah, it's a well known fact that mass-production and industry won the war. Quantity over quality.
Regards,
Morden [/B][/QUOTE]
Well, it's not like they aren't quality, too... Just look at this American-made USP! Solid as a rock!
[B]Well, it's not like they aren't quality, too... Just look at this American-made USP! Solid as a rock! [/B][/QUOTE]
We're talking about World War 2.
Regards,
Morden
[B][i]"You're using carts, what were you thinking!? Say hello to Ford and General Motors, you dumb Nazi fucks!"[/i]
Messiah, it's a well known fact that mass-production and industry won the war. Quantity over quality.
Regards,
Morden [/B][/QUOTE]
True, tho as i understand it, the quality wasnt all that bad either.
[B]I dont like it. The sooner Americans, English and Danish troops get out of there and instead let the UN decide what should be done, the better. [/B][/QUOTE]
Is this the same UN under whose auspices, UN-sponsored troops sat and just let the Srebenica (sp?) massacre happen?
[B]The US armed forces are nothing but a pile of Trigger happy red necks.
*EDIT*
And what sickens me the most, is that they get away with it. [/B][/QUOTE]
I have one thing to say about such an uneducated pile of bull pucky. I know several people...people I care a great deal for...who are in the U.S. Armed Forces, and all of whom I would consider very good and close friends. Without exception, they are all amazingly intelligent, kind and polite people. They run the gamut from programmer/system administrator/Marine rifleman to enginer/draftsman(woman)/Air Force flight navigator to US Army light infantry to US Army infantry to US Army helicopter pilot...and the list goes on.
Your comment offends me. Your continued inability to grasp the concepts and events of this world in anything other than sweeping generalities offends me. Your irrational tirades, rants and raves against all American offends me. Your inability to grasp the simple concept of tact offends me. Your complete lack of a clue and painting of all members of the US Armed Forces as trigger happy rednecks rather than the hard-working good people they tend to be...offends me. Your thoughtless insult of many of my good friends who happen to serve the country of my birth and residence to pay it back for all the freedoms they've enjoyed...offends me. To sum it up...you offend me.
That said, even though you are not of this country, I support your right to make a complete and utter jackass of yourself, time and time again. Go at it, and enjoy.
Just try actually learning something about which you speak, rather that spewing forth this uneducated garbage, next time you post. That could work wonders for your reputation here.
[B][i]"You're using carts, what were you thinking!? Say hello to Ford and General Motors, you dumb Nazi fucks!"[/i]
Messiah, it's a well known fact that mass-production and industry won the war. Quantity over quality.
Regards,
Morden [/B][/QUOTE]
They were too! most of the german logistics was still horse drawn!
the side with the best logistics network wins, its a fact of warfare :)
[B]I have one thing to say about such an uneducated pile of bull pucky. I know several people...people I care a great deal for...who are in the U.S. Armed Forces, and all of whom I would consider very good and close friends. Without exception, they are all amazingly intelligent, kind and polite people. They run the gamut from programmer/system administrator/Marine rifleman to enginer/draftsman(woman)/Air Force flight navigator to US Army light infantry to US Army infantry to US Army helicopter pilot...and the list goes on.
Your comment offends me. Your continued inability to grasp the concepts and events of this world in anything other than sweeping generalities offends me. Your irrational tirades, rants and raves against all American offends me. Your inability to grasp the simple concept of tact offends me. Your complete lack of a clue and painting of all members of the US Armed Forces as trigger happy rednecks rather than the hard-working good people they tend to be...offends me. Your thoughtless insult of many of my good friends who happen to serve the country of my birth and residence to pay it back for all the freedoms they've enjoyed...offends me. To sum it up...you offend me.
That said, even though you are not of this country, I support your right to make a complete and utter jackass of yourself, time and time again. Go at it, and enjoy.
Just try actually learning something about which you speak, rather that spewing forth this uneducated garbage, next time you post. That could work wonders for your reputation here. [/B][/QUOTE]
Amen.
[B]Is this the same UN under whose auspices, UN-sponsored troops sat and just let the Srebenica (sp?) massacre happen? [/B][/QUOTE]
If I recall correctly, are not the Dutch looking at some war crimes acusations for even activly semi helping the Serbs? facilitating what was essentialy a round of up most of the male population, and then handing them over to the serbs.
Yeah, I have alot of faith in the UN.
[B]They were too! most of the german logistics was still horse drawn! [/B][/QUOTE]
That's one of my favorite quotes from "Band of Brothers", a fantastic series if you haen't seen it already. (Got the lot on DVD.)
Regards,
Morden
Trouble with that i think is that us Brits would probably just turn around and head back out there! Why? Because our armed forces are some of the best in the world!
[QUOTE]That's one of my favorite quotes from "Band of Brothers", a fantastic series if you haen't seen it already. (Got the lot on DVD.)[/QUOTE]
I would get it but as im off to uni next week, i dont think i'll be affording it any time soon:(
[B] *snip*
Just try actually learning something about which you speak, rather that spewing forth this uneducated garbage, next time you post. That could work wonders for your reputation here. [/B][/QUOTE]
Thats if anyone even bothers listening to his drivel anymore. I think he's taken the hint and gone away. (hopefully for good)
I never like to see a board member go, but frankly, Simmonds was asking for trouble. If he didn't like the response he got, that's tough, he should have expected it.
Regards,
Morden
Regards,
Morden
[B]I just had a parma ham and parmasan pizza! mmmmmm........pizzaaa!!!!!:D [/B][/QUOTE]
Heh. I had some stuffed chicken I made a couple of days ago...boneless chicken breast pounded flat and rolled with a stuffing of Italian dried sausage finely chopped, bread crumbs, garlic, egg to bind it and Italian dressing to moisten it. Then, cover it with a can of whole canned tomato and bake while covered with foil.
ever had stuffed olive leaves?........fine!!! what is it they put in them?